Dispute on Maldesto

[Thanatos]

Scammer's profile link: Maldesto

How they scammed: So on the 6th of June I purchased $100 donator, as advised by the user Dbuffed, this was due to it being cheaper in the long run as I'm not a botter and I needed it to become a verified servicer. A Few months later I received the rank and all was good. I became inactive a little but was still thinking I was welcome in the community. Everyone on OSbot knows I like to do a little Youtube and I just started streaming, so everyone really knew my RSN which was an account that's never botted. - and the cc that I run ingame. Lately I've been getting spammed in game by Moderators and those who are affiliated closely i.e good friends with a moderator of osbot, I confront them and they lash out at me so I leave the chatbox.

Early Morning on the 17/11/2016 Decode, a newly appointed Global Moderator and also an old friend of mine started spamming me, my cc, and my twitch channel constantly, and as anyone would do I got fed up with them stating that it was all for the 'banter'. I make a PUBLIC thread calling the users out on what they were doing to me as I was not having it. (They've done this to multiple other users, one quitting most forms of social media from what they did to him and the other obviously was banned by mald [Dbuffed])

This Public Thread was not 'harassment' it was me calling them out for harassing me, Decode tried to use 'harassment' rule to delete my threads, so I reposted as;
A. Doesn't count to Post Count
B. Isn't causing mass spam as the threads are being deleted beforehand so are unavailable for the public to see.

I wanted to show the users of OSbot what this moderator was doing for Maldesto to improve his opinions on staff as it's a business, and Decode is a staff member who represents the reputation and face of the site.

I can truly say I did go overboard a little, but it did not warrant a permanent ban.

This dispute is for me and Savage (another user who was banned because of this to get refunds of our purchases)

Both of us had Lifetime Sponsors which are worth $124.99 and without a valid reason ban.



Proof that it's their Skype: Maldesto blocked me on skype (was not done over skype)

Skype profile ID & conversation pictures:

Other relevant trade screenshots:

https://i.gyazo.com/0bbb1eba2a77a44712ecee298e8c0e07.gif Paypal showing I purchased $100 Donator, and then purchased voucher for the rest to upgrade to Lifetime Sponsor.


https://s22.postimg.org/meyfxhs0h/lols.png Original Post I made

http://i.imgur.com/Po53zIc.png Savages Signature after they deleted my thread, Decode stated himself he wouldn't delete the threads if names were blocked out and so Savage blocked out and added to his signature.

https://i.gyazo.com/5c819be38519d9decda31d3898ec81b1.png Savages Screenshot of Note for ban.

https://i.gyazo.com/db6d73c891290354abc132c6831bab56.png My Screenshot of Note for ban.

This does not warrant a permenant ban, obviously mods on here can't enforce Maldesto to do anything as it's offsite but this is not right. Maldesto knew that I don't hold back already, with me speaking how I truly feel to him directly.

The amount of shady shit I've seen done on this site is actually quite astonishing, and I have a few records of what happens via staff feeding information to a corrupt administrator. I do not want unbanned. But I'm not having this shit of you stealing my money for an unjustified ban.

And by the way you can't hide behind that I contacted your wife as I didn't.

Maldesto this is a scumbag move, you said once to me that I could not get a refund because it's a business, this is not how a business runs and I am unhappy with my product.

Once again if this ban was for a few days I'd understand why, but for a permanent ban to talking out about what a staff member is doing to me is not right.

There may be some things I missed so I apologies I just can't think of anything more right now besides me and a few other members got into an argument in spam section which has very low amount of rules as it is.

In the end decode banned me from posting for a day which was fair enough as there was a lot of flaming but then Maldesto goes to the extreme and basically says: you know what? Fuck your donation to the website which keeps us afloat you paid for this and not getting our services.

 

[Deximal]

Posting this on behalf of Maldesto:

He was accusing staff of intentionally ratting, and breaking rules we won't be refunding him. And a dispute against me because he gets banned is ridiculous. We have a tos and rules for a reason they can't just break them and expect to get around a ban because they open a dispute. He is unbanned but permanently restricted from posting due to his language and harassment.

Edit: this applies to both you and savage.

Some evidence (there are more posts like this):

Spoiler

 

[slavel0lo]

Firstly, Jonny was not speaking on my behalf, he was simply posting some content provided by me.

Secondly, hi Dex/Maldesto, I sincerely apologise for the misunderstanding as I have no intention of requesting a refund or forwarding an appeal to/from such corrupt scumbags that work from the team at OSBot, I will be contacting my bank to revoke all payments sent to the company.

As for the "He was accusing staff of intentionally ratting"
You clearly have no idea what I was saying in that post, so why are you commenting on it?
I was saying that Graham (as i addressed him: Gay-ham) the admin of Recklesspk was a scumbag and probably infected the client himself.
As far as I am aware, this person has no affiliation with OSBot or the OSBot staff team, so your accusations are on very pointless grounds.

As for your grounds on harassment and/or hate speech, if you take a look at the rules on OSBot (especially for the spam/off topic section of which these "offences" were posted in) shown below...:

(Spam/off topic section)

(Global forum rules) (I would link offsite, however I'm unsure if this is allowed)

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Community,


These rules are to be followed at all times by all staff members, sponsors, VIPs, Script Developers, and all other community members. No one is above rule breaking.
Breaking any rule can cause your account to be infracted or permanentely suspended of OSBot.


Rules


1. Offensive Language/Harassment

There is to be nothing posted, said, or linked on the forum or live chat that could be seen as offensive by other members of the community. This includes, but is not limited to:


> Discrimination in any way, including sex, religion, race or ethnicity, nationality, sexual preference, or spiritual beliefs;
> Comments intended to hurt another member;
> Any dis-respect towards other members of this community;

This rule also applies to media.

Harassing other members of the community, including staff members, is unacceptable and will result in 2 warnings point if after a verbal warning you continue to provoke/bother said individual, this includes hate threads, disrespectful PM's on the forum and skype, constant spamming on the other members topics etc...



2. Excessive Spamming

No posts to be made that is completely unrelated to the topic or does not benefit the direct cause of the topic. We are lenient and will allow joking and mild trolling, however if done excessively with absolute derogatory intent there will be punishment. Bumping your thread without using the bump button is seen as excessive spamming as well.

Double posts are not allowed, and will be removed. Excessive double posting will result in an warning or infraction.


3. Advertising

It is not allowed to post any URL to another community, commercial website, or bot. Doing so will result in a warning. Excessively spamming of an URL will result in an immediate suspension of your account.


4. Personal Information/Hate threads

No personal information of other member's is allowed to be posted on the forum, even with their permission. They must post it themselves if they wish for it to be. This includes, but is not limited to:


> Names;
> Personal photos;
> Instant Messaging;
> Phone numbers;
> Addresses;
> E-mails;
> Name relations from other communities or anywhere else;

Nothing is to be created that is directed towards a certain member or staff-member of the community in a hatred way. This will not be tolerated and will result in a suspension, if not permanent ban.



5. Pornographic Content

No media, content, or talk will be posted regarding pornographic content. This means that no nudity is to be shown anywhere on the forum and talking about certain sites will result in a warning.


6. Gravedigging

Gravedigging, posting in an old thread, is not tolerated without proper reason. A post is considered as gravedigging when the last reply is atleast two weeks old.


7. Client Links

OSBot's client link is not to be posted anywhere on this community, any other community, or otherwise made downloadable without the direct permission from OSBot. This is our property, and legal action can be taken if re-distributed.


8. Script Sales

Selling and buying of scripts is only permitted through our official store. Donations for projects are allowed, however they cannot be required. It should be made clear that the donations are going towards you for development and do not benefit OSBot directly. Authentication systems, script loaders, and distribution systems need prior approval from any Admin and/or Developer. These types of miscellaneous software are reviewed on a case-by-case basis and may be audited/reassessed at any point in time.

Selling a single copy of a private script to a single person is tolerated. Releasing a private script a customer paid for to the public is also not allowed. Selling multiple copies of a private script will result in a permanent ban when caught for the script writer and the customers (if the customers are aware). Any way to get around this rule will be considered as "selling a private script" (Ex. Receving a percentage payment based on the users profit obtained by the script). The staff will not assist in any disputes with regards to private script transactions.


9. Script Content

If you use someone else's work, you must have permission from them and must give full credit to their Intellectual Property. This is not just an OSBot rule, but is also illegal. Claiming someone else's script work as your own is a federal offense.


10. Malicious Content

No content that contains malware, trojans, or viruses is to be posted anywhere on the forum. This includes direct intent to DDoS another member of our community, any other community, or any other website. This will result in a temporary ban, or IP ban depending on the situation; further action may be taken, as this is also a federal offense.


11. Feedbacks

False feedback for the Trader Feedback System is not allowed. Feedback is also meant to be unique. This means that a single user can not give the same user multiple feedback in an unjust way to abuse the system. An example of this is buying/selling back to the same person over and over or trading in small increments and counting them as separate feedback. This can result in a full feedback reset or a ban.

It is allowed to receive feedback for a service, as long as the service was either paid or there was risk involved. An example for risk is doing a firecape service for someone, on an account that contains more than 1M RS3 GP or 07 GP. As we are aimed particularly at the RuneScape market, you are only allowed to give or receive feedback for graphics if there is at least $1 worth of goods (based off of common transfer rates) transacted. Feedback for free product will not be allowed. For further clarification on this rule, read here http://osbot.org/forum/topic/47264-feedback-rule-change/

If you use a middleman you may give him feedback but the middleman himself is not allowed to give feedback.


12. Market

It is not allowed to tear apart a market thread. If someone wants to sell an account for $50, then it is not needed to post things like 'too expensive, wouldn't even buy for $20'. It is rude and unwanted. If you're not interested, then simply don't reply.


13. Criticism Rule

If a staff member has made a decision that you feel is in some way incorrect or abusive, please report it to Maldesto via private message. Please do not make a thread about the staff member in question, as this can cause minor chaos in the community.


14. Your Forum Account

Making numerous accounts to bypass our VIP system is not allowed. If you are found doing this you will be banned on all alternate accounts even if you have premium scripts. If you are caught doing it after receiving a ban on the alternate accounts you will receive an IP ban. You are also not allowed to share your forum account. This is not accepted and will result in a permanent ban. The use of Proxies/VPNs on the forum is prohibited. If you are using a VPN/Proxy that is linked to a banned member, you will be banned. Therefore we advise you to only use your own, real, IP address.


15. Name Changing

You are not allowed to abuse the ability to change your forum name. This includes but is not limited to offensive names, replicating another users name (ex: ja5on or Jays0n), or inappropriate names. Violation of this rule will result in you losing your ability to change your name and your username will be reverted back to your login name.


16. Language

This is an English only forum, you are free to use whatever language you want in private chat or personal messenger.





Warning Type Warning Point(s)
Excessive Spamming 1
Gravedigging 1
False feedback 1
Offensive Language / Harassment 2
Advertisement 2
Offensive Media 2
Malicious Content 10
Scamming 10


Market Rules



The general market rules can be found here.



Dispute Rules


Note: Failure to follow them will result an in infraction and/or ban.


You may only post if you are:


>Original poster of the topic.

>The person under dispute.

>Involved in the trade and/or can provide valuable evidence.

>Have permission from a staff member.


Infractions


Note: The following infractions will automaticly be given by the system, when you reach a certain amount of warning points.



Infraction Warning Points
1 Day suspension 5
3 Days suspension 7
Permanent ban 10


These rules can be changed at any time at Administrator discretion to punish you for any reason said Administrator sees fit.



Thanks for reading,
Maldesto & the OSBot team. Credits to Raflesia for this layout.

... You would see that indeed I am following the guidelines of that locations my posts were made.

If you have evidence suggesting otherwise, I request that you post it here, otherwise from what I gather, Maldesto has banned me on unfair grounds, resulting in him giving me 10 points for my actions ultimately resulting in a permanent removal from the site.
Yes, I do see that "These rules can be changed at any time at Administrator discretion to punish you for any reason said Administrator sees fit." at the bottom, my intention is not to appeal and or request a refund (as stated above).

Thanks for taking the time to read my post, I hope everyone can take all this in and see how corrupt this site/staff is.

 

I am sorry for posting here, but I feel only right as my name keeps being tarnished from third parties (not myself or given permission to actually keep involving/mentioning me)

Right so to start off, one part is correct - Gyazo - 0c3fa339b1b22e5e930945968d11f9c1.gif which is why I have stated many of times, I unfriended Maldesto on Facebook (i'm pretty sure he knew this also) which led to him blocking me and apparently accusing me of multiple things and being on bad terms with me afterwards.

Now going on from that, as I have just asked Decode myself the issue and he basically said nothing but pointless drama, I would love to be back on OSbot in the market section for the simple fact I am 618 feedback on there and the most overpowered and saw out service provider which brings the site revenue. Anyone with a smart business mindset would realise that banning your top tier members is a bad move, but I accept the choice to be banned as I went a bit further than I possibly should have, which although the perm ban for me alot like Jonny was taken out of context I don't expect to be pandered down to for my actions.

I can confirm with the part at the beginning of the thread me stating that I told Jonny to buy a $100 donor rank, as he is not a botter/gold farmer, and instead just wanted to receive his verified service rank like I did with all 3 of my verified ranks - Which this being said, $100 donor is $25-50 cheaper than lifetime sponsor and allows you to not worry about perks. I know of Jonny and his YouTube career/videos, along with his CC however as of late I left and it has stayed that way after his friend Pak decided to threaten to ban me from it due to my ban on OSbot. I will add however with the result of that I was not rude to Pak or anyone else, or anything like that just simple having a general conversation and if it was/wasn't a intentional joke i'm not sure, so I have no personally witnessed the spam due to this otherwise I would have probably been in the chat myself.

I would like if parties stopped mentioning my name, because to say the least I don't feel that I will ever be unbanned there even if Maldesto does get over his grudges and poor attitude towards me and not having the main ethical mindset which is "business", you don't throw away what is good for buisness. But anyway, this isn't about me anymore, so again sorry about me posting here just my two cents so I hope you didn't mind.

 

[Thanatos]

Posting this on behalf of Maldesto:

He was accusing staff of intentionally ratting, and breaking rules we won't be refunding him. And a dispute against me because he gets banned is ridiculous. We have a tos and rules for a reason they can't just break them and expect to get around a ban because they open a dispute. He is unbanned but permanently restricted from posting due to his language and harassment.

Edit: this applies to both you and savage.

Some evidence (there are more posts like this):

Spoiler

Ratting??? Are you kidding me? You are now accusing me of ratting as well now? I opened this dispute as I was constantly being harassed by one of your staff members and he even stated he was fine with the thread and he disliked the other names. So where is your "staff bashing" gone now.

He harassed me for 3 days, I open a thread calling him out and that's me harassing him? That is not making sense.

 

[Thanatos]

Honestly? You guys are joken, staff say Maldesto went too far on the ban so they unban me and bar me from ever posting on the site again? You guys do realise I DON'T BOT. I've done it occassionally but goddamn why the hell would I want unbanned and not be able to post.
You claim I rat people (savage as well)
You are obviously falling apart as well seeing as even the staff aren't backing you up Maldesto.
Own up you were trying to find a reason to ban me, come on i'm waiting.

 

[Thanatos]

Posting this on behalf of Maldesto:

He was accusing staff of intentionally ratting, and breaking rules we won't be refunding him. And a dispute against me because he gets banned is ridiculous. We have a tos and rules for a reason they can't just break them and expect to get around a ban because they open a dispute. He is unbanned but permanently restricted from posting due to his language and harassment.

Edit: this applies to both you and savage.

Some evidence (there are more posts like this):

Spoiler

I only posted it four times so i'd like to see "there are more posts like this". Dex let Maldesto come here, this post here is just pure slander. I made my case with evidence backing it up, this dispute is about being banned for calling a staff member out on the abuse they've been giving me. Seems like you guys are just trying to hide this shit up.

 

@Thanatos , we try to keep Osbot and Sythe separate.

I've tried disputing @Dbuffed ban in good faith but @Maldesto makes the ruling. Not us.

They have a right to ban you for whatever they want. (Within Reason)

I am requesting @Maldesto to respond to this. However, what Maldesto says goes.

 

[Thanatos]

@Thanatos , we try to keep Osbot and Sythe separate.

I've tried disputing @Dbuffed ban in good faith but @Maldesto makes the ruling. Not us.

They have a right to ban you for whatever they want. (Within Reason)

I am requesting @Maldesto to respond to this. However, what Maldesto says goes.

If he makes the ruling then a chargeback is justified and would not affect me here but it would. Both sites are paired up already with the fact if someone gets banned for scamming on one site they'll be banned on the other.

As a member of Sythe you need to crack down on Maldesto personally then and on his personal account here.

It is Maldesto who banned us and claimed it was for "Malicious Content" aka Viruses. When anyone, literally anyone on osbot could prove that wrong.

The staff members supposedly convinced him to unban me and ban me from ever posting on the site again.
That's a just pure bullshit.

The reason for being unbanned is right here in a private conversation with Maldesto last month.

 

If he makes the ruling then a chargeback is justified and would not affect me here but it would. Both sites are paired up already with the fact if someone gets banned for scamming on one site they'll be banned on the other.

As a member of Sythe you need to crack down on Maldesto personally then and on his personal account here.

It is Maldesto who banned us and claimed it was for "Malicious Content" aka Viruses. When anyone, literally anyone on osbot could prove that wrong.

The staff members supposedly convinced him to unban me and ban me from ever posting on the site again.
That's a just pure bullshit.

The reason for being unbanned is right here in a private conversation with Maldesto last month.

Still have to wait to see what @Maldesto has to say etc.

 

[Thanatos]

These guys don't know when to quit, using TWC for no reason?
I've not scammed, and I will not scam. Just fucking ban me and stop fucking around with me. You've literally taken everything I do on that site. I do not bot and that is the only thing they've left me.

Maldesto grow the fuck up and post your response and stop wasting my time.

 

[slavel0lo]

Yet to see any evidence backing up your claims against me Dex/Mald
Scummier by the minute.
I too was also unbanned and had all posting privs removed, however I believe dex did not like my response above and banned me again. Which is obviously acceptable as account termination is the first thing that will happen once I get my money back from these scumbags.
Also before you pull up any bullshit about me harassing others and breaking other rules, can I ask that it gets dismissed as "just banter" like your staff team is allowed to, even though they've openly called people retards?
Very professional, pls respond.

 

[Maldesto]

I'm not going to respond further than, he broke site rules, he was banned, we unbanned him when we didn't have to. I then twc'd him because he threatened to charge back in this thread above. I'm not going to have him sell vouchers to my users and charge back, he has spent 100's of dollars on osbot, and I do not want to take the risk of him charging back, so I placed him in TWC.

 

[Thanatos]

I'm not going to respond further than, he broke site rules, he was banned, we unbanned him when we didn't have to. I then twc'd him because he threatened to charge back in this thread above. I'm not going to have him sell vouchers to my users and charge back, he has spent 100's of dollars on osbot, and I do not want to take the risk of him charging back, so I placed him in TWC.

Wait I'm sorry, I think you just a hit retard spot. Let me clarify, you are scared of me charge backing, yes I understand that, you then state I've already spent $100s of dollars on this site, yes, so whats stopping me from chargebacking those i've already bought vouchers for to recover the money you have clearly fucked me out of because you are a child.

 

[Thanatos]

I'm not going to respond further than, he broke site rules, he was banned, we unbanned him when we didn't have to. I then twc'd him because he threatened to charge back in this thread above. I'm not going to have him sell vouchers to my users and charge back, he has spent 100's of dollars on osbot, and I do not want to take the risk of him charging back, so I placed him in TWC.

You took 37 hours to respond to this dispute yet you ban users on your own site if they don't respond within 24? You are unprofessional and no I didn't break any rules, you were looking for a reason to ban me and trying to fuck me over. Please go on tell me the rules I broke so I can shove it in your face the grounds I had to do so.

If I were ever going to chargeback peoples vouchers I would of done it by now, which I won't till you fucking realise you are not that important. You are not above anyone so take the stick out of your ass and realise your wrong.

If you really did think I was a threat you would of locked and archived my still active voucher thread.

 

[Maldesto]

Hid your thread, as you aren't allowed to have a voucher shop with TWC, as dex was responding for me and the osbot staff team, I didn't know I needed to reply. You don't get to break rules, and act like a child and get banned, and just because you donated to the site, get to come here and dispute. You don't get to do whatever the fuck you want once you buy a rank on a website and expect to come here and get a refund because you acted like a child. Not how it works.


Bye jonny

 

[Thanatos]

Hid your thread, as you aren't allowed to have a voucher shop with TWC, as dex was responding for me and the osbot staff team, I didn't know I needed to reply. You don't get to break rules, and act like a child and get banned, and just because you donated to the site, get to come here and dispute. You don't get to do whatever the fuck you want once you buy a rank on a website and expect to come here and get a refund because you acted like a child. Not how it works.


Bye jonny

Hey Child, glad you can respond so quickly this time. Still waiting on the rules I broke. By the way, it's thanatos here. We are not on first name bases so don't use my first name here k thx.

Bye Child.

 

[Thanatos]

You have left me no choice, I have entered dispute with you and no I will not chargeback vouchers as I was paid for them.

 

[slavel0lo]

Post evidence on the rules we broke pls Maldesto, along with these chatlogs Scotty mentioned in his removed post of me communicating with a scamquitter, "knowing he was going to scam".

If you hadn't realised just about everything I posted and said on osbot was satirical.

 

Post evidence on the rules we broke pls Maldesto, along with these chatlogs Scotty mentioned in his removed post of me communicating with a scamquitter, "knowing he was going to scam".

If you hadn't realised just about everything I posted and said on osbot was satirical.

Mate I hid my fucking post because this thread is a complete mess >.>
Fuck off and stop crying already