mans not hoot

Scammer's Profile Link: @mans not hoot

How they scammed: I purchased a transfer method from @mans not hoot, and I made it crystal clear that I would only buy this on certain conditions. I have a video recording of the entire discord chat if a mod needs it.

The terms were stated in discord + a Sythe PM was sent (https://i.imgur.com/fPQk2YA.png), but the pm was in regards to the method working how he advertised it and not selling it to others. We talked for a couple hours in discord and the biggest factor for me in purchasing it was that it couldn't be patched because he said its a coding thing in 'Inspect Element', that it's been around for years and can't be patched. Otherwise I wouldn't of paid 300m because I had my own method that worked just as good if a half a second slower. The "unpatchable" guarantee was the sole reason i purchased it and mods can see the full convo if requested.

Terms discussed in discord + Sythe PM:
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1.) Being able to double name change to the same name and then grab the rare name being transferred
- I tested this and it worked so we were good there.

2.) That there's no way it can be patched since according to him (since hes been a big coder since he was 13)
- Literally the day after he sold it to me, it gets patched -_- He guaranteed it wouldn't get patched, that the chance was 0%.
https://i.imgur.com/PnbaBOW.png
https://i.imgur.com/HaACAKr.png
https://i.imgur.com/OAIPUCi.png

He pm's me this morning randomly this:
https://i.imgur.com/XMCr0Kq.png (Maybe he was joking/probably was but idk that for sure).

I immediately go check to see that the method still works and find out it doesn't
https://i.imgur.com/D6HxIuU.png

All around sketchy.

3.) That he wouldn't sell it to anyone else if I bought it.
- It's been one day since I purchased this method before it was patched lol, so he hasn't sold it to anyone I'm aware of.

Although..... He said if I didn't buy it he'd just mass sell it because he's down 20b at the arena with 50$ in his bank account. But would settle with only 300m to just me if I bought it then and there on the spot with all these guarantees.
https://i.imgur.com/kEaFYzA.png
(Requested removed by @mans not hoot) ~ Mods can see ~
https://i.imgur.com/g6O6AUs.png

He said if I didn't buy it he'd just mass sell it because he's down 20b at the arena with 50$ in his bank account. But would settle with only 300m to just me if I bought it then and there on the spot with all these guarantees.

Proof of Payment: https://i.imgur.com/JvKfmbU.png

He was pounding into me that his method was god-tier and my method was "dog-shit." At first he said he'd sell for 250m or he'd sell it to everyone he can smh, then said let me go see if any others would pay more, to saying, 300m right now and its yours. With the guarantee that it couldn't be patched because its been around "forever". And 1 day later it gets patched. Super annoyed. I would like to be re-paid back my 300m.
I gave him a chance to fix this by figuring out a way to still do the method. Even offered him to refund partial. But he declined. So I'm making this report because all his talk and guarantees of it not being patchable; "0%" "It's been around for years" "It can't be patched" "You're worrying to much" ... Then 1 day later it's patched. Some bs.

Thanks for reading.. Super annoyed.

@King @Wortel @Gen @Charlotte @video

 

[Gucci]

Hi.
I would like to start off by adding, that I think this report has a very carefully selected, and one-sided view of pictures, to throw shade on my name.

I've sold a method to Devil, as mentioned, as the only person. This method uses principles that has been around for a very long time. Thats why I've said in those pictures, that there is no chance it will get patched. These statements are a very little piece of our 5 hour long conversation, as to why it didn't really hit me that it mattered.




Devil clearly states that I'm trying to "extort" him to buy my method, as I'm the bad guy who pushes it on him, although he had shown very clear interest and thats why I gave him the offer I did.

Also seen here:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/281964047728115713/491657625046482945/unknown.png

Also Devil had some very clear conditions to this trade, as show on the picture:
Imgur

I think the report in general is invalid. He never put emphasis on unpatchable being a condition other than asking if it were, as to where my replies come into play (which I still stand by)

Here's what Devil really did put emphasis on though:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/281964047728115713/491657168605413376/unknown.png





At last I'd like to add that, theres no way to prove if Devil would go as far as sending a tip to Jagex about this method, to keep his original method as the only one. Which would put me at loss as I also used this method.

This is all speculation, but Devil has before lied and tried to deceive, as far as methods goes, he wants to be the only one knowing how to transfer. I can show this to a staff member if needed.

I really liked Devil but lately his true colors has been showing, as to why I can't do anything but shake my head at this report. Sad to end a friendship this way.

 

1.) It felt like an extortion, as you said if I don't buy it you'd sell it to multiple people.
2.) The fact of you guaranteeing it not being patchable, i trusted you on that as you stated how much experience you had as a coder. So we moved on from that to the other terms because I trusted your judgement and your factual statements of it not being a method that can be patched.
3.) Your argument (if it can be called one) that i would pay 300m for sole rights to a method, then tip jagex off is quite funny. You think i just wanted to lose 300m huh. Makes total sense.
[12/09] Character Name Changing *Resolved*
This patch came out today by jagex, and is the reason it was patched more than likely. But it shouldn't have been with the guarantees you made on several occasions that was the only reason we continued our conversation on the sale. IF you had said it could be patched. There would have been no more terms or discussion because i wouldn't of purchased it.

At last I'd like to add that, theres no way to prove if Devil would go as far as sending a tip to Jagex about this method, to keep his original method as the only one. Which would put me at loss as I also used this method.

Based off this amazing argument of me wanting to lose 300m, how do we then not know that you didn't sell the method after you sold it to me and those people tipped it off. As you said, you were going to sell it to anyone and everyone you could if i didnt buy it. Maybe you did. Irrelevant to the case because it's not something that can be proven. The facts are in pictures and guarantees made in text by you. That were desperate guarantees because you just lost everything at the arena.

And when you're asking me for my methods on transferring, why would I tell you ? And there are several people that know how to transfer in a multitude of ways.

Devil has before lied and tried to deceive, as far as methods goes, he wants to be the only one knowing how to transfer. I can show this to a staff member if needed.

Show it. I would love to see my lies and deceit lmfao. Me not wanting to share with you my methods is smart business. You asking questions to try and get answers and hints out of me. And my answers to you would probably be lies because I wouldn't tell you my methods. Nor sell them and make guarantees I wasn't sure of.

Also irrelevant to the fact you guaranteed something several times with all your experience in coding and creating RATS/malware. The conversation wouldn't have continued if you would have said it can be patched. You were saying anything and everything to get me to buy it because you were desperate for GP because you lost 20b & had 50$ to your name. You should't have guaranteed something in a sale if you cant face the consequences when those guarantees aren't met and were false.

 

[Gucci]

1.) It felt like an extortion, as you said if I don't buy it you'd sell it to multiple people.
2.) The fact of you guaranteeing it not being patchable, i trusted you on that as you stated how much experience you had as a coder. So we moved on from that to the other terms because I trusted your judgement and your factual statements of it not being a method that can be patched.
3.) Your argument (if it can be called one) that i would pay 300m for sole rights to a method, then tip jagex off is quite funny. You think i just wanted to lose 300m huh. Makes total sense.
[12/09] Character Name Changing *Resolved*
This patch came out today by jagex, and is the reason it was patched more than likely. But it shouldn't have been with the guarantees you made on several occasions that was the only reason we continued our conversation on the sale. IF you had said it could be patched. There would have been no more terms or discussion because i wouldn't of purchased it.


Based off this amazing argument of me wanting to lose 300m, how do we then not know that you didn't sell the method after you sold it to me and those people tipped it off. As you said, you were going to sell it to anyone and everyone you could if i didnt buy it. Maybe you did. Irrelevant to the case because it's not something that can be proven. The facts are in pictures and guarantees made in text by you. That were desperate guarantees because you just lost everything at the arena.

And when you're asking me for my methods on transferring, why would I tell you ? And there are several people that know how to transfer in a multitude of ways.


Show it. I would love to see my lies and deceit lmfao. Me not wanting to share with you my methods is smart business. You asking questions to try and get answers and hints out of me. And my answers to you would probably be lies because I wouldn't tell you my methods. Nor sell them and make guarantees I wasn't sure of.

Also irrelevant to the fact you guaranteed something several times with all your experience in coding and creating RATS/malware. The conversation wouldn't have continued if you would have said it can be patched. You were saying anything and everything to get me to buy it because you were desperate for GP because you lost 20b & had 50$ to your name. You should't have guaranteed something in a sale if you cant face the consequences when those guarantees aren't met and were false.

You've said I was sketchy all along, said that you didn't believe I wouldn't sell to others, why wouldn't you want a method that could harm your business out of the way?

You didn't even want to talk about your method, even after you had bought mine, which was clearly superior.

Also, my method exposed your lies:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/281964047728115713/491668028828680233/unknown.png

 

What lie ? When Jagex fixed their name change system i didnt know how to get to the 2nd confirm screen with a name that isnt available. Which was true, you couldnt. That isnt a lie what are you talking about lmao

 

Here's a vid of my "lie" lol.... You couldnt get to the 2nd screen with a name that isn't available. Get your facts straight.
(Pvt)

I'm done replying until a mod responds. Sick of going back n forth with you. It goes nowhere and nothing logical or productive comes out of it lol

 

[Gucci]

What lie ? When Jagex fixed their name change system i didnt know how to get to the 2nd confirm screen with a name that isnt available. Which was true, you couldnt. That isnt a lie what are you talking about lmao

Which was true, you couldnt.
Well, according to my method, you could.

You also tried to pursuade me into giving you my method for free, for a whole day. Acting pathetic using claims as missing insurance on medicine, as a reason for me to be a bad person, if I didn't just give it to you. You're deceitful and manipulative.

 

Which was true, you couldnt.
Well, according to my method, you could.

You also tried to pursuade me into giving you my method for free, for a whole day. Acting pathetic using insurance on medicine, as a reason for me being a bad person, if I didn't just give it to you. You're deceitful and manipulative.

You're a shit person and that's a fact. You just use people. You tried to extort me to buy your method for 250m then 300m or youd sell to anyone and everyone. Then had the audacity to ask for mine for free? You're a pos and it's obvious. Goodbye forever scum.

 

[Gucci]

You're a shit person and that's a fact. You just use people. You tried to extort me to buy your method for 250m then 300m or youd sell to anyone and everyone. Then had the audacity to ask for mine for free? You're a pos and it's obvious. Goodbye forever scum.

 

[Gucci]

I'd like to add this before I go to bed, to show Devils manipulative sociopathic behaviour.

Devil turning against me as I've found a way to transfer that's better than his
- this changes quickly at the bottom though, as he starts begging me to tell him:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/281964047728115713/491749787389919233/unknown.png


The manipulating starts, Devil tries to use me to get my method for free, as shown here:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/281964047728115713/491750246020415488/unknown.png


I call him out on it and he starts trying to victimize himself, its shown here that I'm simply giving him an offer to buy it - no extortion:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/281964047728115713/491750747994587147/unknown.png


Also I thought I'd show that Devil tries to imply that half of these claims made by me,
was made before the trade and was settled in the agreement, when they weren't:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/281964047728115713/491748966195658762/unknown.png


I'm signing off for tonight - hope the right decision gets made in this case.

 

[Champ]

- Literally the day after he sold it to me, it gets patched -_- He guaranteed it wouldn't get patched, that the chance was 0%.
https://i.imgur.com/PnbaBOW.png
https://i.imgur.com/HaACAKr.png
https://i.imgur.com/OAIPUCi.png

- You as a seller are responsible for making responsible decisions / not insane statements such as this. You mentioned that this would never be patched, can you show proof of doing this method for years? If not, it looks as if you saw an easy way to scam.

He pm's me this morning randomly this:
https://i.imgur.com/XMCr0Kq.png (Maybe he was joking/probably was but idk that for sure).

- Not even sure how this can be a joke / even remotely funny? You sold the method, and then bring this up and it just so happen to be fixed?

I have DNT'd you until this is resolved.

 

All irrelevant.

This is literally the first pm i get about him wanting to sell me this method as showin in the op
https://i.imgur.com/kEaFYzA.png

You guaranteed something several times.
https://i.imgur.com/PnbaBOW.png
https://i.imgur.com/HaACAKr.png
https://i.imgur.com/OAIPUCi.png

Because you were deperate for gp. You shouldnt of promised something and guarantee something.

All about it being patchable and him guaranteeing it there, and several times later on. If he had said at the start of the conversation it could be patched, i wouldnt of bought it and we wouldnt of continued conversing about it. Literally the first thing you say is "it cant get patched" then later on say 0% chance. Screenies are in op.

This was a deal, and you didn't keep your end of the bargain. You guaranteed something without a shadow of a doubt that proved to not be true.

 

[Gucci]

- You as a seller are responsible for making responsible decisions / not insane statements such as this. You mentioned that this would never be patched, can you show proof of doing this method for years? If not, it looks as if you saw an easy way to scam.



- Not even sure how this can be a joke / even remotely funny? You sold the method, and then bring this up and it just so happen to be fixed?

I have DNT'd you until this is resolved.

Thats just my personality, I make jokes, this was bad timing.

it looks as if you saw an easy way to scam

Please read the latest post I made, I think you missed it as I made it while you read up on the whole case. This guy BEGGED me to get this method, I never pushed it onto him.

 

[Champ]

Thats just my personality, I make jokes, this was bad timing.

This isn't a joke when dealing with other's money.

You have been DNT'd until this has been discussed / resolved with the staff team.

Anyone who post irrelevant comments that do not add to this report, will be infracted.

 

[Gucci]

All irrelevant.

This is literally the first pm i get about him wanting to sell me this method as showin in the op
https://i.imgur.com/kEaFYzA.png

You guaranteed something several times.
https://i.imgur.com/PnbaBOW.png
https://i.imgur.com/HaACAKr.png
https://i.imgur.com/OAIPUCi.png

Because you were deperate for gp. You shouldnt of promised something and guarantee something.

All about it being patchable and him guaranteeing it there, and several times later on. If he had said at the start of the conversation it could be patched, i wouldnt of bought it and we wouldnt of continued conversing about it. Literally the first thing you say is "it cant get patched" then later on say 0% chance. Screenies are in op.

This was a deal, and you didn't keep your end of the bargain. You guaranteed something without a shadow of a doubt that proved to not be true.

Again, you're using messages from after the money had been paid. I was not desperately trying to tell you sweet little lies, I was saying what I thought straight up.

 

[Champ]

@mans not hoot You are responsible for the refund, and will remain DNT'd until the refund has been given to @Devil

 

The first message when you came to me trying to sell me this method: https://i.imgur.com/kEaFYzA.png

If you had said, it could be patched. We wouldn't of continued talking. Me guilt tripping you the day before to tell me the method has nothing to do with the next day, when you approached me September 16th, and offered to sell it to me. Im done posting. This is so clear cut. You made guarantees several times before payment. And after payment. 1 day later its patched.

Done posting now. Ty for handling @Champ

 

[Gucci]

Send me proof of you using this method for years.

I mean, changing values on websites to manipulate the code isn't something new. It's been around since the start of the internet. And I think its weird how it gets patched the day after I sell the method to Devil.

 

[Champ]

I mean, changing values on websites to manipulate the code isn't something new. It's been around since the start of the internet. And I think its weird how it gets patched the day after I sell the method to Devil.

@mans not hoot You are responsible for the refund, and will remain DNT'd until the refund has been given to @Devil

 

[Gucci]

Tbh. I can already see where this is heading and I'd just like to apologize to Devil. I truly liked you and you were a close friend to me. I just truly don't believe I have done anything wrong in this case. It fucking sucks that the method got patched, and how it happened, I have no clue. This, I'm very sorry for.

I wish you the best in your future, I truly do. And I hope that you understand my point of view just a *tiny* bit.

I'm just a small fish, swimming in a shark tank on this site and can't let people use me like you've tried to the last couple days. Although I will look back at you like the friend you were to me.

No hard feelings

If this means I will get banned, I accept that.

@Champ @Devil I'm sorry.