Justice for the Rich

[The_Ace]

I was watching television and was watching a recount on a court case. This man was found guilty of attempted murder on his wife and was given a bail of 1 million dollars. Any average person would not be able to afford this however he was very wealthy and easily paid this. Then later he paid a very large amount of money to hire lawyers to prove his innocence, and he was actually found not guilty.

Now any average-wealthy person would not be able to afford any of this. And if this circumstance was put onto an average-wealthy person they would not be able to afford the bail or the lawyers and would go down as a convicted murder.

My discussion for this is that this individual was given justice simply because he could afford it, not because of the justice system. This raises the discussion are rich people served justice more so then an average-wealthy person.

 

[Square]

Take out bails. Simple solution.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Square, that ensures that if you're jailed for something minor, you have to stay in jail until your trial.

 

[Gnomey]

I was watching television and was watching a recount on a court case. This man was found guilty of attempted murder on his wife and was given a bail of 1 million dollars. Any average person would not be able to afford this however he was very wealthy and easily paid this. Then later he paid a very large amount of money to hire lawyers to prove his innocence, and he was actually found not guilty.

Now any average-wealthy person would not be able to afford any of this. And if this circumstance was put onto an average-wealthy person they would not be able to afford the bail or the lawyers and would go down as a convicted murder.

My discussion for this is that this individual was given justice simply because he could afford it, not because of the justice system. This raises the discussion are rich people served justice more so then an average-wealthy person.

Wait, he was found guilty, went out on bail, and was then found innocent? I've never heard of someone being able to leave aftre being found guilty...

 

[reddogwwa]

Hey, he probably worked hard for it.

So why not let your money work for you for once....Instead of you working for your money.

 

[Honeo]

Hey, he probably worked hard for it.

So why not let your money work for you for once....Instead of you working for your money.

Yes, he probably did work hard for it. But does this mean he should get away with murder?

 

[Schnell]

Square, that ensures that if you're jailed for something minor, you have to stay in jail until your trial.

boo hoo

 

[Damien0124]

Bails are a corrupt/capitalist way to get out of jail.
It's either you defend yourself with a(n expensive) lawyer or you fail and get imprisoned.

 

[The_Ace]

Wait, he was found guilty, went out on bail, and was then found innocent? I've never heard of someone being able to leave aftre being found guilty...

He bailed out, did you even read it.

 

[Schnell]

Can you bail out after being found guilty of murder??

 

[reddogwwa]

Yes, he probably did work hard for it. But does this mean he should get away with murder?

Who am I to judge lol. Hes a smart guy, anyone who's smart enough to get away with murder should be free.

 

[The_Ace]

Hey, he probably worked hard for it.

So why not let your money work for you for once....Instead of you working for your money.

True i'm sure he did work hard for his money.

 

[The_Ace]

Who am I to judge lol. Hes a smart guy, anyone who's smart enough to get away with murder should be free.

He didn't get away with it, he was proven not guilty in a re-trial.

 

[The_Ace]

Can you bail out after being found guilty of murder??

I'm not 100% sure of the American Legal System and it's laws, but he did bail out sometime after he was found guilty.

 

[TheRedeemer]

The truth is in this country, money IS power.

 

[Macroman]

Take out Bails for Certain offences such as Murder any long term jail time offences.

 

[megaman 2006]

I'm not 100% sure of the American Legal System and it's laws, but he did bail out sometime after he was found guilty.

Impossible, I think you've misconstrued getting arrested and being found guilty. Once you're found guilty you go to jail, and live out your sentence.

Now lets say Joe Average did the same thing, but he was middle class. He wouldn't get a million dollar bail, thats just not how our justice system is
based. Your bail does have to do with the crime you've committed, but most of the time its payable. If they wanted you to stay in jail, they can deny you bail
until the trial.

As for the lawyers, having amazing lawyers with 30 years of experience does not guarantee a not guilty verdict. In our system you have something called a
jury, who are people. You could be the richest man in the world, that doesn't mean they'll find you innocent. There are plenty of flaws in the justice system, but I believe you're wildly exaggerating what you saw. After all, it was a TV show.

 

[The_Ace]

Take out Bails for Certain offences such as Murder any long term jail time offences.

If that were to be done in this trial, then the suspect would never be able to prove his innocense.

 

[The_Ace]

Impossible, I think you've misconstrued getting arrested and being found guilty. Once you're found guilty you go to jail, and live out your sentence.

Now lets say Joe Average did the same thing, but he was middle class. He wouldn't get a million dollar bail, thats just not how our justice system is
based. Your bail does have to do with the crime you've committed, but most of the time its payable. If they wanted you to stay in jail, they can deny you bail
until the trial.

As for the lawyers, having amazing lawyers with 30 years of experience does not guarantee a not guilty verdict. In our system you have something called a
jury, who are people. You could be the richest man in the world, that doesn't mean they'll find you innocent. There are plenty of flaws in the justice system, but I believe you're wildly exaggerating what you saw. After all, it was a TV show.

Bail's aren't set depended on how much money you have, they're set on what the judge thinks is a "good" amount.

Also lawyers with 30 years experience are more likely to find you the verdict you want then a rookie lawyer because they know how to persuade a jury.

Yes it was a TV show, but it was all true, it wasn't based on a true story, it was a true story, they went over everything that happened in the trial.

 

[Fat Lard]

Bail's aren't set depended on how much money you have, they're set on what the judge thinks is a "good" amount.

That's EXACTLY what they base it on you fucking idiot. They look at the charge, your financial situation and your history with breaking the law. If you have a lot of money and it has a history of being associated with not showing up in court and/or leaving the country (murder...), your bail will be higher than a first time being indicted, middle income guy who stole from a store.

If someone who may or may not have killed someone (BEFORE the trial you can post bail which just means you don't have to wait in jail until your trial because that would fuck up the people who are innocent) has millions of dollars, a $10,000 bond won't deter the defendant from leaving the country. That same $10,000 bond may be enough to deter your lower income bracket Joe Schmo though.

Also lawyers with 30 years experience are more likely to find you the verdict you want then a rookie lawyer because they know how to persuade a jury.

Boo fucking hoo. America is a CAPITALIST society. Or should be. Look, we even provide you a free lawyer paid for by the nice tax paying people if you can't afford a lawyer. If you don't have enough money to pay for a lawyer THAT IS NOT MY PROBLEM. Get a fucking job and stop complaining. Lawyers cost money.



This is how the justice system works in America.
1. You get arrested (At this point the police will try to scare you but this DOES NOT go on any type of record)

2. You get to the jail and are either indicted or let go (They need significant evidence that you MAY have committed a crime. If they do not have evidence they let you go. Indictments DO NOT go on any type of record)

3. They tell you how much money you have to pay to get out of jail temporarily (UNTIL YOUR COURT DATE) and when your court date is. The bond is based on the things listed above. If you can't pay for your bond, most times a bondsman will post bail for you as long as you agree to show up in court and pay him back with interest. They will keep close tabs on you but that's what you get for using a private bondsman.

4. You have a jury made up of your peers to determine your innocence. This is normally a month or so after being initially arrested. They state presents their case against you and you and your lawyer present the defense case. If there is ANY reasonable doubt AT ALL that you may not have committed the crime (ANY means ANY! Even if they're 99% sure you're guilty and 1% sure you're innocent, they say not guilty) you're set free and nothing goes on any type of record. If they feel convinced that you did it then you go to jail to serve your term in jail.