Chriscross23's Perm Ban

[Chriscross23 Dispute]

Ok let me begin by requesting that this is not closed/archived right away. When I was banned from Sythe the reason was because of a staff vote in the upper lounge that had 0 votes to keep me unbanned. This was before I was given any chance to argue my case or even defend myself. Since I have a chance to do this now I've spoken with a good amount of globals and a few sectionals. All of them except for a select few have been in support of a TwC and unban. I was told since three admins approved my ban I needed to get in contact with an admin which I have been desperately trying to do. I have been attempting to speak with an admin for a little over a week now. I have PMed Pen everytime he has logged in (sorry about the excessive PM's) and I have tried to contact Finn over MSN (the only two admins I know that have public MSN's). So I asked skele what my best bet would be if I had a good amount of mod support. He said to post a dispute and request that they post on this. I am here begging for a TwC/unban. I would appreciate it more than anything. Whether you believe I scammed or did not scam the question should still be asked; am I a liability to Sythe as I am now?

Let me state a few statistics to help you with this decision:

140 vouches in the past three months.

Almost 50 MM's done for free and not one of the people I MMed for complained about me.

One completed OMM application.

One trade where my lack of memory led me to admitting something I did not commit.



Edit: In my last dispute I did not use any American laws as these forums are world wide and it would not be right (I thought). But I saw in other posts people reffering to some American laws and also the supreme court. So let me bring up that this is why an adult must be present while a minor is being interrogated by the police. Because minors can be easily persuaded this way or that. (which is what was done to me).

So whether or not you personally knew me, personally disliked me, or whether we are close friends; just view this dispute and hopefully give your best judgement, if you view it please post your opinions.

Thank you for your time reading this.

 

[MegaMatt]

i support unban with TWC.

 

Chris should be unbanned with a TwC.

This was 2 years ago, I'm not surprised his memory was a bit hazy about the whole "scamming" incident. I don't think we should jump to conclusions and immediately brand him as a scammer. I believe he felt cornered and his confession to Tyro was out of desperation.

There have been no other accusations or reports of Chris causing any malice on Sythe, and I believe he has been legitimate since day one.

 

i support unban with TWC.

My opinion is the same as this.

 

[OldFinn]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If no staff have a contrary opinion, I'll do this later.

 

[Skele]

I still think your story is highly suspicious and admitting to scamming because you thought you might have done it doesn't make me want to trust you. However, there haven't been any reports or any hard evidence so I wouldn't be opposed to an unban with a TwC.

 

I still think your story is highly suspicious and admitting to scamming because you thought you might have done it doesn't make me want to trust you. However, there haven't been any reports or any hard evidence so I wouldn't be opposed to an unban with a TwC.

Well said. Agreed.

 

[Dalpra]

Unban with twc.

 

[Tgump]

I support a new staff vote with newly discovered evidence and testimony to determine whether or not he should be banned.

 

[HeavenLord]

Uncan with TWC

 

[Tgump]

Uncan with TWC

 

[Alteranz]

Undan with TWC

 

[Ryan]

I have a question.

You were banned for admitting to scamming (However long ago, doesn't matter to me). Now in your defense, you're saying you remembered that you didn't scam and use the excuse of a minor needing to be accompanied by an adult to help explain your case?

1) Take responsibility for your actions. Your mum won't register on here to defend you.
2) If you didn't scam, why did you come out and tell someone you did? Forgetting isn't good enough, you don't just forget. What made you think you did scam?
3) I'm not saying you're not trusted. I'm just saying that your actions have repercussions and this is it.

I vote to leave you banned.

This is a poor, poor dispute.

 

[Chriscross23 response]

Ryan let me say a few things first. I've spoken to most of those mods that had posted and explained everything in much greater detail.

Ok so, that night before I spoke with Tyro I was on tinychat and some people were saying I was getting banned, there was a topic, etc. I didn't think it was true but it went on for 20 minutes or so. I asked a sectional if he could confirm this and it was confirmed. I asked how bad it looked and I was told it looked like I'd be banned. 10 minutes later Tyro pmed me. In my previous dispute (Idk if you saw it or not) I provided the chat logs where I said in the conversation 3-4 times that I did recover my account but I do not remember if he recovered his first or if it was because we refunded the trade or something else. After I was banned I found as much as I could about him and the trade that lead me to believe that I was scammed before he scammed me. Also I only admitted it because Tyro faced me with the epidemic of if you admit it we might pardon you, if not I can't help you (I don't remember the exact words).

That is why I brought up the minor/adult when getting interrogated. I was simply trying to prove a point.

I only thought that I scammed because I did not remember it, also I had been told by three different people there was proof that was getting me banned.

I was already scared before Tyro even messaged me.

 

I support an unban.

 

[OldFinn]

If Ryan isn't in agreement, I too am not.

 

[Spyike]

Support Ryan's opinion. Although, I will take a close look at this member later today.

Also, think I've seen reports in the past from tmoe concerning Chris; memory fails.

 

[Pen]

Your dispute is denied.