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[Mootrucks]

@Mootrucks can you provide osbuddy levels for this acc?

[325+ Vouches] Selling Maxed 40 Attack F2P Pure [$300+ Donor]

@Rael trained that, i'll ask him.

 

@Dave we cant possibly tell who got the account banned.

One person says one thing , the other says another thing. It's all pointing fingers.

I suggest a 50% refund for @Gun

Will be waiting on Dave's input.

 

[Mootrucks]

Why would I give any sort of refund when the account was in his possession when it was banned? @Excelont

What a silly suggestion, I suggest you use your brain.

Edit - Just to clarify, I would not give Gun a cent.

 

[Gun]

Why would I give any sort of refund when the account was in his possession when it was banned? @Excelont

What a silly suggestion, I suggest you use your brain.

Edit - Just to clarify, I would not give Gun a cent.

Because it was you and your friend's actions that led to this issue. Man up and take blame for what you have done.

 

Going to leave this to the current mods working on this but as someone who has botted quite frequently on both RS3 and 07 - some accounts are banned within a few hours of botting, it is very possible Gun botted over night and it got banned in the morning, it has happened to me multiple times. Even when I had membership on the account.

 

[Gun]

Going to leave this to the current mods working on this but as someone who has botted quite frequently on both RS3 and 07 - I've botted on both RS3 and 07 and some accounts are banned within a few hours of botting, it is very possible Gun botted over night and it got banned in the morning, it has happened to me multiple times. Even when I had membership on the account.

I have never botted in my fucking life, and have never been banned. You're all skeptic fucks. I literally came home, logged in once he game me the info, stole a zerker neck from @BumBum and went to bed. Got home from work the next day and it was banned. The only thing i had to do on the account at the moment was slayer which u cant even bot.. I literally fucking hate all of you for how this situation is playing out you ignorant fucks.

 

Mootrucks claims that this account was hand trained except for training performed by @Agwa which is unknown. Mootrucks alleges is the first time he has used @Agwa to train part of an account.

As I understand it Jagex generally does delayed banning thesedays. Can the mods please find out how common it is to be banned within 24 hours of botting on 07? Further can you track down @Agwa and find out if he admits to training by botting. Find out if any other accounts hes trained have been banned for macroing shortly after changing hands.

 

[Mootrucks]

Mootrucks claims that this account was hand trained except for training performed by @Agwa which is unknown. Mootrucks alleges is the first time he has used @Agwa to train part of an account.

As I understand it Jagex generally does delayed banning thesedays. Can the mods please find out how common it is to be banned within 24 hours of botting on 07? Further can you track down @Agwa and find out if he admits to training by botting. Find out if any other accounts hes trained have been banned for macroing shortly after changing hands.

Lets not take away the possibility of Gun logging into rs3 and botting as well, appreciate the response though.

 

[Gun]

Lets not take away the possibility of Gun logging into rs3 and botting as well, appreciate the response though.

Is that honestly a fucking joke? I would never even touch that horrid game. Youre looking at this like a fucking conspiracy theory when in reality it is clearly something that happened on your end.

 

[Mootrucks]

Is that honestly a fucking joke? I would never even touch that horrid game. Youre looking at this like a fucking conspiracy theory when in reality it is clearly something that happened on your end.

It's not a joke, I don't know what you did.

 

[Gun]

So seeing as it was not a manual ban, you are trying to tell me that in 13 hours (a majority of that being time jagex is not in-office), the system monitored your acc, determined it was using 3rd party software, a j-mod manually reviewed it and then the system banned it? You're all fucking lunatics. Read the ban description. You fucked up in the recent past and the account got dinged for your mistake.

 

[Mootrucks]

So seeing as it was not a manual ban, you are trying to tell me that in 13 hours (a majority of that being time jagex is not in-office), the system monitored your acc, determined it was using 3rd party software, a j-mod manually reviewed it and then the system banned it? You're all fucking lunatics. Read the ban description. You fucked up in the recent past and the account got dinged for your mistake.

Would you like to prove that or do you want to continue spewing bullshit? Anyways going to bed.

 

[Gun]

Would you like to prove that or do you want to continue spewing bullshit? Anyways going to bed.

It's literally in the description of the ban. If it was manual it would say so.

 

[Mootrucks]

It's literally in the description of the ban. If it was manual it would say so.

Not sure what your point is, the account was in your possession, I fail to see you being in capable of getting the account banned.

 

[Gun]

You're honestly reaching so hard, what are you trying to protect?

You think I took a $160 risk just to take a poke at you? Purposely getting an account that I have been trying to purchase for a bit now banned in hopes that I get my money back? What are you fucking stupid?

You gave access to multiple people.

You cannot account for their actions.

You are responsible, period.

 

[Mootrucks]

You're honestly reaching so hard, what are you trying to protect?

You think I took a $160 risk just to take a poke at you? Purposely getting an account that I have been trying to purchase for a bit now banned in hopes that I get my money back? What are you fucking stupid?

You gave access to multiple people.

You cannot account for their actions.

You are responsible, period.

I'm not responsible for an account that was already sold, not to mention the fact that the guy did the training 5 months ago, i'm not sure about you but I don't think a ban would be delayed 5 months? Literally a day after the account was sold to you and this has happened.

 

[malakadang]

You haven't read my previous reply thoroughly if that's what you came up with. This is why consumer protection laws exist. If it was simply, "your posession, your problem", then faulty products would be swarmed everywhere.

To be fair, those consumer protection laws say that if the consumer is the cause of the fault, the guarantee is void (at least in Australia) [although if the good was supplied with a pre-existing fault, then even if the consumer triggered it, the supplier is still liable].

Ya'll are slinging mud now for no reason - no progress will be made until Sythe's questions are answered:

1. Did Agwa hand-train it fully or only partially?
   • If he didn't hand-train it fully, and the representation was that the account was 'hand-trained', then a full-refund should be in order as the account supplied did not match the description.
2. How long does it take Jagex to ban accounts - what is the process?
   • If in most cases Jagex takes longer than 24 hours, then that suggests on balance, it is more probable that the account was botted on prior to sale, and that is all that Gun needs to point to to satisfy his burden on a balance of probabilities. If Jagex not irregularly bans accounts within a few hour of botting, then Gun will need to do more to satisfy his burden.

Any other comments, without answering those questions, such as X could have done this, or Y could have done that is just plain verbal diarrhea.

 

[Gun]

To be fair, those consumer protection laws say that if the consumer is the cause of the fault, the guarantee is void (at least in Australia) [although if the good was supplied with a pre-existing fault, then even if the consumer triggered it, the supplier is still liable].

Ya'll are slinging mud now for no reason - no progress will be made until Sythe's questions are answered:

1. Did Agwa hand-train it fully or only partially?
   • If he didn't hand-train it fully, and the representation was that the account was 'hand-trained', then a full-refund should be in order as the account supplied did not match the description.
2. How long does it take Jagex to ban accounts - what is the process?
   • If in most cases Jagex takes longer than 24 hours, then that suggests on balance, it is more probable that the account was botted on prior to sale, and that is all that Gun needs to point to to satisfy his burden on a balance of probabilities. If Jagex not irregularly bans accounts within a few hour of botting, then Gun will need to do more to satisfy his burden.

Any other comments, without answering those questions, such as X could have done this, or Y could have done that is just plain verbal diarrhea.

I truly just want to know the logic on how I had time to buy a script since I didn't actively play prior, download the client, set it up, enable it. When i didn't even have time to change the pw or email before I went off to sleep.

Anyone who knows me will attest that I'm probably not even capable of setting that shit up. Why would I spend $160 just to destroy/risk an account? $160 would have given me 40 opportunities to bot it myself without the $160 expenditure. I've been trying to buy one of these accs for weeks once my DNT ran up, Why would i not have just invested $4 into a bond and done it myself in that time frame rather than waiting it out just to bot it at the end?

Like can someone please just look at this fucking rationally.

 

Lets not take away the possibility of Gun logging into rs3 and botting as well, appreciate the response though.

It seems quite unlikely someone would pay a premium for an already trained account and then risk it by botting it.

The reason Jagex introduced delayed bans is so that you don't know which script/bot got you banned. Therefore it also seems unlikely that the macro ban was due to any new behaviour in the final 24 hours leading up to the ban.

 

[malakadang]

I truly just want to know the logic on how I had time to buy a script since I didn't actively play prior, download the client, set it up, enable it. When i didn't even have time to change the pw or email before I went off to sleep.

Anyone who knows me will attest that I'm probably not even capable of setting that shit up. Why would I spend $160 just to destroy/risk an account? $160 would have given me 40 opportunities to bot it myself without the $160 expenditure. I've been trying to buy one of these accs for weeks once my DNT ran up, Why would i not have just invested $4 into a bond and done it myself in that time frame rather than waiting it out just to bot it at the end?

Like can someone please just look at this fucking rationally.

I get where you're coming from, though I think what you may or may not have done is a third consideration. Best to deal with 1 and 2 first, and then consider everything together.