[DENIED] Rule Reform

Still conscious of the fact that none of the current staff team have posted on the thread, yet some have been reading it/liked comments.

I'm curious to see your input too, please post!

 

[Laptop65]

Still conscious of the fact that none of the current staff team have posted on the thread, yet some have been reading it/liked comments.

I'm curious to see your input too, please post!

In regards to my particular situation - literally EVERY staff member I've approached about it has taken my side with it. Although obviously Richard will have the final say no matter how many staff say otherwise (not exactly trying to start an uprising, but I wouldn't be pushing for change here if it was important to me). I obviously haven't asked every single staff member, but more than half of the staff agree what happened to me was shitty and it wouldn't really have been an "issue" to make an exception. Obviously the damage is done by now like I said, but I still have damage control to do and obviously I need to make sure this never happens again in the future.

But no, in regards to my post and @Milotic's one in the OP, staff feel free to post.

 

[ShipTheFlip]

I don't know how I feel about this. Hypothetically this rule could act as a shield for banned users to do whatever they want with no fear of retaliation from the victims. Like if that Peaceful guy from page 1, who seems like an asshole, tweets your RSN's for the next 5 years and you can't do the same to him to get him to back off.

On the other hand doxing is just a shitty thing that can temporarily or permanently ruin lives. I don't care too much about that, but it often involves family members being dragged into their son/husband/father/etc.'s stupidity which is fucked up

So I like the idea of getting rid of the doxing shit but I'm against giving scumbags the power and protection to endlessly abuse sythe users because of a privilege they didn't earn but were given out of sympathy

 

[Laptop65]

Anymore input on this? From staff or the community.

 

[Alice]

I agree, I find it surprising that doxing banned members is even allowed. Like what's been mentioned already, there's plenty of people on this forum that take an "eye for an eye" way too far. I don't think anyone deserves to have their, or their families, lives ruined/damaged. It's not that I don't think banned users shouldn't be punished for their actions, but doxing in pretty much every scenario goes too far, in my opinion.

Had more to say but I think most has already been covered by several posts here, so I'll leave it at that. Support, though!

 

[Pain]

Not supporting.

You are outside your boundary's and have been maliciously targeting the people you dislike(josh, elite ranks, others) through borderline rules at best, ontop of the fact you've been using front men to do the dirty work.

I don't trust you and I don't trust the intentions behind this suggestion one bit. Most of the community is ignorant of tweeting and name sniping but I have more than a feeling you have some nasty loopholes and reports waiting if this suggestion passes.

Making a rule to protect the community is one thing, potentially throwing ur enemies under the bus maliciously with a new rule suggested by you is another.

You can say whatever you want, I'm unbiased and have purely been looking from a 3rd party perspective, just because you've been accused of the things ur wanting to make illegal but never caught doesn't mean you should be able to get a rule through to railroad your enemies because your better at hiding what goes on BTS better than they are.

This suggestion is malicious in nature I have no doubt, it sounds pretty but is a nasty one.

As a completely unbiased party here(for once) its absolutely a no from me & I hope staff realize what's going on here.

Also, for every bloody report made against these guys it will just start another tweet war,spam war, report war, so and so forth. Keep ur goddam staking and gambling drama away from sythe NOBODY(Staff especially I'm sure although I cant speak for them) want to deal with this shit. Sythe aren't the internet police and this is fucking dumb to poke the wasp nest that this suggestion would bring so u can get ur personal retaliation through sythe for when u've been tweeted & other things.

 

Not supporting.

You are outside your boundary's and have been maliciously targeting the people you dislike(josh, elite ranks, others) through borderline rules at best, ontop of the fact you've been using front men to do the dirty work.

I don't trust you and I don't trust the intentions behind this suggestion one bit. Most of the community is ignorant of tweeting and name sniping but I have more than a feeling you have some nasty loopholes and reports waiting if this suggestion passes.

Making a rule to protect the community is one thing, potentially throwing ur enemies under the bus maliciously with a new rule suggested by you is another.

You can say whatever you want, I'm unbiased and have purely been looking from a 3rd party perspective, just because you've been accused of the things ur wanting to make illegal but never caught doesn't mean you should be able to get a rule through to railroad your enemies because your better at hiding what goes on BTS better than they are.

This suggestion is malicious in nature I have no doubt, it sounds pretty but is a nasty one.

As a completely unbiased party here(for once) its absolutely a no from me & I hope staff realize what's going on here.

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   an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
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I am rank in Elite Ranks, and I openly said in my scam report to Josh that I hope this doesn't affect our relationship more than it has already. To think I have some dark plan in store for both of them is ludicrous.

If you have some real feedback relating to the suggestion, please post it!

 

[Alice]

Not supporting.

You are outside your boundary's and have been maliciously targeting the people you dislike(josh, elite ranks, others) through borderline rules at best, ontop of the fact you've been using front men to do the dirty work.

I don't trust you and I don't trust the intentions behind this suggestion one bit. Most of the community is ignorant of tweeting and name sniping but I have more than a feeling you have some nasty loopholes and reports waiting if this suggestion passes.

Making a rule to protect the community is one thing, potentially throwing ur enemies under the bus maliciously with a new rule suggested by you is another.

You can say whatever you want, I'm unbiased and have purely been looking from a 3rd party perspective, just because you've been accused of the things ur wanting to make illegal but never caught doesn't mean you should be able to get a rule through to railroad your enemies because your better at hiding what goes on BTS better than they are.

This suggestion is malicious in nature I have no doubt, it sounds pretty but is a nasty one.

As a completely unbiased party here(for once) its absolutely a no from me & I hope staff realize what's going on here.

Also, for every bloody report made against these guys it will just start another tweet war,spam war, report war, so and so forth. Keep ur goddam staking and gambling drama away from sythe NOBODY(Staff especially I'm sure although I cant speak for them) want to deal with this shit. Sythe aren't the internet police and this is fucking dumb to poke the wasp nest that this suggestion would bring so u can get ur personal retaliation through sythe for when u've been tweeted & other things.

I honestly can't see how you could say that it's a "nasty" suggestion to disallow doxing/tweeting/leaking information. You say that you're keeping an unbiased opinion, yet you don't actually explain why you think the suggestion is bad - you simply attack what you think Milotic's intentions are, which have nothing to do with whether or not people deserve their privacy (banned or not).

Yeah, Sythe isn't the internet police, but that doesn't mean there can't be efforts to stop something that's actually scummy and malicious regardless of the reasoning behind it. Ignoring the person that posted this thread, why do you think that doxing/tweeting/leaking information for banned user should be allowed?

 

Bump thotties, still looking for more feedback and input

All sides of the argument welcome.

 

[Daddy Dropperz]

it can't be simplified into just banned users and non sythe users. You need to take into consideration that some of these users are genuine scum bags who do the things they do because there ARE no repercussions. I say we should allow scamming of scammers as long as you can provide proof of why they deserved to be scammed and the staff determines if it was rightful to do so if a report comes up.

 

Not supporting.

You are outside your boundary's and have been maliciously targeting the people you dislike(josh, elite ranks, others) through borderline rules at best, ontop of the fact you've been using front men to do the dirty work.

I don't trust you and I don't trust the intentions behind this suggestion one bit. Most of the community is ignorant of tweeting and name sniping but I have more than a feeling you have some nasty loopholes and reports waiting if this suggestion passes.

Making a rule to protect the community is one thing, potentially throwing ur enemies under the bus maliciously with a new rule suggested by you is another.

You can say whatever you want, I'm unbiased and have purely been looking from a 3rd party perspective, just because you've been accused of the things ur wanting to make illegal but never caught doesn't mean you should be able to get a rule through to railroad your enemies because your better at hiding what goes on BTS better than they are.

This suggestion is malicious in nature I have no doubt, it sounds pretty but is a nasty one.

As a completely unbiased party here(for once) its absolutely a no from me & I hope staff realize what's going on here.

Also, for every bloody report made against these guys it will just start another tweet war,spam war, report war, so and so forth. Keep ur goddam staking and gambling drama away from sythe NOBODY(Staff especially I'm sure although I cant speak for them) want to deal with this shit. Sythe aren't the internet police and this is fucking dumb to poke the wasp nest that this suggestion would bring so u can get ur personal retaliation through sythe for when u've been tweeted & other things.

"As a completely unbiased party here.." lol!

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Although this user has molested my profile with his comments every single time my bowels even moved. I support his suggestion, there's a point where things go too far.

Currently if an individual is banned or not a member of Sythe, it is perfectly fine to do a fair amount of damage to them, both financially and personally.

Isn't this already not allowed?

 

"As a completely unbiased party here.." lol!

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Although this user has molested my profile with his comments every single time my bowels even moved. I support his suggestion, there's a point where things go too far.




Isn't this already not allowed?

Apologies for not replying sooner, idk why I didn't.

No, if a user is banned from Sythe it's not punishable currently to post any of their information.

I posted a picture in MS Paint I made in the discord, and was reported for leaking IRL information (completely a joke, there was no malicious intent whatsoever). The information was commonly known, posted all the time, but the user in question was banned on Sythe - which was an easy way to get the report closed.

Now I'm suggesting this be changed, or re-thought in some way. Say if you were to post REAL actual details of that user, or any user, that'd be potentially harmful to them.


Anyways bump from the trenches to the riches w/e he said family stix togeffa

 

Bump, is there any staff discussion on updating this rule?

 

[ShipTheFlip]

Bump, is there any staff discussion on updating this rule?

What's your solution to this

I don't know how I feel about this. Hypothetically this rule could act as a shield for banned users to do whatever they want with no fear of retaliation from the victims. Like if that Peaceful guy from page 1, who seems like an asshole, tweets your RSN's for the next 5 years and you can't do the same to him to get him to back off.

...

So I like the idea of getting rid of the doxing shit but I'm against giving scumbags the power and protection to endlessly abuse sythe users because of a privilege they didn't earn but were given out of sympathy

 

What's your solution to this

You make a good point, but I don't think an eye for an eye is always the best way to go about things.

 

[ShipTheFlip]

You make a good point, but I don't think an eye for an eye is always the best way to go about things.

I don't either, but I'm sure there's a lot more 'Cold Wars' happening than back and forth retaliation. For example, there's people I know I would never fuck with because of what they could do to me if I did. If I was a banned user protected by this rule I no longer have a reason to hold back because my victim is handcuffed

 

I don't either, but I'm sure there's a lot more 'Cold Wars' happening than back and forth retaliation. For example, there's people I know I would never fuck with because of what they could do to me if I did. If I was a banned user protected by this rule I no longer have a reason to hold back because my victim is handcuffed

The point of this is to discourage people from engaging in that activity altogether. It breeds a toxic environment and it's kinda baffling that I can sit and tweet someones accs just because they're not on Sythe.org, but if they signup without me knowing then I could get banned for that instantly.

If it's not okay to do to someone on Sythe, why is it okay if they're not on Sythe?

 

[Cryax]

I would like to add that slander should also be included in this. Both on and off Sythe as peoples business, personal details and life are affected.

This should be a bannable offence.

Why should someone be able to call someone a scammer, botter, etc.. without proof. This destroys reputation and trust built over the years on our accounts. I personally, have lost business due to this recently.

I like to be open and honest as I have done over my time on Sythe. I find on this site people like to get involved in other people business and then go behind your back and call you anything under the sun just so that they can stop a deal going through or simply tarnish reputation. I am not sure if this is jealously or just being malicious, but I always document and store this so that when the day comes and I need this, I can prove this activity by said user. As I said, funnily enough it happened recently.

You will be surprised what some of the 'large' (and not so large) names on Sythe try to do just to feel/maintain some sort of presence in the market, when they already have it. It is like a sheepdog leading the sheep and they sheep will follow you to almost anywhere! I understand it is business, but there will come a time where the line is drawn as these users are effectively misleading/lying to people out the market.

I want the day to come when someone hears the website Sythe and doesn't immediately associate with scammers. This is what I get told 7/10 times when speaking to Runescapers and gamers who are aware of this forum, but don't actively use it.

Sythe is a great free market and for me it is a hobby. It has a big part in so many peoples daily lives and livelihoods. Not to mention it also has its select users other than admins and mods that play their part to keep the site as safe as possible which I respect a lot as they give up their time to do so. You can never eliminate all the scammers, but we are sure doing a part to prevent them.

 

I would like to add that slander should also be included in this. Both on and off Sythe as peoples business, personal details and life are affected.

This should be a bannable offence.

Why should someone be able to call someone a scammer, botter, etc.. without proof. This destroys reputation and trust built over the years on our accounts. I personally, have lost business due to this recently.

I like to be open and honest as I have done over my time on Sythe. I find on this site people like to get involved in other people business and then go behind your back and call you anything under the sun just so that they can stop a deal going through or simply tarnish reputation. I am not sure if this is jealously or just being malicious, but I always document and store this so that when the day comes and I need this, I can prove this activity by said user. As I said, funnily enough it happened recently.

You will be surprised what some of the 'large' (and not so large) names on Sythe try to do just to feel/maintain some sort of presence in the market, when they already have it. It is like a sheepdog leading the sheep and they sheep will follow you to almost anywhere! I understand it is business, but there will come a time where the line is drawn as these users are effectively misleading/lying to people out the market.

I want the day to come when someone hears the website Sythe and doesn't immediately associate with scammers. This is what I get told 7/10 times when speaking to Runescapers and gamers who are aware of this forum, but don't actively use it.

Sythe is a great free market and for me it is a hobby. It has a big part in so many peoples daily lives and livelihoods. Not to mention it also has its select users other than admins and mods that play their part to keep the site as safe as possible which I respect a lot as they give up their time to do so. You can never eliminate all the scammers, but we are sure doing a part to prevent them.

This is against the rules already

 

Support.

Our community shouldnt accept members collecting and releasing such information, since it is an extremely malicious activity with the intent to purely cause harm. We do not need such members in our fair community.