New forms of detecting "ban evading"

First of all, the staff hardly provides proof for ban evaders who dispute. What's the point of the dispute if your response is this (http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=912867) or (http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=912867). Seems like people aren't even reading the ban disputes, just saying no.

And also, I go to a university which has a few IP's that thousands of students connect to. So you're telling me that if one student who shares the wireless connect with the others is banned you're going to ban the entire university.

No offense but that whole method is childish and semi retarded.

Also, what if you share a public hotspot like a coffee shop or a hotel? You're telling me if a banned user at any time used that ip you can be banned for also having that ip? What if someone uses a popular proxy and a banned user has used that ip before?

This is really a terrible method, how about mac address banning?

 

makes sense. Looking forward to replys.

 

they will even vade you if you have the same isp with a similar ip...how retarded is that not every one has a different internet provider...

 

I make sure to go through the IP's to make sure they aren't proxies, VPN's or any other shared hotspots. In that particular case, however, the user has many banned accounts and he's lucky I even answered his dispute instead of archiving it.

 

You cannot ban people using their MAC addresses because it's impossible to get their MAC address in the first place over the internet. The only thing a MAC address is ever even useful for is if you are on a LAN and need to do networking. Apart from a LAN, your MAC address is impossible to know; therefore, making your suggestion near useless.

Now don't get me wrong, I do agree somewhat with your point, but I also have to believe moderators look through your entire IP history, not just at one single IP, before they take any actions against your Sythe.org account.

EDIT: Secondly, would you go on your PayPal account at a hotspot, or using a proxy? No. Then don't do it with your Sythe.org account either. Chances are nothing will happen, but if you're worried, simply don't log in while using a foreign network.

 

A non-HTTP application can use Mac banning...

Obvious ban evaders are just told to shut up since they are just wasting the staff's time.

 

So you're telling me you have a directory of all active proxies? I highly doubt, and you conveniently ignored my argument about universities and hotels.
Because, actually I just read a dispute where someone brought up the hotel argument. And it seemed as though it was overturned.
And they're lucky you answered the dispute? are you kidding are you admitting the staff ignores our disputes? Nice, thought this site took their patrons seriously. Cause Tyro's dispute was given great consideration and rules even changed for him, but when a member appeals you just ignore it. At least we have responsible mods who take of their responsibilities, oh wait....

I am very sure there is a way to track mac addresses saying otherwise is just ignorance. I am a network administrator at my job and know for a fact that argument is false in every way. I ban mac addresses recorded from our server everyday.

 

99% of the time its extremely obvious that the person is just playing stupid.

We do searches and its usually obvious whats going on.

As far as universities go it should have a .edu in the address.

 

I know for a fact that you aren't nearly intelligent enough to have a job.

edit:

Someone ban this kid, please.

 

Mac addresses take 3 seconds to change with Linux.

 

It's very easy to detect proxy IP's.

In that particular case, there was only one matching IP which had a different location from the rest of his IP's. I then asked him to provide some more details on msn and decided to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Ninety percent of the time, the evader just plays dumb even after his dispute had been denied countless times. This was one of those times.

Changing/masking MAC addresses is not hard.

 

Want an easy way to check if an IP address is a proxy? Scan it for common proxy ports. 3128, 8000, 8080, etc.

And if it has port 80 open, it's more than likely a web-based proxy. You can always open it in your browser and check.

The average user will not have these ports open on their computer, so if they are open, chances are they're a vader.

That's nice, because the router you're behind still its original mac address.

 

Yup but it's masked and trust me, quite hard to find a masked MAC.

 

Not all universities do.

 

The system isn't really bad.
I just got unbanned for being a vader.
While the dispute never went checked, skele was very helpful over msn.

 

Thanks James.

A lot of them do but some don't. I stand corrected.

 

Well, this shouldn't really matter. Every computer has an individual IP, so unless you use Sythe on a library computer where someone else has used it, you should be O.K.

Additionally, some of the global mods on this site are very good at reading IPs, and will probably make correlations between the sharing of library computers if presented with the argument.

 

The AVERAGE user, what about the abnormal user? They are just banned because most people don't have that port open?

Well that makes me feel better, I didn't think about MSN, I suppose that's easier to check than reports.

 

There are many ways to tell if an IP is a proxy with a pretty fair degree of certainty. That really isn't an issue.

 

Fair degree of certainty, so not fool proof, so not definitive evidence, I am saying 1 form of proof is not enough, when people get scammed they provide like 5 pictures at least. If you're gonna ban someone you should have more than one piece of evidence, especially since the only method used currently has flaws (admitted by the staff and you)