Reporting Harleigh - recovered account which I paid $1200 for

Seller's Sythe profile link:
hattez @hattez

Vouches if they were exchanged: None, was banned at the time

Original selling thread: Cant find....

Proof of payment: Paid $1200 + $10 sending fee
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net...85f9b68e8b089bb-png.jpg?width=1410&height=598

https://gyazo.com/9fd058f8cf99b633bf08536e3e90d498?token=bc544e35b6700375940794533c991aac

https://gyazo.com/2e585631c0eb873791b67c65771e7e5f?token=e769a722cb285e497bfdad2258c9bafd

Proof of contacting seller:
https://gyazo.com/fa8dcb78485f5e0147fbb548ba35a5c8?token=d2f1c41d2a3825f544c678929e9bce24

Skype profile ID & conversation pictures:
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Any other relevant trade screenshots:
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net...e7bb8d72f613068-png.jpg?width=1410&height=900

- REMOVED FOR THE NAME (person logged in the account)

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I was told this account was secure and that he had the account for nearly a year without issues. Funny how after a week its recovered. Account bank pin wasn't registered, had almost 50M on it. Spent about 25M on the POH.

Hattez claimed this account was totally safe, he has sold 100's of account before. How much bullshit
I spent 80M + 2 bonds on a rare RSN which I bought from this site. I have removed the RSN as to not make It public.

Confident Hattez himself recovered as he said he had the account for so long without any issues but after the sale it gets recovered? Coincidence much?

 

I can confirm I sold the a near max main to kutnkill. I however have no ability to recover the account. I purchased the account from @Harleigh nearly a year ago. I've had zero issues with the account and I highly doubt Harleigh recovered it back. She has long quit runescape and sythe. I speak to her occassionally on skype and we remain good friends. Considering this user just recently attempted scamming an account rental service I'm gonna assume this is complete and utter bullshit. Please contact me with any info you guys need. I'm also willing to contact @Harleigh and see if she can recover the account. Theres a strong chance this user has resold the account and just wants it recovered back or this is all just bullshit. Any mods who need to contact me can do so by discord. I just woke up to this.

 

[Admires1]

cant login to my account right now but harleigh is seen selling the same account with ark’s stats today morning plus a “rare three letter name” which I assume is ark. [$500 Donor][250+ Vouches]Selling almost maxed account[2100+ total]

 

[Tyler]

I have added a dnt to harleigh and will deal with this report when I get home.

 

cant login to my account right now but harleigh is seen selling the same account with ark’s stats today morning plus a “rare three letter name” which I assume is ark. [$500 Donor][250+ Vouches]Selling almost maxed account[2100+ total]

Well it seems Harleigh did recover the account. I'll wait for tylers and other mods input.

 

Well it's confirmed, Harleigh cashed out his sythe account. Offical scam quit engaged.

 

[Tyler]

Back from work. Gonna make sure to discuss in detail with the staff team before making any sort of ruling as I dont believe we have had a situation like this before.

 

[Spastez]

[300+ Vouch's][$200 Donor] 2150+Total, Near Max Main 16 99's, Quest Cape [100+ Accounts Sold]

In this thread, Hattez says hes selling a higher level max main on osrs. What he neglects to mention, which ultimately leads to the recovery of the account, and causes Kutnkill to lose his $1200 usd investment in this account, is that the account was purchased, and he was not the originial owner. One could argue that it is the responsibility of the buyer to ask for information about the account, however that does not justify the lack of information provided from Hattez.

The way this scenario should work with no one being at a loss aside from Hattez works as the following:

Hattez owes Kutnkill the amount of BTC sent when the account was purchased (0.08676) or $1200 USD assuming that Kutnkill purchased the BTC solely with the intent of purchasing the account. This ensures that he does not take a loss on the BTC due to that he would not otherwise be invested in BTC.

Harleigh owes Hattez the maxed account, or his initial purchase of $500.

Meanwhile, Kutnkill should be content with a refund of his purchase, wherein he will not lose money, and simply loses out on the enjoyment of owning that account. Harleigh will be banned from the site, due to the fact that he will not repay Hattez, and in the case that he does, that account should be banned from being resold on the sythe platform seeing as it has been previously recovered with the intent of stealing the money that was on it.

Also, Hattez should recieve an infraction or some sort of punishment for his neglect in this situation, where he failed to provide adaquete information to the purchaser, and did not inform the purchaser that Harleigh was the original owner. This is an esential part of the account sale, and should have been advertised in the thread. It is easy to get overwhelmed with the idea of purchasing a high level account and then overlook details later on that might make your turn away from a deal. I hope that this situation will be handled in a professional manner that will lead to the satisifcation of all parties, aside from Hattez, who created this fiasco.

Cheers.

PS: @Tyler This situation is no different then other situations where an account is resold and recovered from the original owner. No one should be responsible except for Hattez.

 

cant login to my account right now but harleigh is seen selling the same account with ark’s stats today morning plus a “rare three letter name” which I assume is ark. [$500 Donor][250+ Vouches]Selling almost maxed account[2100+ total]

Thank you

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Before buying the account I did make sure if this situation came up Hattez would be held liable and he said it himself or this purchase would not have been made as he claimed he is a staking guy in many cc's ranked etc

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[300+ Vouch's][$200 Donor] 2150+Total, Near Max Main 16 99's, Quest Cape [100+ Accounts Sold]

In this thread, Hattez says hes selling a higher level max main on osrs. What he neglects to mention, which ultimately leads to the recovery of the account, and causes Kutnkill to lose his $1200 usd investment in this account, is that the account was purchased, and he was not the originial owner. One could argue that it is the responsibility of the buyer to ask for information about the account, however that does not justify the lack of information provided from Hattez.

The way this scenario should work with no one being at a loss aside from Hattez works as the following:

Hattez owes Kutnkill the amount of BTC sent when the account was purchased (0.08676) or $1200 USD assuming that Kutnkill purchased the BTC solely with the intent of purchasing the account. This ensures that he does not take a loss on the BTC due to that he would not otherwise be invested in BTC.

Harleigh owes Hattez the maxed account, or his initial purchase of $500.

Meanwhile, Kutnkill should be content with a refund of his purchase, wherein he will not lose money, and simply loses out on the enjoyment of owning that account. Harleigh will be banned from the site, due to the fact that he will not repay Hattez, and in the case that he does, that account should be banned from being resold on the sythe platform seeing as it has been previously recovered with the intent of stealing the money that was on it.

Also, Hattez should recieve an infraction or some sort of punishment for his neglect in this situation, where he failed to provide adaquete information to the purchaser, and did not inform the purchaser that Harleigh was the original owner. This is an esential part of the account sale, and should have been advertised in the thread. It is easy to get overwhelmed with the idea of purchasing a high level account and then overlook details later on that might make your turn away from a deal. I hope that this situation will be handled in a professional manner that will lead to the satisifcation of all parties, aside from Hattez, who created this fiasco.

Cheers.

PS: @Tyler This situation is no different then other situations where an account is resold and recovered from the original owner. No one should be responsible except for Hattez.

 

[Tyler]

The staff team are discussing this more in detail including a thread and poll in the staff lounge.

 

What is there to even discuss?

I reported this so Hattez would get banned, I thought he stole it back. As a resolution he needs to refund me, as prior to the purchase I made sure if this situation did occur he would refund me to which he assured me he will. Screenshot provided here. I would not have made this purchase had I known I would not be eligible for a refund from Hattez as I saw his reputation and trusted him.

Gyazo - 08a3315f63f555d3c8ca944e58c8f2d8.png 'Id have to refund....'

I also understand Hattez got 2 accounts in exchange for this league account. This main which I was sold and also this main here which is being sold now by RS4ME

[$1k+ Vouched] Level 126 Main with 99 Slayer, 1825+ Total, 240M+ Bank


I understand Hattez can recover this league account back, the account he sold @RS4Me is safe, as apparently Harleigh didnt create it. This means Hattez has essentially sold 2 accounts and now is able to get the league account back, which means he has made a killing and has not lost anything

Win, Win, Win for him and Lose lose lose for me (Ruling against chuckle on the account which I didnt want, this bullshit now and the Pokole bullshit)

I really did get screwed over and do not take a decision lightly as $1.2K is serious money I invested, I would not have spent this much if Hattez did not offer the protection stated above.

 

What is there to even discuss?

I reported this so Hattez would get banned, I thought he stole it back. As a resolution he needs to refund me, as prior to the purchase I made sure if this situation did occur he would refund me to which he assured me he will. Screenshot provided here. I would not have made this purchase had I known I would not be eligible for a refund from Hattez as I saw his reputation and trusted him.

Gyazo - 08a3315f63f555d3c8ca944e58c8f2d8.png 'Id have to refund....'

I also understand Hattez got 2 accounts in exchange for this league account. This main which I was sold and also this main here which is being sold now by RS4ME

[$1k+ Vouched] Level 126 Main with 99 Slayer, 1825+ Total, 240M+ Bank


I understand Hattez can recover this league account back, the account he sold @RS4Me is safe, as apparently Harleigh didnt create it. This means Hattez has essentially sold 2 accounts and now is able to get the league account back, which means he has made a killing and has not lost anything

Win, Win, Win for him and Lose lose lose for me (Ruling against chuckle on the account which I didnt want, this bullshit now and the Pokole bullshit)

I really did get screwed over and do not take a decision lightly as $1.2K is serious money I invested, I would not have spent this much if Hattez did not offer the protection stated above.

I purchased two accounts from harleigh. One was a trade for the league account. The second was for 300 in riot points. The league account I traded him was purchased from a store. The account was randomly banned and I replaced it with another store bought account. I'm already trying to find which store I purchased the account from. We might not be able to recover it but we can get it banned. Also want to note that the rsn ark was recovered and Its information was sent to me via discord. I also want to state that at the time I believed I'd be held responsible if it was recovered. Tyler messaged me and told me he was making a poll for staff lounge. Some believe I shouldn't be held responsible because I didn't recover the account. This has just been an unfortunate series of events.

 

I have nothing against Hattez at this moment in time. He has contacted me saying he has the name and will give it to me. I thank him publicly

'Some people believe you shouldn't be held responsible'.. I specifically, prior to purchase asked you if Harleigh recovered the account what would happen, you said, you would be made to refund. To my knowledge all terms and conditions of account sales should be made before the sale and should be acted upon. This is what past rulings/sythe rules state.

I saw a post by @Chloe regarding account sales involving multiple users. Which I unfortunately can't find

Person A sells account to Person B who in turns sells account to Person C. Account gets stolen from Person C meaning, person A should refund person B the amount paid between themselves and Person B must refund Person C of the paid amount. Failure to do so by any of the 2 members results in a ban either to one of them or both. I understand this is how it has always worked. (in this sale Hattez would not receive a refund as he was given a 99 slayer account also which is safe that he has sold. He is also able to recover the League account he switched the accounts for)


I more importantly want to point out that any ruling in favour of Hattez will result in the following:

Trusted user, namely Hattez, buys account of a non trusted sythe member who he claims to know IRL. (Manipulates the situation and infact he himself could be that non trusted member). Sells the account for a vast amount of $ due to his reputation, then some time later recovers the account. On his non trusted sythe/skype w/e he messages saying 'Yeh sorry I recovered the account'. A ruling in favour of Hattez will set precedent to situations like this, whereby Hattez possibly walks away with the account and money as there is no proof he is that non trusted member, who gets banned. The person who buys the account gets fucked as the 'non trusted' user would have no intentions of returning.


^^The above is an example of what possibly could happen in the future by bending the norm and favouring Hattez in this situation.


I await patiently. Hattez contacted me asking if I would be interested in a partial refund followed up with his 13 pray firecape pure to which he is the OO. I am interested and would consider, following an outcome taken by Mods.

 

I have nothing against Hattez at this moment in time. He has contacted me saying he has the name and will give it to me. I thank him publicly

'Some people believe you shouldn't be held responsible'.. I specifically, prior to purchase asked you if Harleigh recovered the account what would happen, you said, you would be made to refund. To my knowledge all terms and conditions of account sales should be made before the sale and should be acted upon. This is what past rulings/sythe rules state.

I saw a post by @Chloe regarding account sales involving multiple users. Which I unfortunately can't find

Person A sells account to Person B who in turns sells account to Person C. Account gets stolen from Person C meaning, person A should refund person B the amount paid between themselves and Person B must refund Person C of the paid amount. Failure to do so by any of the 2 members results in a ban either to one of them or both. I understand this is how it has always worked. (in this sale Hattez would not receive a refund as he was given a 99 slayer account also which is safe that he has sold. He is also able to recover the League account he switched the accounts for)


I more importantly want to point out that any ruling in favour of Hattez will result in the following:

Trusted user, namely Hattez, buys account of a non trusted sythe member who he claims to know IRL. (Manipulates the situation and infact he himself could be that non trusted member). Sells the account for a vast amount of $ due to his reputation, then some time later recovers the account. On his non trusted sythe/skype w/e he messages saying 'Yeh sorry I recovered the account'. A ruling in favour of Hattez will set precedent to situations like this, whereby Hattez possibly walks away with the account and money as there is no proof he is that non trusted member, who gets banned. The person who buys the account gets fucked as the 'non trusted' user would have no intentions of returning.


^^The above is an example of what possibly could happen in the future by bending the norm and favouring Hattez in this situation.


I await patiently. Hattez contacted me asking if I would be interested in a partial refund followed up with his 13 pray firecape pure to which he is the OO. I am interested and would consider, following an outcome taken by Mods.

I am not a mod and It doesnt matter what you state in account sales apparently. I have tried to sell accounts with 0 responsibility and posted such on the sale thread. Only to have mods say it doesnt matter. They have rules for certain situations and I patiently await the outcome. I'd also like to point out that I dont buy "sketchy" accounts from "non reputable" users. I purchased this account from a $500 donor who I had known for over a year. Not only that but I had owned the account for 9+ months with out any issue. I trusted Harleigh and so did you. I clearly stated who created the account and that I had no ability to recover. If sythe finds im responsible I will refund you. I havent strayed from the situation one bit. I had already went ahead and started putting together a refund for you. Thats why I asked if you would accept another account + gp as a repayment. Tyler approached me and asked about the situation. He wanted to get other staff opinions before proceeding. As far as I can tell there can only be 3 out comes. Im responsible and issue a full refund, Harleigh is responsible and perm banned for the 1200 scam or, We both split responsibility I pay you half of the purchase amount.

User has been given the information to log in and confirm the name. I'm unable to supply the password/email links because I didnt create the account or actually snipe the name. I was only supplied with the info from a kind user who helped when they seen the situation.
They can choose to release their identity if they so choose.

 

I never trusted Hareligh when buying the account, I trusted in you, which I said to you. Would I have made this purchase w/o asking if you would refund if account was stolen? NO

You can ask rs4me I contacted him some time ago about his 99 slayer account too. When I found out the account was passed along 4 people I said nty because who would be held responsible? It wouldnt been clear cut

Thank you for your help Hattez I never said you were being a piece of shit, I do admit you have been assuring and understanding. Im out and hope any further comments will only be from mods.

 

[Tyler]

Okay after some deliberations with the moderation team and through a poll in the staff lounge we have come to a conclusion.

This report is/was not handled like a normal account recovery because instead of just speculation that the OO (Harleigh) recovered the account, we have evidence to support the fact that @Harleigh recovered the account. If that was not the case we just follow the chain of the sale (first @hattez tries to recover and if he cant refunds, then we go to Harleigh)

Before the trade took place @hattez made it very clear to @Kutnkill that he was not the OO and Harleigh was. In addition he noted that if an account recovery was ever to happen he would not be able to help/recover the account as he did not have the pertinent information. This sets a premise that because of the fact that the OO is not some nameless, faceless creature and more importantly, falls under our jurisdiction.

In addition to above there have been situations in the past which I brought to the attention of the staff team. This situations are very similar in the fact that we can pin the blame on who recovered the account (the OO) and for that, FireZ ruled that because of the evidence; the OO was in fact responsible.





With all of that being said, the staff team had issues with ruling on this report that way for a couple reasons.

Hattez shows here during the time of sale that he would be held responsible if the account were to ever be recovered

The above shows evidence that its completely possible @Kutnkill only bought the account because he was trusting @hattez to not recover the account and because he views @hattez as "Trustworthy enough to make this purchase".

Not only that, but if we set a precedent with reports like these. It may be open to exploitation from users. This is not the case here, seeing that @Harleigh, @hattez and @Kutnkill are obviously different people.





The results of the poll in the staff lounge hold @hattez responsible for the price of the account at the time it was sold to @Kutnkill, which is $1200 USD. If both users come to a conclusion about what is a fair trade/refund then keep me updated. I see that the two of you are already in discussion about fixing this.

It's also on @hattez to go after @Harleigh for the refund of his purchase of the account, @Harleigh will also receive a ban on Sythe determinate to the amount she/he has scamquit.

For the time being I also have to apply a DNT to @hattez as he has outstanding debt against @Kutnkill until he either

• Recovers the account for him (which he knows he cant)
• Comes to a conclusion with @Kutnkill for reimbursement.

Keep me updated guys.

 

Okay after some deliberations with the moderation team and through a poll in the staff lounge we have come to a conclusion.

This report is/was not handled like a normal account recovery because instead of just speculation that the OO (Harleigh) recovered the account, we have evidence to support the fact that @Harleigh recovered the account. If that was not the case we just follow the chain of the sale (first @hattez tries to recover and if he cant refunds, then we go to Harleigh)

Before the trade took place @hattez made it very clear to @Kutnkill that he was not the OO and Harleigh was. In addition he noted that if an account recovery was ever to happen he would not be able to help/recover the account as he did not have the pertinent information. This sets a premise that because of the fact that the OO is not some nameless, faceless creature and more importantly, falls under our jurisdiction.

In addition to above there have been situations in the past which I brought to the attention of the staff team. This situations are very similar in the fact that we can pin the blame on who recovered the account (the OO) and for that, FireZ ruled that because of the evidence; the OO was in fact responsible.





With all of that being said, the staff team had issues with ruling on this report that way for a couple reasons.

Hattez shows here during the time of sale that he would be held responsible if the account were to ever be recovered

The above shows evidence that its completely possible @Kutnkill only bought the account because he was trusting @hattez to not recover the account and because he views @hattez as "Trustworthy enough to make this purchase".

Not only that, but if we set a precedent with reports like these. It may be open to exploitation from users. This is not the case here, seeing that @Harleigh, @hattez and @Kutnkill are obviously different people.





The results of the poll in the staff lounge hold @hattez responsible for the price of the account at the time it was sold to @Kutnkill, which is $1200 USD. If both users come to a conclusion about what is a fair trade/refund then keep me updated. I see that the two of you are already in discussion about fixing this.

It's also on @hattez to go after @Harleigh for the refund of his purchase of the account, @Harleigh will also receive a ban on Sythe determinate to the amount she/he has scamquit.

For the time being I also have to apply a DNT to @hattez as he has outstanding debt against @Kutnkill until he either

• Recovers the account for him (which he knows he cant)
• Comes to a conclusion with @Kutnkill for reimbursement.

Keep me updated guys.

I agree and have already started the process of refunding the user today in full. We've agreed to a partial refund. Account, gp, btc and possibly remaining balance in eth. Just trying to figure out a way to avoid huge btc fee's atm. Once payment is complete I will post proof.

Edit-

1200/1200
Account valued @ 450m given
$350 Sent via Coinbase
100m 07 given
300 sent via Eth

User has been fully repaid. (I might owe him 20 bucks via the fee, I'll just give him 07) However the vast majority of the payment has been sent. Please remove my DNT @Tyler

Unless you wish to keep me DNT'd for this amount:

 

[Tyler]

@Kutnkill

Please confirm you have received your refund and I can remove his DNT

 

@hattez DNT can be removed.

I thank him for his cooperation and for going beyond by retrieving the account name.

I settled for a account valued at 450m, rest in 110M 07, 350$ BTC and $290 ETH. He is a man of his word and I thank him once again.