Name sniping not against the rules

[PijaVenosa]

Yeah, there is no reason for this to be against the rules. It's the same as killing someone in the wilderness and looting their stuff. This is the way the runescape system works. I'd like to hear the reasons why it would be a bannable offense before I waste everyone's time by trying to predefend it.

 

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I agree it shouldn't be an offence. Names should be bought at buyers own risk, knowing they can be sniped by anyone, including the seller

 

Both of your thought processes are far off. That is not the proper mindset. By completing the transaction, the buyer deserves the product in which they've paid for and were promised.

How would you like it if, next time you buy a new phone, as the salesman is handing you the package I just grab it and take off? "Sorry, that's just the nature of the market, cya hick."

 

[PijaVenosa]

I agree it shouldn't be an offence. Names should be bought at buyers own risk, knowing they can be sniped by anyone, including the seller

What? No, if the seller snipes it, that is clearly scamming.

 

What? No, if the seller snipes it, that is clearly scamming.

If this rule was ever implemented, and I mean ever, the name sales forum would be completely dead. No one would even try to get pass 500+ people trying to snipe a name all at once. It's scary enough to know that there are people out there that lurk the name sales forum for the purpose of sniping names.

 

[PijaVenosa]

Both of your thought processes are far off. That is not the proper mindset. By completing the transaction, the buyer deserves the product in which they've paid for and were promised.

How would you like it if, next time you buy a new phone, as the salesman is handing you the package I just grab it and take off? "Sorry, that's just the nature of the market, cya hick."

He doesn't, he deserves what the seller promises, and the seller can only promise that he will hand you the package, not that you will receive it. Thus, the seller has no responsibility as long as the trading terms where clear.
The third party is not part of this agreement and is only playing the game of RuneScape according to their set rules. Thus he is clear of any moral responsibility too.
I mean, sythe allows bots, and the name sniper's only rule breaking in the game is botting.

 

lol no

 

He doesn't, he deserves what the seller promises, and the seller can only promise that he will hand you the package, not that you will receive it. Thus, the seller has no responsibility as long as the trading terms where clear.
The third party is not part of this agreement and is only playing the game of RuneScape according to their set rules. Thus he is clear of any moral responsibility too.
I mean, sythe allows bots, and the name sniper's only rule breaking in the game is botting.

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Your morals are too gone for me to continue this as a rational discussion.

As well, no. That's called stealing.

No support.

 

[PijaVenosa]

Actually, fuck this, name sniping should be against the rules, as should be name trading, botting and rwt.
In fact, if you can name snipe without a bot, that's the most legal thing you can do.

 

[PijaVenosa]

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Your morals are too gone for me to continue this as a rational discussion.

As well, no. That's called stealing.

No support.

Who is stealing? the name is property of runescape and they are free to give it to anyone they want, they decide to give it to the one who snipes rather than those who transact in a black market. My morals are impeccable.

 

Who is stealing? the name is property of runescape and they are free to give it to anyone they want, they decide to give it to the one who snipes rather than those who transact in a black market. My morals are impeccable.

And how many names have you sniped since October of 2012? Your principles of what's okay is so twisted. Would you like it if I told you in pm that I sniped one of your names that you tried to buy after you paid a load for it?

 

Both of your thought processes are far off. That is not the proper mindset. By completing the transaction, the buyer deserves the product in which they've paid for and were promised.

How would you like it if, next time you buy a new phone, as the salesman is handing you the package I just grab it and take off? "Sorry, that's just the nature of the market, cya hick."

this is golden.

 

[PijaVenosa]

And how many names have you sniped since October of 2012? Your principles of what's okay is so twisted. Would you like it if I told you in pm that I sniped one of your names that you tried to buy after you paid a load for it?

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I see where you are coming from. But I think that the name sniper is as much at fault as the buyer and the seller. All 3 are performing their trades in their black market and they have their own set of rules that apply to them, (much like it's morally wrong for a gangster to talk to the police.) in this case it's "sniper no sniping", while the real victim is Jagex, whose ToS is being constantly broken. That's it, all that left is someone selling something he doesn't own to someone who knows this. And a third party that takes advantage of this.
It sounds weird to me to think that the third party is equally liable of wrongdoing, since he is the one gaining anything of value. But the intentions of all three parties are the same, to profit. Maybe the buying party might genuinely be looking to have fun, to have a cool name. But it's irrelevant, since the damage he causes to jagex is exactly the same as if he would have wanted to profit. They are causing losses to jagex. All three of them.

IM-PE-CCA-BLE

But I am open to criticism.

 

Sounds like the thought process of a name sniper trying to rationalize his douchey method of making money into something respectable. It's not working.

 

[PijaVenosa]

Sounds like the thought process of a name sniper trying to rationalize his douchey method of making money into something respectable. It's not working.

I'm not condoning name sniping, it's in the same bag as botting. It hurts Jagex and you have no right to do it.

 

I'm not condoning name sniping, it's in the same bag as botting. It hurts Jagex and you have no right to do it.

wot?

How are the two "in the same bag"? Name sniping is against the rules on Sythe because it's a transaction that occurs/can occur between two Sythe members. If a name is sniped during the transaction by a third party on Sythe, or by one of the first two users, it's a scam. One or more of the users did not receive what they were supposed to, and the sniper should be held responsible. This has nothing to do with Jagex.

 

[PijaVenosa]

wot?

How are the two "in the same bag"? Name sniping is against the rules on Sythe because it's a transaction that occurs/can occur between two Sythe members. If a name is sniped during the transaction by a third party on Sythe, or by one of the first two users, it's a scam. One or more of the users did not receive what they were supposed to, and the sniper should be held responsible. This has nothing to do with Jagex.

Yeah, it sounded weird to me when I thought of a gold trade. If someone doesn't pay on a gold trade, then he is not only hurting jagex, he is hurting the buyer and he is hurting him much more. I think that the difference here lies in the fact that the third party never agreed to any terms.

I guess if you make it part of the sythe ToS not to snipe names. That is fine, ban people who snipe, but again, as a community who constantly breaks other sites ToS, this is very hypocritical.
At least you can concede that this is not in the same level as scamming someone in a gold trade, which is just simply theft, no matter the intellectual property implications.

 

Yeah, it sounded weird to me when I thought of a gold trade. If someone doesn't pay on a gold trade, then he is not only hurting jagex, he is hurting the buyer and he is hurting him much more. I think that the difference here lies in the fact that the third party never agreed to any terms.

I guess if you make it part of the sythe ToS not to snipe names. That is fine, ban people who snipe, but again, as a community who constantly breaks other sites ToS, this is very hypocritical.
At least you can concede that this is not in the same level as scamming someone in a gold trade, which is just simply theft, no matter the intellectual property implications.

I honestly have no idea what your train of thought is on any of this. You're all over the place.

There is no difference between scamming a gold sale/purchase and sniping a name during a name sale/purchase. Third party or not, they're both scams. One party is paying for something and not receiving it. In the case of a name sale, the sniper is to blame. I don't see how you can think name sniping is less of an offense than scamming during a gold trade.

 

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is this guy okay.

no support obviously

 

lol no

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