Mandingo is a scammer!

[Sneaky]

Scammer's profile link: @Mandingo
Explanation of the trade: Buying a osrs money making guide
How they scammed: This method is publicly available, I can provide links to a mod in case this method is not found guilty/wrong.
Proof that it's their Skype: Gyazo - c8921135f280c9cfa323412e7c5907ab.png
Skype profile ID & conversation pictures: Gyazo - 266d6a14d08d729b34ce2ee0b58fd7bc.png (his skype ID)
Other relevant trade screenshots: Proof I bought the guide: Gyazo - a720f15f093f863bccc2aaa54894bd5d.png


Note: I'm pretty sure you can be infracted/banned for selling publicly available guides so that's why I'm posting this. If this information is incorrect I'm sorry for causing a trouble. Lmk if I need to post anything more.

 

[Sun]

This guide? [UNSATURATED] [NEW] 300-500k/hr OSRS Money Making Method [BOTTABLE] [LOW REQS] If not, which? PM me if necessary.

 

[Sneaky]

This guide? [UNSATURATED] [NEW] 300-500k/hr OSRS Money Making Method [BOTTABLE] [LOW REQS] If not, which? PM me if necessary.

yes

 

[Sun]

How come its taken 3 wks to report? If you want me to check if the method is public knowledge, PM me or msg me on Skype pls.

 

[Sneaky]

Didn't know that you weren't allowed to sell public methods until I had a look at the sticky/asked a friend . Also what do u want me to PM you?

 

[Sun]

Didn't know that you weren't allowed to sell public methods until I had a look at the sticky/asked a friend . Also what do u want me to PM you?

The guide so I can verify that it's public.

 

[Sneaky]

The guide so I can verify that it's public.

Pmed it

 

[Mandingo]

I released the guide on October 25, 2016. Sneaky Fish5 claims that the method is "public" based on a youtube video that he found regarding the method. I claimed that I found the method on my own, and was unaware of the youtube video that was released regarding the method. The youtube video was quite hidden and hard to find, since it only had 5,000 views. To be able to find this method, one must KNOW the details of the method in order to search for it. Runescape is a virtual reality, and there are obviously limits to how can make money. I spend a long time in Runescape searching for methods on my own (I have sold over three money making guides here on Sythe without complaints). So my reasoning is, the guide that I am selling is all made by me. The guide is completely written by myself only, and searching the guide on Google will come up with 0 results since I was the one who wrote it and kept it privately. When Sneaky Fish5 first purchased the guide, he was very pleased with what he received. He did not know of the method before hand, and received the profit that I promised in the guide.

He even left a vouch/review regarding the guide he purchased:

vouch for content of the guide, really nice format and easy to understand. Will update once i test out the method
EDIT: Got the script for this guide, and the method definitely works and even better than what the guide states. You will easily be making 400k an hour!

So Sneaky Fish5 calling me a scammer is a bit of an exaggeration in my opinion. As a customer, he was looking for a method that was unsaturated and promising of the profit made per hour. I gave him everything that I promised within the guide, and he seemed very pleased at first.

However, Sneaky Fish5 recently claimed that I was scamming since he found the method on the internet. The internet is a huge place, and there are only so many things to do in Runescape. I stick by my claim that this method is not known by the majority of the Runescape public, since #1 there is not a public script or premium script out there for this method, and #2 there is no youtube video promoting this method as a money making method. There is the single video (with 5,000 views) that walks you through this method, but it does not advertise it as a money making method whatsoever.

In order for me to be accused of scamming, I have to be cheating someone or stealing from someone else's work of some kind. Based on Sneaky Fish5's original opinion of the method, he seemed to have been making the money that was promised and enjoying the profits of the guide to its full extent. If this method was "public", Sneaky Fish5 would already know about it and there would be dozens of scripts and videos about this method.

To any moderator or admin reviewing this thread, I am able to send you a copy of the guide I wrote for reviewing purposes.

Like I said, I have been selling guides here on Sythe for a long time, and have stayed within my limits and thoroughly read the rules:
Guide DNS List
RuneScape Guide Rules, Guidelines and Advice

 

[Sneaky]

I released the guide on October 25, 2016. Sneaky Fish5 claims that the method is "public" based on a youtube video that he found regarding the method. I claimed that I found the method on my own, and was unaware of the youtube video that was released regarding the method. The youtube video was quite hidden and hard to find, since it only had 5,000 views. To be able to find this method, one must KNOW the details of the method in order to search for it. Runescape is a virtual reality, and there are obviously limits to how can make money. I spend a long time in Runescape searching for methods on my own (I have sold over three money making guides here on Sythe without complaints). So my reasoning is, the guide that I am selling is all made by me. The guide is completely written by myself only, and searching the guide on Google will come up with 0 results since I was the one who wrote it and kept it privately. When Sneaky Fish5 first purchased the guide, he was very pleased with what he received. He did not know of the method before hand, and received the profit that I promised in the guide.

He even left a vouch/review regarding the guide he purchased:


So Sneaky Fish5 calling me a scammer is a bit of an exaggeration in my opinion. As a customer, he was looking for a method that was unsaturated and promising of the profit made per hour. I gave him everything that I promised within the guide, and he seemed very pleased at first.

However, Sneaky Fish5 recently claimed that I was scamming since he found the method on the internet. The internet is a huge place, and there are only so many things to do in Runescape. I stick by my claim that this method is not known by the majority of the Runescape public, since #1 there is not a public script or premium script out there for this method, and #2 there is no youtube video promoting this method as a money making method. There is the single video (with 5,000 views) that walks you through this method, but it does not advertise it as a money making method whatsoever.

In order for me to be accused of scamming, I have to be cheating someone or stealing from someone else's work of some kind. Based on Sneaky Fish5's original opinion of the method, he seemed to have been making the money that was promised and enjoying the profits of the guide to its full extent. If this method was "public", Sneaky Fish5 would already know about it and there would be dozens of scripts and videos about this method.

To any moderator or admin reviewing this thread, I am able to send you a copy of the guide I wrote for reviewing purposes.

Like I said, I have been selling guides here on Sythe for a long time, and have stayed within my limits and thoroughly read the rules:
Guide DNS List
RuneScape Guide Rules, Guidelines and Advice

As I stated here:

Didn't know that you weren't allowed to sell public methods until I had a look at the sticky/asked a friend

This is why I was happy with the method, didn't bother to look up if it was public

 

[DylanRS]

As I am a victim of this, I feel that I can comment on this.

Never before has a guide like this been released to ALL members of the community, whether it be the average player or a gold farmer. This guide is extremely exclusive and well-written, and can be found on no other site other than Sythe.

House Plank Maker - Use Your butler to make 3700+ planks per hour
Do I need to say anymore?

 

[Mandingo]

As I stated here:


This is why I was happy with the method, didn't bother to look up if it was public

If it was public wouldn't you know about it?

Definitions of public:
done, perceived, or existing in open view.
ordinary people in general; the community.

If it was public, everyone would know about it, and it would be widely seen.

 

[Sneaky]

If it was public wouldn't you know about it?

Definitions of public:
done, perceived, or existing in open view.
ordinary people in general; the community.

If it was public, everyone would know about it, and it would be widely seen.

No by public I perceive it as something anyone can see. I'm pretty sure this is what is meant by the sticky too unless I missed something.

 

[Mandingo]

@DylanRS

Page 2 of Powerbot public scripts (as in people don't see it or use it)
And the script itself never even worked.

I stand by my quote when I say there is no public/premium script for this method out there.

 

[Sneaky]

@DylanRS

Page 2 of Powerbot public scripts (as in people don't see it or use it)
And the script itself never even worked.

I stand by my quote when I say there is no public/premium script for this method out there.

But your not selling a script, your selling a method.

 

[Mandingo]

No by public I perceive it as something anyone can see. I'm pretty sure this is what is meant by the sticky too unless I missed something.

Anything can be found on the internet if you search deep enough. If you are looking for a method that NOBODY knows, that is quite impossible. The internet is bigger than you think @Sneaky Fish5, and by public, my definition of public is something SEEN by the RS community. I would consider public methods the ones that you find when you youtube Money Making Guides, or the ones on the DNS list. The fact that you did not know about the method before the guide shows that 1. The guide was useful to you 2. The guide is not public

 

[Mandingo]

But your not selling a script, your selling a method.

If you can connect the dots, if there are no public/premium scripts for that method, there is a higher chance that the method is in fact, unknown.

 

[DylanRS]

This "Unknown" method has 51 replies on Powerbot, and this is the person that said that selling above 5 of this script would cause havoc on the market.
EDIT: Also has 4,953 views of botters looking to make a profit.

 

[Sneaky]

But it shouldnt be THAT easy to find, all it took was a quick search on google and I was done. Anyways, gonna let mods handle this from now on

 

streamers literally do this on twitch lol

 

[Mandingo]

Good method overall, but when I tried to bot this (private script) I got banned within 2 hours on both accounts (separated and different IP's), other than that, this is a good money making guide

Vouch bought his method, very nice

I don't watch streamers on twitch, but if they did do this often on twitch, it would be far fetched to consider it common knowledge since I did not find this on twitch, nor did DylanRS or Sneaky Fish5. And seeing as if no one who has purchased my guide claimed that this was to be found on twitch, I would not consider twitch as a common source to be able to find this method.

It seems that DylanRS and Sneakyfish5 are very dissatisfied that they purchased the method, yet when I first showed it to both of them, they were extremely pleased with the results.

@DylanRS : You state that a ton of people already know about the method and that it is public. If there is no working public script out for the method, and you have to SEARCH for the script on back pages of powerbot that don't even work - it makes no sense on why you would call it a public method.

@Sneaky Fish5 : You claim that I am breaking the rules and scamming members of this community. Can you go through the rules of guide selling and point specifically to which rule I am breaking?