Elite Ranks Dice bot provably (not) fair v4

[Dorkinator]

You know you've done this a bit when the thread title is auto filling.

I'd like to stop opening these but they're still continuing to promote their services that aren't provably fair as provably fair. Also having to open 4 scam reports for the same reason clearly alludes to them doing this either maliciously or because they're incompetent. At this point I would hope that they actually receive a DNT because they're clearly okay with deceiving their betters and at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they're rigging their bots in a subtle way. It's also important to mention that their dicebot was provably fair after Carbon opened the first scam report and some time after the fact they removed that feature.

They're falsely advertising their services on Sythe again, and still haven't made changes to their site to make it provably fair after committing to doing it like a month ago.

https://i.imgur.com/JKNzPj3.png

Elite Ranks Dice bot provably (not) fair v3
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@Owner

 

[Pendulum]

@Dorkinator - I have sent you a message on Discord: Blue#8012 (Unique ID: 126124901537939456)

 

Had a talk with @Pendulum showed few examples of how the provably fair works on the site. I don't see any issues also waiting on @Pendulum to accept my friend request so he can talk directly with the developer.

If there is anything that's wrong it will be fixed ASAP.

~ Elite Ranks

 

[Dorkinator]

Had a talk with @Pendulum showed few examples of how the provably fair works on the site. I don't see any issues also waiting on @Pendulum to accept my friend request so he can talk directly with the developer.

If there is anything that's wrong it will be fixed ASAP.

~ Elite Ranks

It'd be helpful if you posted how the provably fair implementation works somewhere where people can actually validate it, because your discord's verification process is completely empty and the verification process shown on your site, paraphrased from Provably Fair explanation - DiceSites.com doesn't work at all either. Literally go through the process on your site with a bet and see if you can generate the correct rolls for the inputs displayed on the site. This is integral to being provably fair, and none of the services you're including in the advertisement meet this lowest of bars.

Side not, the roulette you offer probably isn't provably fair and I don't think the poker software offered by poker mavens is provably fair.

 

It'd be helpful if you posted how the provably fair implementation works somewhere where people can actually validate it, because your discord's verification process is completely empty and the verification process shown on your site, paraphrased from Provably Fair explanation - DiceSites.com doesn't work at all either. Literally go through the process on your site with a bet and see if you can generate the correct rolls for the inputs displayed on the site. This is integral to being provably fair, and none of the services you're including in the advertisement meet this lowest of bars.

Side not, the roulette you offer probably isn't provably fair and I don't think the poker software offered by poker mavens is provably fair.

Discord and website are two separate things we are advertising provably fair for website Dice as you can see here in this picture http://prntscr.com/ku9ibo .

I have added @Pendulum to the group chat with website developer so they can check if there are any issues.

 

I've been helping out @Pendulum with this problem and we have conducted several tests, I'd like to point out what what the results of these tests where:

Spoiler: Elite Ranks Not provably fair system | WARNING lots of text

Elite Ranks not provably fair system

Elite ranks website “verification” tab:

Spoiler: Website verification tab

The here link leads to:
Provably Fair explanation - DiceSites.com
where there is a full explanation of how to verify your bets.

Also important to note is that in this information they state they use hmac-sha256 (this is used in the verifying of the bets).


Test bet:

The test bet used is done by sythe mod “Pendulum” (discord: Blue#8012, unique ID: 126124901537939456).

Spoiler: Test bet info Pendulum

Verifying a bet:

To verify the test bet we will be using these open source tools:
Free Online HMAC Generator / Checker Tool (MD5, SHA-256, SHA-512) - FreeFormatter.com
-> This tool will change the client seed into a “secret key”
hexadecimal conversion, convert decimal to hexadecimal
-> This tool will change the secret key from Hexadecimal into a decimal number

We will then calculate the hexadecimal number into the rolled number with the following formule:
X%(10000)/100
“X” here being the decimal number we will have as outcome.

The formule and method can be found on the following link:

Provably Fair explanation - DiceSites.com

This link is also used by elite ranks and also by noticeable other big dicing website such as “PrimeDice” & “SafeDice”, they are all noted at the bottom of the webpage.


Verifying our test bet:

Step 1: our personal seed:

Spoiler: SHA256 transfer into hexadecimal

From this result we will only be using the first 5 digits from the “computed HMAC”: 5fbb0

This will be used to make our decimal number in the following step.

Step 2: From hexadecimal to decimal:

Spoiler: From hexadecimal to decimal

The decimal number is: 392112
This number will now be put in the formula to calculate the number we should have rolled, if all is correct this should match 40.76 as that was the test roll.

Step 3: The formula:

X%(10000)/100

392112%(10000)/100= 21.12
this does NOT match the number Elite Ranks generated.



Double checking:

To completely verify this, we also tried this with a “PrimeDice” test bet, using the same calculations.

The only difference is that PrimeDice uses SHA512, this is also clearly stated on their website so we will have to change that in our first tool used.

Spoiler: Primedice test bet

Bet information:
Client seed: Penis-1 (this is already nounce1)
Server seed: 64a838bb7fa191f39aef72e2b441d4cc9e45f7639e20a03b83cfb11d0a33fb3d
Rolled outcome: 20.27

Calculations:

Spoiler: Primedice calculations

672027%(10000)/100= 20.27
This clearly proves that the calculations work.

Hope this helps in clearing out that it's not just a little fault in the system and the "provably fair" system in this case is not working.

 

it was A mistake on our side and that we switched parameters when calculating HMAC
You can retry now and everything will be fine

 

[Dorkinator]

it was A mistake on our side and that we switched parameters when calculating HMAC
You can retry now and everything will be fine

Have you actually verified that it is in fact working, or are you just saying that?

 

[Pendulum]

After speaking with other staff, following the correct format of false advertisement punishment, @Owner has been given a 3 week market ban as well as having all market threads locked.