Rape-X Anti-Rape Female-Condom

[Shredderbeam]

That link proves your opinion is your opinion.

Do you understand axiomatic arguments? If every point in the argument is an axiom, then it is unassailable.

They are completely separate, a logic is making the right and best decision; logic is morally ambiguous. Logic exists with or without humans.

Logic is a means of removing contradictions from your thoughts. Morality is how a man should live his life.

Morality is decisions based on ethics. Ethics is based on human belief of what is correct ethically, which, in turn, means that it is non-existent outside of the human world. Completely separate.

Morality is not based upon common preference.

 

[wtp]

first of all, there are similar devices withoutthe same name, such as femdefence which is actually more brutal, aswell as how does it protect the women, seeing as the man will excell in agression if he gets his penis damaged from puhtting it into the girl. aswell as we can sue for anything even murder does that mean we sould support something that may harm someone, just because on the bright side we can always sue?

It is a mean of self defense, if a man had one of those on his penis and could still fight he would not be that much of a man.

Sure it could hurt someone just as a car or a gun could, but it is for self defense not to kill people.

 

[antchak]

Do you understand axiomatic arguments? If every point in the argument is an axiom, then it is unassailable.

Logic is a means of removing contradictions from your thoughts. Morality is how a man should live his life.

Morality is not based upon common preference.

- Of course I understand what an axiomatic argument is; what I fail to understand is how it relates to the anti rape device.

- No it is not.

Originally posted by www.dictionary.com
The science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.

That means making the correct choice based on the facts presented, whether or not it is ethical. Morality is not how a man (or woman for that matter) should live his life, morality is the values that affect how we make decisions, based on individual conscience.

- Wrong. If you said killing is right, and it coincided with what you considered moral, it is still immoral. Morality is, in essence, a democracy. What is moral is based on what society believes is moral, not on what Shredderbeam believes is moral.

 

[Shredderbeam]

- Of course I understand what an axiomatic argument is; what I fail to understand is how it relates to the anti rape device.

The axiomatic argument demonstrates how morality has a logical basis.

That means making the correct choice based on the facts presented, whether or not it is ethical.

No, that would be reason. Logic investigates principles. In this situation, the relevant definition of principle is:

a fundamental, primary, or general law or truth from which others are derived

Logic investigates the principles of a particular area (say, philosophy), and determines whether or not they are coherent, whether they integrate into other aspects of the person's worldview, and so on.

Morality is not how a man (or woman for that matter) should live his life, morality is the values that affect how we make decisions, based on individual conscience.

Allow me to clarify: Morality concerns how a man should act towards others, not how he should act in general.

- Wrong. If you said killing is right, and it coincided with what you considered moral, it is still immoral. Morality is, in essence, a democracy. What is moral is based on what society believes is moral, not on what Shredderbeam believes is moral.

You contradict yourself:

"morality is the values that affect how we make decisions, based on individual conscience."

"- Wrong. If you said killing is right, and it coincided with what you considered moral, it is still immoral. Morality is, in essence, a democracy."

Which is it?

Morality concerns how a man should act towards others. It is based upon logical deduction, and is independent of majority opinion.

 

[Blue Summer]

You guys are missing a vital piece of puzzle.

What if a man were to take these anti-rape condoms, flip it inside out and put it on his willy? That's like anti-rape on the guys side right?

Let's see a bitch hop on a spiked barb covered weewee.

 

[antchak]

The axiomatic argument demonstrates how morality has a logical basis.

No, that would be reason. Logic investigates principles. In this situation, the relevant definition of principle is:

Logic investigates the principles of a particular area (say, philosophy), and determines whether or not they are coherent, whether they integrate into other aspects of the person's worldview, and so on.

Allow me to clarify: Morality concerns how a man should act towards others, not how he should act in general.

You contradict yourself:

"morality is the values that affect how we make decisions, based on individual conscience."

"- Wrong. If you said killing is right, and it coincided with what you considered moral, it is still immoral. Morality is, in essence, a democracy."

Which is it?

Morality concerns how a man should act towards others. It is based upon logical deduction, and is independent of majority opinion.

- Morality does not have a logical basis; perhaps in some circumstances logic can be applied to help make moral choices, but logic is otherwise a tool.

- No, reason is used in the application of logic. Your definition is almost exactly what I have been preaching logic's definition is.

- Yes.

- Now allow me to clarify: Making your decisions based upon your values is a factor. A choice I make is not necessarily the same choice you would make in an identical situation. Our moral values affect how we act.

Now moral standards are also held by so called "civilized" society. If you make a decision you consider moral, but society holds immoral, then society will override you. My first point was morality affects our decisions, my second is that the world has moral standards.

- Yes, that is what I have been saying. Moral decisions are independent of majority opinion, but moral standards are set by society, regardless of whether or not you consider your decision morally correct.

Perhaps you are the only person, but you do not derive moral decisions from logic. That is how a robot thinks. Perhaps if someone is going to ruin my life, and I would die by that action, say he ruined me financially and I was on the streets. If I killed him I would get my money back (just for the sake of an example). It is logical to kill him. It is immoral. Separate. Logic is unfeeling. Morality is feelings. Separate.

 

[Lizzle]

I agree with it being released.
I mean I would hope that it would reduce the chance of women getting raped and not to be used for revenge.

 

[Shredderbeam]

- Morality does not have a logical basis; perhaps in some circumstances logic can be applied to help make moral choices, but logic is otherwise a tool.

Morality is based on the concept of rights. A violation of one's rights is immoral, whereas acting in accordance with one's rights can be said to be moral. Rights are logically derived, as I demonstrated above.

- No, reason is used in the application of logic. Your definition is almost exactly what I have been preaching logic's definition is.

I did not define reason.

You gave a definition of logic, then stated: "That means making the correct choice based on the facts presented". That is not logic, that is reason.

- Now allow me to clarify: Making your decisions based upon your values is a factor. A choice I make is not necessarily the same choice you would make in an identical situation. Our moral values affect how we act.

Actual morality is objective. One may feel that a given action is immoral, but such a feeling can be irrational. Example: A man might feel that crushing a small pebble is immoral, but objectively, this is not so. The man has an irrational view.

Now moral standards are also held by so called "civilized" society. If you make a decision you consider moral, but society holds immoral, then society will override you. My first point was morality affects our decisions, my second is that the world has moral standards.

Ah, very well then.

- Yes, that is what I have been saying. Moral decisions are independent of majority opinion, but moral standards are set by society, regardless of whether or not you consider your decision morally correct.

There are standards that society sets up, enforces, and calls moral, but they are not actually moral.

Perhaps if someone is going to ruin my life, and I would die by that action, say he ruined me financially and I was on the streets. If I killed him I would get my money back (just for the sake of an example). It is logical to kill him. It is immoral. Separate. Logic is unfeeling. Morality is feelings. Separate.

Killing a man preemptively is logical? Are you arguing from the point of the killer, that it is rational for him to act in his own self-interest?

 

[Ganzta-Freak]

I think they should make it rather.. Safe.
Like, not cutting the fucking thing off, just giving a shock by electricity or something. This is just sick. Of course, it's sick to rape too, but getting "it" cut off?

 

[Fury's Punisher]

I think they should make it rather.. Safe.
Like, not cutting the fucking thing off, just giving a shock by electricity or something. This is just sick. Of course, it's sick to rape too, but getting "it" cut off?

I agree with Ganzta, it should just like knock them out and let the victim go tell the police or someone. It shouldn't just cut it off.

 

[MatthewGor123]

I think they should make it rather.. Safe.
Like, not cutting the fucking thing off, just giving a shock by electricity or something. This is just sick. Of course, it's sick to rape too, but getting "it" cut off?

IT DOESN'T FUCKING CUT IT OFF. For fuck's sake, just read the FAQ on the site before posting stupid bullshit like this. It doesn't cause ANY PERMANENT DAMAGE.

 

[kyocera]

no but if it were it should be noticeable that it was there so if they were trying to get revenge, of some sort, the guy wouldn't stick his dick in there.

Ha that would suck if mine got cut off.
and hurt like hell lol.

 

[MatthewGor123]

no but if it were it should be noticeable that it was there so if they were trying to get revenge, of some sort, the guy wouldn't stick his dick in there.

Ha that would suck if mine got cut off.
and hurt like hell lol.

Oh yeah, great idea - have it perfectly noticeable, so the rapist can easily remove it. That's brilliant!

And it DOESN'T FUCKING GET CUT OFF.

 

[antchak]

I'm officially leaving this thread; no one will give ground and I'm sure that won;t change. Good fun though. Last point: This devices success rate will be low but there is no reason women shouldn't be allowed to buy it if they like. Now I'm out.

 

[Paul.]

Rapists would then anally rape?

 

[Shredderbeam]

I'm officially leaving this thread; no one will give ground and I'm sure that won;t change. Good fun though. Last point: This devices success rate will be low but there is no reason women shouldn't be allowed to buy it if they like. Now I'm out.

Ok, as long as you understand that morality has a basis in individual rights, which have a rational basis.

 

[antchak]

Ok, as long as you understand that morality has a basis in individual rights, which have a rational basis.

Exactly! But as far as objective morality having a base in logic, we must agree to disagree. Let's just hop to Sythe's thread and argue about capitalism and socialism, against thequestionmark

 

[333]

wouldn't the penis be stuck? also... what if the girl was drunk and going to have sex with her husband/boyfriend? and one more thing... if the machine is in her and there is a blade, wouldn't her vagina be bleeding/cut up?

 

[sh00tinhoopz]

this would stop rapes, but, could it possibly hurt the women, and even if he does, its fucking inhumane, what if her boy friend wans to fuck her, does she take it out, and if she can take it out, why wouldnt the rapist just tkae it out

 

[Repentless]

I can see where this could cause a lot of problems, but it's their own body. I pity the poor guy who has sex with her when she's drunk and forgets she's wearing it.