Atheists Owned
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He acts like he totally knows what hes talking about and that his argument is the end-all-beat-all, this guy is 21, he has no PHD's or Doctorates, he is not a scientist with a telescope or a laboratory with years of experience, he is not a priest or monk who has devoted his life to studying scripture, he is a kid taking lots of outlandish, ultra broad, hard to grasp concepts like infinity and eternity, adding a dash of god and a pinch of facts, and then saying he is the shit for cooking this up and everyone should bow down and kiss his balls. Well i wont, but you can. I have nothing against religion, but this guy is a dumbass.
If he went to school, i dont care if its some religious school or harvard, for 10 years and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on an education, maybe id give a shit what he has to say, because he would KNOW what hes talking about, and not just be taking random factoids he finds on the internet and making an 8-minute video about how much he owns atheists.
If he went to school, i dont care if its some religious school or harvard, for 10 years and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on an education, maybe id give a shit what he has to say, because he would KNOW what hes talking about, and not just be taking random factoids he finds on the internet and making an 8-minute video about how much he owns atheists.
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hmm nice explaining
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ti_mmy2
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Lets turn this around, Shawn Gets OWNED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycjb2jJpd0Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR_YdLJt83U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVzPwZRANUg
Shawn is a very narrowed thinker who makes generalizations and conclusions without thinking of what he is talking about. I'm not taking sides here i'm just giving you the other view of this topic. I care to keep my beliefs to myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycjb2jJpd0Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR_YdLJt83U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVzPwZRANUg
Shawn is a very narrowed thinker who makes generalizations and conclusions without thinking of what he is talking about. I'm not taking sides here i'm just giving you the other view of this topic. I care to keep my beliefs to myself.
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I don't like atheists anymore than the next person. I am completely agnostic to all religion.
Aside from the obvious flaw that he is using completely subjective abstract concepts for his argument, in an objective and unreal way, here is the flaw in his logic:
To measure anything you must have a starting point and an ending point. The ending point can be infinite theoretically, but the starting point must be finite.
You cannot have a timeline with infinity in both directions without a starting point somewhere in the middle. Otherwise how would you know that both directions were infinite? You need somewhere to measure from to verify they were infinite. Thus making the timeline impossible; for the starting point to exist, an infinity must have passed before it. Given that you can have no point in time, from which to measure time in either direction, either eternity cannot exist, or we cannot measure. Given this conclusion how can we apply it to something or claim that it does exist?
Aside from this logical contradiction I will point out my thoughts on the matter.
Time is a human measurement of rate of change. Without any change around us, there is no time. If you take away the night and the day, the ticking of clocks, the beating of the heart and breathing then you are left with nothing, no change. Time ceases to exist, because time is only a scientific measurement of change. No change = no time.
This whole problem of time and the universe needs to be considered from a practical perspective. Do you remember a time before you couldn't remember anything? Of course you don't. Humans have an understanding of finites because we work with finites. There is no reason to assume anything is truly infinite because it would be impossible to measure in order to prove it was infinite. Therefore infinity remains an abstract an unreal concept.
Based on the evidence around us I feel safe saying everything is finite. And if anything were to be infinite, it would be impossible for me to know that it was infinite with 100% certainty and therefore could only be an assumption at best.
Just like all religions I would need faith that infinity can exist.
Aside from the obvious flaw that he is using completely subjective abstract concepts for his argument, in an objective and unreal way, here is the flaw in his logic:
To measure anything you must have a starting point and an ending point. The ending point can be infinite theoretically, but the starting point must be finite.
You cannot have a timeline with infinity in both directions without a starting point somewhere in the middle. Otherwise how would you know that both directions were infinite? You need somewhere to measure from to verify they were infinite. Thus making the timeline impossible; for the starting point to exist, an infinity must have passed before it. Given that you can have no point in time, from which to measure time in either direction, either eternity cannot exist, or we cannot measure. Given this conclusion how can we apply it to something or claim that it does exist?
Aside from this logical contradiction I will point out my thoughts on the matter.
Time is a human measurement of rate of change. Without any change around us, there is no time. If you take away the night and the day, the ticking of clocks, the beating of the heart and breathing then you are left with nothing, no change. Time ceases to exist, because time is only a scientific measurement of change. No change = no time.
This whole problem of time and the universe needs to be considered from a practical perspective. Do you remember a time before you couldn't remember anything? Of course you don't. Humans have an understanding of finites because we work with finites. There is no reason to assume anything is truly infinite because it would be impossible to measure in order to prove it was infinite. Therefore infinity remains an abstract an unreal concept.
Based on the evidence around us I feel safe saying everything is finite. And if anything were to be infinite, it would be impossible for me to know that it was infinite with 100% certainty and therefore could only be an assumption at best.
Just like all religions I would need faith that infinity can exist.
And thats where faith comes in doesn't it?
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Faith is a cop-out. The people whom made the stories about God had no evidence to back themself up, so they used "faith" as a scapegoat.
The guy who made that video, VenomFangX is a complete moron. Look at this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8ilg9xYZk4.
Seeing as we're engaging in communication like a standard internet-loser, I'll play along: ROFL OWNED.
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1. Nothing + god = Everything?
2. Everything + a certain amount of time = still everything.
How came everything from nothing there? [1]
I don't know... (no answer, no reason, nothing...) (religious people claim it was god [Wich we call faith])
How came everything there, before the certain amount of time? [2]
We still don't know... (no answer, no reason, nothing...) (atheists claim it was the bigbang)
The bigbang and god are some kinda the same (no answer, no reason, nothing...).
But there was never proof of the bigbang (scientist just believe it had to be like this), and their is no reason of god either (only religious people claim this)
So we are right back from where we started! So if you are an atheist or a religious guy, we will never know the answer... It is impossible to proof God created the universe, nor he didn't created it. [Wich they call faith, but! atheist believe that there always was something ]
So the guy's vid isn't correct, because he didn't solve bought these questions, when you solve both questions, then you explain the existince of god, and not earlier. And I believe we will never hear a perfect explanation for the existince of god. So just drop the topic, and keep going with you're life!
2. Everything + a certain amount of time = still everything.
How came everything from nothing there? [1]
I don't know... (no answer, no reason, nothing...) (religious people claim it was god [Wich we call faith])
How came everything there, before the certain amount of time? [2]
We still don't know... (no answer, no reason, nothing...) (atheists claim it was the bigbang)
The bigbang and god are some kinda the same (no answer, no reason, nothing...).
But there was never proof of the bigbang (scientist just believe it had to be like this), and their is no reason of god either (only religious people claim this)
So we are right back from where we started! So if you are an atheist or a religious guy, we will never know the answer... It is impossible to proof God created the universe, nor he didn't created it. [Wich they call faith, but! atheist believe that there always was something ]
So the guy's vid isn't correct, because he didn't solve bought these questions, when you solve both questions, then you explain the existince of god, and not earlier. And I believe we will never hear a perfect explanation for the existince of god. So just drop the topic, and keep going with you're life!
FUCK YOU everyone is entitled 2 wat they belive, so shut ur fuckin mouth boi, if someone wants 2 b satanist, let them, if someone wats 2 b christan let them mane. So quit jibber jabbering fool
Wow this guy is a complete idiot. This whole video is the basic "God of the Gaps" argument. It is pretty much the the only so-called scientific attempt that can be made for the existence of a God, although it really isn't scientific at all. I agree with him on the fact that the universe cannot be eternal as in not having a beginning, but from there he assumes the rest based on what he wants to be true. He seems to forgo most mention of the beginning of the universe, and simply assumes that it was created. Today, we don't know for sure how the universe began, and thus the gaps of knowledge come into play. The only seemingly-viable way of saying that God must have created the universe is to slide him into those gaps. This is exactly what he does, while of course making fallacious statements to make it seem possible. For instance, he says that God is unchanging because he is outside of time. Riiiiight. If God never changes, then how did he go from not creating the universe to creating the universe? Was he always creating the universe? Is he still creating the universe? Theres just too much to have to infer. Eventually, it all comes down to faith, the basic religious cop-out. In closing, heres a funny little joke:
Christianity:
The belief that a cosmic Jew Zombie who is his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
Christianity:
The belief that a cosmic Jew Zombie who is his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
God dammit you guys are worthless fuck bags. Targus and Sythe have already expressed some of my thoughts but I'm going to repeat a few of them anyway.
This kid is 21. He probably took a couple physics classes in college and came up with some ideas and now he thinks he's tough shit. Nearly everything he discusses in the video are just abstract concepts, none of that was proof, you all are just too willfully ignorant to accept it. I'm sorry that your god made you fucking retarded, I guess it can't be helped.
I'm sorry that I'm going off but I'm sick of all the ignorance that floats around in these religious debates, and it's your own damn fault. You need to step back and actually think about the fucking information before you go around acting like you've just discovered the meaning of life.
Also, he contradicted himself in the video, if you didn't notice. He claims God is eternal and never changes, that goes against the Bible. In the Old Testament god was a pissed off mother fucker, he killed people all the fucking time, go read it some time. Then Jesus comes and all of a sudden he turns into a fucking hippie. Guess what, that's change.
Look at it this way, if this was not just an abstract theory, this wouldn't be a poorly made video on fucking Youtube, if this was actually the solution to man's on going debate about religion it would be a big deal.
Yet you guys hear this dude throw around a few big words, and simply because you agree with his point of view you accept it. All because your own friends and family fucked you up as a kid, brainwashing you with this bullshit.
I'm not even a fucking atheist, it's just as stupid. "Atheist" shouldn't even be a word, seeing as how you have to acknowledge something before you claim you don't believe in it. We don't have a word for people who don't believe in unicorns, we don't need one for people who don't believe in god.
So with all the shit I've been talking I bet you guys are wondering if I have any answers, and guess what. I don't. I accept my ignorance. I'm smart enough to realize that I'm dumb enough to be just as clueless as everyone else, you guys think you know but deep down you don't, It's all bullshit that's been fed to you by people like this guy in the video; and you guys encourage it.
But if theres one thing I'd be willing to bet on, it's that if there is a god, he isn't going to be the image of any of the prominent religions these days... Organized religion is debunked by a single factor; fucking geography. I know most of you are like 12, but allow me to explain - If you are one of those religious folk, with a few rare exceptions, your religion is determined by the area in which you are born, I'm sure if we brought out some statistics, it would be probable that 100% of the people claiming to be Christians on this forum would have turned out Muslim if born in the middle east.
This post is probably out of line, and I know it. I try to stay away from these things because it gets me way too worked up. If I offended anyone I apologize.
This kid is 21. He probably took a couple physics classes in college and came up with some ideas and now he thinks he's tough shit. Nearly everything he discusses in the video are just abstract concepts, none of that was proof, you all are just too willfully ignorant to accept it. I'm sorry that your god made you fucking retarded, I guess it can't be helped.
I'm sorry that I'm going off but I'm sick of all the ignorance that floats around in these religious debates, and it's your own damn fault. You need to step back and actually think about the fucking information before you go around acting like you've just discovered the meaning of life.
Also, he contradicted himself in the video, if you didn't notice. He claims God is eternal and never changes, that goes against the Bible. In the Old Testament god was a pissed off mother fucker, he killed people all the fucking time, go read it some time. Then Jesus comes and all of a sudden he turns into a fucking hippie. Guess what, that's change.
Look at it this way, if this was not just an abstract theory, this wouldn't be a poorly made video on fucking Youtube, if this was actually the solution to man's on going debate about religion it would be a big deal.
Yet you guys hear this dude throw around a few big words, and simply because you agree with his point of view you accept it. All because your own friends and family fucked you up as a kid, brainwashing you with this bullshit.
I'm not even a fucking atheist, it's just as stupid. "Atheist" shouldn't even be a word, seeing as how you have to acknowledge something before you claim you don't believe in it. We don't have a word for people who don't believe in unicorns, we don't need one for people who don't believe in god.
So with all the shit I've been talking I bet you guys are wondering if I have any answers, and guess what. I don't. I accept my ignorance. I'm smart enough to realize that I'm dumb enough to be just as clueless as everyone else, you guys think you know but deep down you don't, It's all bullshit that's been fed to you by people like this guy in the video; and you guys encourage it.
But if theres one thing I'd be willing to bet on, it's that if there is a god, he isn't going to be the image of any of the prominent religions these days... Organized religion is debunked by a single factor; fucking geography. I know most of you are like 12, but allow me to explain - If you are one of those religious folk, with a few rare exceptions, your religion is determined by the area in which you are born, I'm sure if we brought out some statistics, it would be probable that 100% of the people claiming to be Christians on this forum would have turned out Muslim if born in the middle east.
This post is probably out of line, and I know it. I try to stay away from these things because it gets me way too worked up. If I offended anyone I apologize.
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First, let me say that I myself are a christian, so Im no athiest commenting on this. I have thought this too before; that people should just believe in any religion just in case there is a real religion. But I have re-thought that because you cannot do that. Ok, think about it, if someone who didn't believe in God, said "Hmm, I decide to be a christian because just in case, i won't go to hell." You can't fake a religion whether or not people know about it. If someone faked Christianity, God won't allow him into heaven because he didn't really believe the things he has done.
Now don't get me wrong, I know there are some people who didn't believe in god, and actually want to start believing. Im not talking about them.
Edit: I just thought about what ughster said. That video was kind of contradicting things.
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ti_mmy2
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the videos i posted, have much greater evidence than shawns, this kid is just trying to convert so he suposedly can go to heaven (typical anglican)
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haha lmao cool 
