The Existence of God

[DropKick Murphys]

I am looking for the Athiest version of where the actual Universe came from. I understand the basic concept, but where did this original material come from?

Right now it seems like it just has always been around.

 

[Garda_de_Fier]

I think he can just exist or maybe his power if influence can just be there if you believe in him, it is something like creating yourself, or giving him power, to help you.

 

[Silver star]

No such thing, if there was I would like some evidence not some book that some PEOPLE wrote for shits and giggles.
and isn't it bizzare that people claim that god exists all because
A. Their parents told them.
B. The bible says so
C. They are scared they'll burn in hell so they might aswell believe.

 

[SuF]

I am looking for the Athiest version of where the actual Universe came from. I understand the basic concept, but where did this original material come from?

One theory I have watched a show on is basically the following... The universe is expanding right now. It will someday stop expanding and start shrinking due to gravity or something... It will keep shrinking until it is basically infinitely small, and infinitely dense basically. Then some thing will cause it to explode starting cycle all over again... One thing that they think might cause "big bangs" are other universes hitting the dense thing or what ever... I saw this show awhile ago... so i may have mis said some things....

 

[FreedomFight]

One theory I have watched a show on is basically the following... The universe is expanding right now. It will someday stop expanding and start shrinking due to gravity or something... It will keep shrinking until it is basically infinitely small, and infinitely dense basically. Then some thing will cause it to explode starting cycle all over again... One thing that they think might cause "big bangs" are other universes hitting the dense thing or what ever... I saw this show awhile ago... so i may have mis said some things....

The ACCELERATION of the universe outwards has been debunking this so-called oscillating universe theory.

 

[FreedomFight]

All right, fair enough, let's scratch super-natural from that definition.

What's left then?

 

[Shredderbeam]

The ACCELERATION of the universe outwards has been debunking this so-called oscillating universe theory.

We don't know that this acceleration is permanent.

What's left then?

A powerful, intelligent being that exists in reality. Other attributes can be added or subtracted at will.

 

[gamerz_grimm]

No, I don't. I also feel that that's a rather ridiculous question to ask. An invisible man in the sky, who thinks, and watches what we do? What a preposterous notion! I mean, is there any empirical evidence to support this view? I think not!

although i agree with you shredderbeam i do not belive in god
but i do not belive in him just because hes " an invisible man in the sky "
i belive that there is NO higher being then us as humans and {naturally} we are just scared of death and want to belive that there is life after death. in some ways i can belive that we do have sprits / ghosts. because of how strong are mind and spirit is its hard to belive that it can just stop out of nowhere and just be done with.
so all in all i dont belive in god but i somewhat belive in life after death. not just heaven or hell

 

[SuF]

We don't know that this acceleration is permanent.

Yea.. Thats what the theory I am talking about says... That the acceleration will slow and eventually reverse... And start sucking everything back in......

 

[Shredderbeam]

although i agree with you shredderbeam i do not belive in god
but i do not belive in him just because hes " an invisible man in the sky "
i belive that there is NO higher being then us as humans and {naturally} we are just scared of death and want to belive that there is life after death. in some ways i can belive that we do have sprits / ghosts. because of how strong are mind and spirit is its hard to belive that it can just stop out of nowhere and just be done with.
so all in all i dont belive in god but i somewhat belive in life after death. not just heaven or hell

Well of course it's difficult to imagine nonexistence when the only thing that you have any experience of is existence - but how would that imply an afterlife?

 

[gamerz_grimm]

i just belive the spirit in our body is too strong to just " die " as our body may die are mind and spirit could live on.

 

[Shredderbeam]

i just belive the spirit in our body is too strong to just " die " as our body may die are mind and spirit could live on.

There is no spirit, though. All of the data that we have indicates that our consciousness is a result of our brain's structure, not some undying ghost in the machine.

 

[Silver star]

i just believe the spirit in our body is too strong to just " die " as our body may die are mind and spirit could live on.

Listen to yourself for a minute and reflect on what you wrote...you believe? you believe that there are spirits in our body given by god almighty. You sound like a small child who wont let go the idea of Santa Claus being real, "oh I do believe Santa is real, he gives me presents every year, how else can you explain it? it's Santa alright".
Religion like you said is nothing more than a belief, you believe that there is a God..you cant prove it rationally but yah you believe it, if you look at it with common sense u'll see. Dont let religion blind you to the point that you would believe a book over your eyes and brains.

 

[FreedomFight]

We don't know that this acceleration is permanent.

Well, supposedly the universe's expansion should be slowing down, if it was ejected at high velocity, and gravity is the force acting upon it. Instead, it is ACCELERATING, which means that gravity is not the dominant force. And it's negative feedback, the greater the distance, the lesser the effect of gravity.

The oscillating universe theory was once popular, but now seen as quite unlikely by modern physicists and cosmologists - the current estimation of the universe's mass would have to be greater by a factor of 10 for the "Big Crunch" to be feasible again.

A powerful, intelligent being that exists in reality. Other attributes can be added or subtracted at will.

Seems vague. After taking out the "supernatural" part, it seems like God can be attributed to quite a bundle of "beings". Perhaps a clear definition should be reconciled?

 

[Try and run]

God does exist, I have no religion, I COULD perfectly explain how god exists but Im not going to waste my time explaining it then having to RE-explain it to those who dont get what Im saying.

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[Silver star]

God does exist, I have no religion, I COULD perfectly explain how god exists but Im not going to waste my time explaining it then having to RE-explain it to those who dont get what Im saying.

Go ahead, explain your logical theory of why God exists. you dont have to retype it, just do it once so I can verbally obliterate you or if you have already written it down somewhere, give me a link.
99.99% sure he will answer something along the lines of....
1. I wont bother explaining it to you because your stupid.
2. I dont feel like typing, google the evidence
3. he just wont respond.

 

[DropKick Murphys]

God does exist, I have no religion, I COULD perfectly explain how god exists but Im not going to waste my time explaining it then having to RE-explain it to those who dont get what Im saying.

You will learn all this and more when you read my new book, You can lead an Atheist to evidence but you can't make him think

Thanks and have a good night,
Ray Comfort.

 

[Silver star]

You will learn all this and more when you read my new book, You can lead an Atheist to evidence but you can't make him think

Thanks and have a good night,
Ray Comfort.

Then please oh please, give me some evidence that does not include a old book written by MEN who were drunk off their ass and thought it would be funny to take a shit on you.
They are probably laughing in their grave's right now.

I on the other hand CAN and HAVE provided evidence he does not exist. Your turn to explain your theory Geico gecko.

 

[DropKick Murphys]

Then please oh please, give me some evidence that does not include a old book written by MEN who were drunk off their ass and thought it would be funny to take a shit on you.
They are probably laughing in their grave's right now.

I on the other hand CAN and HAVE provided evidence he does not exist. Your turn to explain your theory Geico gecko.

Here's a piece of evidence by two wonderfully intelligent and charismatic men:

[youtube]2z-OLG0KyR4[/youtube]

 

[Shredderbeam]

Well, supposedly the universe's expansion should be slowing down, if it was ejected at high velocity, and gravity is the force acting upon it. Instead, it is ACCELERATING, which means that gravity is not the dominant force. And it's negative feedback, the greater the distance, the lesser the effect of gravity.

Yes, there is another force acting on it, but we don't know that that force won't decay into the future, or be superseded by another.

The oscillating universe theory was once popular, but now seen as quite unlikely by modern physicists and cosmologists - the current estimation of the universe's mass would have to be greater by a factor of 10 for the "Big Crunch" to be feasible again.

If and only if the factor causing the expansion is a permanent one, yes.

Seems vague. After taking out the "supernatural" part, it seems like God can be attributed to quite a bundle of "beings". Perhaps a clear definition should be reconciled?

Fine, just stick back in the supernatural part and we'll start from there. We can move onto other definitions afterwards.

God does exist, I have no religion, I COULD perfectly explain how god exists but Im not going to waste my time explaining it then having to RE-explain it to those who dont get what Im saying.

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Can you explain it anyway?