Pot

[Deluxe 247]

Smoking marijuana is bad for your lungs, unless you have a REAL condition it shouldn't be used if you have half a brain. Why do people insist on cheap thrills when there are consequences? Probably because it's "cool".

 

[Pownage19]

I remember hearing about this, i live in Missouri and it was on the New's the next day.

 

[wtp]

Why should the government have control over what we do to our bodies? Smoking pot has a very small effect on others.

Smoking marijuana is bad for your lungs, unless you have a REAL condition it shouldn't be used if you have half a brain. Why do people insist on cheap thrills when there are consequences? Probably because it's "cool".

Smoking weed is less worse then cigarettes. Everyone knows weed is harmless.

It's a good experience to try, but I wouldn't suggest making a habit of it.

 

[RecoveryKing]

Smoking marijuana is bad for your lungs, unless you have a REAL condition it shouldn't be used if you have half a brain. Why do people insist on cheap thrills when there are consequences? Probably because it's "cool".

Other than the fact that a large part of the population has medical problems that could be treated with marijuana, why the hell do you care? Marijuana is less harmful than either alcohol or tobacco, do you consider using either of those a "cheap thrill"?

 

[mp-master]

Just dont smoke

 

[criterion]

Im not for it, or against it. Those that have seemingly dedicated their lives to defending and promoting marijuana are just as pathetic as those that rebel against it- ignorant of its impact on the human body and mind.

I think that marijuana is detrimental to progression in society and it definitely slows down most. Its also a gateway drug- this is not good. Its apparent that there are more cons then pros in this case, however i can't say that its any worse than alcohol and therefore it would make just as much sense to make it legal... that, or make alcohol ILLEGAL.

 

[RecoveryKing]

Im not for it, or against it. Those that have seemingly dedicated their lives to defending and promoting marijuana are just as pathetic as those that rebel against it- ignorant of its impact on the human body and mind.

I think that marijuana is detrimental to progression in society and it definitely slows down most. Its also a gateway drug- this is not good. Its apparent that there are more cons then pros in this case, however i can't say that its any worse than alcohol and therefore it would make just as much sense to make it legal... that, or make alcohol ILLEGAL.

Do not call others ignorant when it is obvious it is you that is. The only argument I can see in your post is that pot is supposedly a "gateway drug", but as I have already defeated that argument in this very thread I don't think I will waste any time trying to educate you. It is obviously not worth the trouble.

 

[criterion]

Do not call others ignorant when it is obvious it is you that is. The only argument I can see in your post is that pot is supposedly a "gateway drug", but as I have already defeated that argument in this very thread I don't think I will waste any time trying to educate you. It is obviously not worth the trouble.

In what way am i ignorant? There are many who are objective to marijuana and know very little about the drug. It's easy to be opposed to something- as controversial as it is when you have absolutely no personal experience with it. How can you withstand an argument based upon your own biased perspective?

I abused marijuana for years, so i am aware and was conscious of the ups and downs upon using the drug- i am not oblivious in any way.
I do believe that it is a gateway drug, perhaps it doesn't trigger the desire chemically but instead out of curiosity. I know that after a while i grew tiresome of the high i achieved with pot and lusted for something more exotic- which lead me to do mushrooms, and LSD. Don't tell me that marijuana isn't influential in ones choice to try a latter drug, ultimately i agree with most of which you've stated in this thread but i don't want to hear your propaganda.

 

[MurderTrain]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XmjNxKOQvg&feature=player_embedded

Tell me that force is warranted. Who knows how often that happens but goes unrecorded. Legalize and stop the violence. Truly an atrocity and makes one wonder what has come of this once just nation.

Why would you want it legalized? If its legalized then you will have to pay government taxes for a dimebag, what would you prefer paying $60 for 1g dimebag of shitty government weed or paying $60 5g premium mariujana?

 

[Ermky]

In what way am i ignorant? There are many who are objective to marijuana and know very little about the drug. It's easy to be opposed to something- as controversial as it is when you have absolutely no personal experience with it. How can you withstand an argument based upon your own biased perspective?

I abused marijuana for years, so i am aware and was conscious of the ups and downs upon using the drug- i am not oblivious in any way.
I do believe that it is a gateway drug, perhaps it doesn't trigger the desire chemically but instead out of curiosity. I know that after a while i grew tiresome of the high i achieved with pot and lusted for something more exotic- which lead me to do mushrooms, and LSD. Don't tell me that marijuana isn't influential in ones choice to try a latter drug, ultimately i agree with most of which you've stated in this thread but i don't want to hear your propaganda.

Alright, so just because you went on trying "harder" drugs we can all draw the conclusion that Marijuana is a gateway drug?
- Nice way of reasoning, if we would all follow your way of reasoning, there would never be a definitive answer.
I have friends who have smoked Marijuana for many years, yet they have never tried any other drugs, if you eliminate Alcohol, Nicotine and Caffeine.
Who's right?

I've seen some studies showing that Marijuana is not a gateway drug.

I read somewhere in this thread that a studie showed that 1 in ever 97 who smoked cannabis had tried Cocaine. Does that tell you something?

 

[swordman 44]

Why would you want it legalized? If its legalized then you will have to pay government taxes for a dimebag, what would you prefer paying $60 for 1g dimebag of shitty government weed or paying $60 5g premium mariujana?

The legalization of this plant would not force the persons, any of whom smoke it, to pay the governments tax.

 

[criterion]

Alright, so just because you went on trying "harder" drugs we can all draw the conclusion that Marijuana is a gateway drug?
- Nice way of reasoning, if we would all follow your way of reasoning, there would never be a definitive answer.
I have friends who have smoked Marijuana for many years, yet they have never tried any other drugs, if you eliminate Alcohol, Nicotine and Caffeine.
Who's right?

I've seen some studies showing that Marijuana is not a gateway drug.

I read somewhere in this thread that a studie showed that 1 in ever 97 who smoked cannabis had tried Cocaine. Does that tell you something?

No, that doesn't tell me anything. Of course whatever i perceive to be a gateway drug may conflict with your own beliefs- the 'studies' you've came across mean nothing to me and are of little importance fundamentally.

Growing up using marijuana with friends, and even being associated with others who smoked pot i can say that it was ESSENTIALLY the first step to a wide array of different drugs. Most, including me were uneasy smoking pot to begin with, but as time passed i among others grew more comfortable with the idea, and eventually we were complacent enough to abuse more freely and even explore with psychedelics stress-free.

Of course my opinion on the matter is subject to what i have witnessed through my own eyes. The reception I've gotten so far in this thread is quite astonishing- you respond almost offended, what are you a dope fiend? Don't tell me that this study and that study tells us this and therefore all points otherwise are invalid. Revisiting my own past i can safely pinpoint the drug that lead me to try others, this is no sad story and im not looking for sympathy as if marijuana has ruined me... im merely explaining that from the people i've been associated with in my own city- weed has most definitely been a gateway drug in the truest sense. That initial push into a world of drugs.

I haven't smoked pot for two years, although most of my roommates use it with excess. I've always been around drugs, and i've always known those who use them. I don't care about statistics.. how trivial. I gain knowledge and wisdom through real life experience, fuck your 'studies' , your reliance is primitive.

 

I will never do drugs in my case, so if anyone else wants to ruin their body step on right ahead.

 

[kill dank]

Why would you want it legalized? If its legalized then you will have to pay government taxes for a dimebag, what would you prefer paying $60 for 1g dimebag of shitty government weed or paying $60 5g premium mariujana?

you've got the taxes all wrong. it would be like $12.95 for a dime bag. $99.99 for a quarter. fucked up shit like that. people will be buying weed with change now.
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and i think criterion should stop living in the 30's with his gateway drug nonsense. :laugh: :laugh:

 

[criterion]

and i think criterion should stop living in the 30's with his gateway drug nonsense. :laugh: :laugh:

Care to go more in-depth with this statement? I don't understand the 30's reference, in fact i find your post rather ironic. You'd think that by this day and age people wouldn't be relying so much on web surveys and college group studies. I also wasn't aware that marijuana, LSD and other psychedelics were an immense issue in society throughout the 30s. You'd think people would've been more distracted by say.. the great depression?

 

[kill dank]

Care to go more in-depth with this statement? I don't understand the 30's reference, in fact i find your post rather ironic. You'd think that by this day and age people wouldn't be relying so much on web surveys and college group studies. I also wasn't aware that marijuana, LSD and other psychedelics were an immense issue in society throughout the 30s. You'd think people would've been more distracted by say.. the great depression?

in reference to the 1936 movie Reefer Madness that (falsely)claimed that even 1 puff from a marijuana cigarette would turn even the most educated man into a violent killing machine.

and care to explain the irony you saw in my post? i'm having trouble finding it

 

[criterion]

in reference to the 1936 movie Reefer Madness that (falsely)claimed that even 1 puff from a marijuana cigarette would turn even the most educated man into a violent killing machine.

and care to explain the irony you saw in my post? i'm having trouble finding it

It is evident that you've blatantly overlooked my posts, as I've strayed far away from fantasy and exaggeration and based my analysis solely on my own personal observations. Do yourself some good, go back- and actually read my explanation(s) , until then i don't need to justify myself to someone as petty as you.

Ironic, that you'd suggest that i should stop living in the 30s ... basically indicating that i am superstitious but in reality you are the one with blind confidence in what you read and not what you witness first hand.

 

[Ermky]

Growing up using marijuana with friends, and even being associated with others who smoked pot i can say that it was ESSENTIALLY the first step to a wide array of different drugs. Most, including me were uneasy smoking pot to begin with, but as time passed i among others grew more comfortable with the idea, and eventually we were complacent enough to abuse more freely and even explore with psychedelics stress-free.

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No, that doesn't tell me anything. Of course whatever i perceive to be a gateway drug may conflict with your own beliefs- the 'studies' you've came across mean nothing to me and are of little importance fundamentally.

You can't speak for everyone when you only look at if from your perspective, that's something you've got to understand. When you claim that Marijuana is a gateway drug you have to back it up with facts. Just because you ended up trying other drugs does not make it a gateway drug for everyone. That is why I criticized you in the first place.

Maybe it was a gateway drug for you, but don't claim that it is a gateway drug for everyone when you can't back it up with real facts. Your history with Marijuana does not apply to everyone who smoke pot.

Of course my opinion on the matter is subject to what i have witnessed through my own eyes. The reception I've gotten so far in this thread is quite astonishing- you respond almost offended, what are you a dope fiend?

I'm not offended, I just don't like people who claims something without backing it up with real facts.
And to answer your question, no I'm not a dope fiend.

Don't tell me that this study and that study tells us this and therefore all points otherwise are invalid. Revisiting my own past i can safely pinpoint the drug that lead me to try others, this is no sad story and im not looking for sympathy as if marijuana has ruined me... im merely explaining that from the people i've been associated with in my own city- weed has most definitely been a gateway drug in the truest sense. That initial push into a world of drugs.

I never said all other points are invalid, don't make up stuff. However you shouldn't underestimate what studies show, they're not just numbers/words written on a piece of paper, they do show something too.
Your way of reasoning does not apply to everyone who smokes pot. Not everyone tries harder drugs.

I haven't smoked pot for two years, although most of my roommates use it with excess. I've always been around drugs, and i've always known those who use them. I don't care about statistics.. how trivial. I gain knowledge and wisdom through real life experience, fuck your 'studies' , your reliance is primitive.

Again, That's from your perspective, not everyones.

Next time you say Marijuana is a gateway drugs, back it up with facts, not your history with Marijuana, it is unessential in this case.

 

[MurderTrain]

The legalization of this plant would not force the persons, any of whom smoke it, to pay the governments tax.

Lmao if weed is legalized all the drug lords/ drug cartels would turn into legit business men and would not have to sell their drugs to low-life dealers who would then sell it to the larger population. They would be importing the marijuana straight to the government and as a result most of the marijuana market will be possessed by the government which means people will have to pay the taxes or not smoke weed.

 

[criterion]

In response to Ermky.

There is no definite factor when concluding whether or not marijuana is a world-renown gateway drug. Yes, it all comes down to the individual. The way you worded your response to my initial post bewildered me as you basically sounded as if you were claiming that BECAUSE of these studies any other perspective on the matter is baseless.

Marijuana will not have the same effect on everyone, it won't have the same influence universally either. Some may come dependent on it, some may boycott the drug after an uncomfortable trip. I know that marijuana can bring out confidence and allow people to focus more, how - i do not know because i am the opposite. When i smoke pot i become self conscious, even pseudo-schizophrenic. My low self esteem disallowed me to smoke any longer.
The effect(s) it has on the individual will always vary- and so this applies to its influence on one to try harder drugs. Just because a study indicates that only x number of people moved onto cocaine after exploiting pot does not ultimately blow any other speculation out of the water. On the contrary my experiences with the drug don't comprise a definitive answer either.

Marijuana has potential to be a gateway drug to some- while others may not be affected. Lets agree on that shall we?