Maxed Main Staking - Idea

[bamfyjr]

So I am seeing alot of reports and complaints regarding people getting scammed. [Myself included]

These scam methods are done in a way which the victim pays a deposit for the whip, the X time the account will be used for. Now, without most people knowing, the 'rented' account is being spied on, the amount you're going in for, the win/loss of the stake etc and eventually the 'renter' has a prediction if not a accurate idea of what your cashstack is. At this point you will be booted off the account, no money, no justice.

Now this is a really messed up thing because I myself have been a victim of this twice in 48 hours, I reported them and they were successfully banned here on Sythe. [Thank you Staff]

Now to the main point, the best idea would be to make the renter pay a deposit to a staff member on here, or a trusted middle man who staff have vouched for, something along those lines.

Now with this also comes BS, but I have a solution. With this situation it will reverse the scam onto the person renting the account as he can fake a scam and report it to Sythe. Sythe should make a policy to have screen-recorded evidence of them being booted off the account and being blocked/deleted from Skype. [Where most of the conversations go down]

The deposit fee should be somewhere from 50-100M. Once the player on the account has transferred their winnings or any belongings on their acc, the person who rented the account will receive their deposit back. However, if the original owner decides to kick someone off and attempt to scam, the victim should have screen recorded evidence of this happening and will then forward this to whoever is holding the deposit in order to get a refund, if not full then some. Better than 0. This will keep it safe for everyone that is using this service. The scams right now are at a high rate, and it is just making this website look bad.

 

Its really too big of a burden to require a middleman basically hold a deposit from a renter, especially if the deposit is 50-100m. It really just complicates things. Everyone who regularly uses this site knows how there are lots of scammers already, and you really should only be renting from people who are trusted enough. There's even a sticky on the "other services" section mentioning and warning against account rentals. Its harsh and I'm sorry to say, but you shouldve learned from the first time you got scammed from a newcomer to not do it again. "fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." :/

 

[Donald Duck]

If you want them to pay a deposit, ask, then use a middleman and do it. We can't force people to conduct all their trades in the same manner. If the person won't agree to a deposit, you don't have to trade with them. It's a free market

 

No Support.

All you need is common sense when dealing with this.

If you choose to trust someone who has 10 posts, a join date of January 2015, 0 vouches and is offering half the prices to rent the account than everyone else, it is obvious what his intentions are.

Anyone is allowed to make their own threads to rent maxed accounts, as it is a free market. Some of them are obviously scammers but they cannot be banned or TWC'd without proof. Hence only go with people who you would trust.

 

[bamfyjr]

There are no trusted people, now what?

 

Ultimately a mod would have to decide who got scammed, therefore they would have to be the "middleman". Therefore this would never work.

No support.

 

There are no trusted people, now what?

If you do not deem anyone who is renting a maxed account trusted, then you do not rent them.
Doesn't matter if you use a middleman or not, the account can be recovered at any point. Hence the user may agree to use a middleman, but he can recover the account for more profit for him.

The only alternative suggestion I can think of, which you are free to create a new suggestion if you wish, would be a list of all the known login names (not screen names) of maxed combat accounts that have scammed in the past from renting their accounts.

This would be their actual login names, which can never be changed, that they use to login to the game. There is a limit to the number of maxed accounts there are, and if someone scams, their login name can be added to the list which can be in the form of a sticky on the forum account rentals are in. People can check to see if the login name of the account they are renting is on the blacklist or not. For names to be added to the list, full proof (such as a report) that they actually have scammed would be required. You can dig through archives and find some people who were scammed from account rentals, verify the login name of the account they rented and get it confirmed with a mod, and add that name to the list with the proof you have obtained.

 

[tMoon]

No support

Don't rent from untrusted individuals, you're just asking for more people (staff) who already have more-than-enough to do to get involved. Staff do not need to babysit the various Sythe business, it's up to Sythe users to determine whether whom they're buying/renting from is trustworthy. If they determine wrongly and are scammed, that's where staff steps in and bans the user(s) (providing there is proper proof.)

 

[Xier0]

Renting accounts is never safe with the ease that they can be recovered. People who know that you are going to put money on the account stand to gain even more from their scam directly from your good fortune.

If you are looking for a deposit system like you mentioned for fair high risk games, check the link in my sig below.

 

[Dunsford]

If you do not deem anyone who is renting a maxed account trusted, then you do not rent them.
Doesn't matter if you use a middleman or not, the account can be recovered at any point. Hence the user may agree to use a middleman, but he can recover the account for more profit for him.

The only alternative suggestion I can think of, which you are free to create a new suggestion if you wish, would be a list of all the known login names (not screen names) of maxed combat accounts that have scammed in the past from renting their accounts.

This would be their actual login names, which can never be changed, that they use to login to the game. There is a limit to the number of maxed accounts there are, and if someone scams, their login name can be added to the list which can be in the form of a sticky on the forum account rentals are in. People can check to see if the login name of the account they are renting is on the blacklist or not. For names to be added to the list, full proof (such as a report) that they actually have scammed would be required. You can dig through archives and find some people who were scammed from account rentals, verify the login name of the account they rented and get it confirmed with a mod, and add that name to the list with the proof you have obtained.

I do not support the OP but i do support Rich's post, i like the idea

 

[Tbo]

Honestly it's so easy to figure out if the person renting out is a ban evader (example: joined yesterday looking to rent out his main, recent report on user, banned for scamming while renting main). Just stick to using trusted users such as Lalapo to rent and you'll be fine.

 

[Jack Goff]

This is something you'd have to informally arrange with whomever you are renting from, it will never be a rule and staff members will never hold GP in an official capacity.

 

[Xier0]

If you do not deem anyone who is renting a maxed account trusted, then you do not rent them.
Doesn't matter if you use a middleman or not, the account can be recovered at any point. Hence the user may agree to use a middleman, but he can recover the account for more profit for him.

The only alternative suggestion I can think of, which you are free to create a new suggestion if you wish, would be a list of all the known login names (not screen names) of maxed combat accounts that have scammed in the past from renting their accounts.

This would be their actual login names, which can never be changed, that they use to login to the game. There is a limit to the number of maxed accounts there are, and if someone scams, their login name can be added to the list which can be in the form of a sticky on the forum account rentals are in. People can check to see if the login name of the account they are renting is on the blacklist or not. For names to be added to the list, full proof (such as a report) that they actually have scammed would be required. You can dig through archives and find some people who were scammed from account rentals, verify the login name of the account they rented and get it confirmed with a mod, and add that name to the list with the proof you have obtained.

Isn't there already a blacklist for this, just not specifically for maxed accounts?

 

[Pain]

Or, Dont be stupid and use a trusted users main.

 

[Johnsonman]

No/Not many legit people rent max accounts anymore as they get banned to frequently and its such a hassle when people try scam them off myself and others. So you're going to have a really hard time renting a legit account. My advice: Dont try rent an account.

 

No sort of deposits will ever happen. I agree that renting is fucked, but Richard supports a free market.

Account sales and renting accounts are mostly scams, I just suggest not dealing in them.

 

[whaatitdo]

No support. Honestly no one wants to get into that mess, unless they're getting some commission or fee from it. Best bet is to deal with the trusted people, yes they're a bit more expensive then others, but they get the job done.

On the other hand, you can't prove someone scammed without proof. So video evidence is recommended, but hard to obtain/keep.

 

I like the idea to make a black list for account login name/emails though that DC you. Why not lol.

 

No support. Like Soul Rich said, its common sense.

All you need to do is organize what you want, yourself, and if it doesnt work out and he says no, well too bad... At least you didnt get scammed.

 

Isn't there already a blacklist for this, just not specifically for maxed accounts?

There is one here:

http://www.sythe.org/pures-skillers...purchase-click-report-recovered-accounts.html

But its on the account sales forums, and shows a list of all accounts (maxed or not) that people have had for sale that have been scammed. I don't think someone would have the incentive to head over to that forum to check if the account they are renting is on the list, as it may not even have been for sale.

That sticky should also be on the forum that account rentals are done, with updated names.