Dat Sythe Logic

[Xier0]

This is really getting on my last nerve.

I've got this guys.

Yeah, it can be really nerve wracking. You know what else is nerve wracking? Trying to connect to your offline poker server ¯\(°_o)/¯

Alright. Then stop bringing it up.

I never did, I was trying to keep people from bringing it up because it's 100% irrelevant

Do.

Did.

Majority of this is hearsay.

Everything I said was fact. iZinc was a Dragon Dyce rank for about a year. iZinc was fired from Dragon Dyce for lying to admins. I really don't know what hearsay you are talking about.

Okay.

Okay.

Invalid evidence.

How is that invalid? Lol.

Done in private.

I'll concede here. Yes, this was done in private, but I feel that it is still relevant because it shows his intentions.

I don't see how Joopii is the "moral one" here. Joopii may have been the reason DDoS attacks occurred in the first place.

If iZinc didn't deliberately seek out our poker client IP and say "DDos this", then the attacks probably wouldn't have occured either.

This hardly proves anything. The last picture from Joopii could've been sent yesterday. Invalid.

If you want, ask iZinc can publicly deny that he was never sent these messages, and I'll ask Joopii for the timestamps of the messages.

Then please provide every chat log from DDyce for the last 3 years.
Every post on the site, every conversation that occurred on the IRC, and every message on Skype sent by any person that was a rank on DDyce.

That's not how the burden of proof works.

If iZinc has proof of me DDoSing him or anyone else, tell him to post it in the RaS section.

 

[ilovegold69]

 

[Xier0]

ifly ild69

 

[nodnarbusn]

I picked the right team.

 

[FireZ]

The paid poker license is completely invalid already ruled that out over a week ago

 

[Xier0]

The paid poker license is completely invalid already ruled that out over a week ago

Why is it invalid? I know that he wasn't successful, but it should still be included as evidence that he was still trying to attack us on multiple occasions over a long period of time.

 

[Shin]

Yeah, it can be really nerve wracking. You know what else is nerve wracking? Trying to connect to your offline poker server ¯\(°_o)/¯

I understand your frustration.

I never did, I was trying to keep people from bringing it up because it's 100% irrelevant

/thread

Did.

Doing.

Everything I said was fact. iZinc was a Dragon Dyce rank for about a year. iZinc was fired from Dragon Dyce for lying to admins. I really don't know what hearsay you are talking about.

And all is irrelevant regarding your case against him.

Okay.

Alright.

How is that invalid? Lol.

I'll concede here. Yes, this was done in private, but I feel that it is still relevant because it shows his intentions.

And no one else's. Convenience.

If iZinc didn't deliberately seek out our poker client IP and say "DDos this", then the attacks probably wouldn't have occured either.

You say tomato. I say banana.

If you want, ask iZinc can publicly deny that he was never sent these messages, and I'll ask Joopii for the timestamps of the messages.

Can I ask him to provide any and all harmful messages sent by Joopii? Would be irrelevant as well, and I think you're capable of doing it yourself.

That's not how the burden of proof works.

Then am I safe to assume you're publicly denying than no host since the existance of DDyce has ever DDoS'd any other site, attacked any other person, or been involved in blackhat in any way?

If iZinc has proof of me DDoSing him or anyone else, tell him to post it in the RaS section.

Absolve DDyce and yourself by providing all the logs I've requested then.

 

[FireZ]

Why is it invalid? I know that he wasn't successful, but it should still be included as evidence that he was still trying to attack us on multiple occasions over a long period of time.

Read the whole email

 

Ban all of them

 

[Emperor Nero]

Ban all of them

Support. Kill them all and let God sort them out... Or something... Faggot.

 

[Xier0]

And all is irrelevant regarding your case against him.

Which is why I intentionally didn't post it as a response in his pardon.

Tell him to publicly deny that he ever contacted the poker providers about revoking our license then.

And no one else's. Convenience.

Elaborate, I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

You say tomato. I say banana.

If iZinc wasn't behind the attacks he wouldn't be banned in the first place.

Then am I safe to assume you're publicly denying than no host since the existance of DDyce has ever DDoS'd any other site, attacked any other person, or been involved in blackhat in any way?

Checkmate. If I'm responsible for anything any person affiliated with Dragon Dyce has ever done, then iZinc should have been banned for Joopii's actions

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1680283-scam-report-against-bigboibets.html

Absolve DDyce and yourself by providing all the logs I've requested then.

If iZinc has any proof that I DDoSed anyone, he can post it in the RaS section and get me banned. If I say you scammed me and have no proof, are you required to post all of your skype logs from 3 and a half years to prove you are innocent? That's why the burden of proof lies on the accuser.

 

There's only one logical way to solve this..

Ban everybody on Sythe.

 

[Xier0]

Read the whole email

I did. Can you tell me specifically what part of the email makes this evidence of SE attacks inadmissible? If I had emailed the briggsoft staff and asked them to remove BigBoibet's poker licence, would I not be banned for SE/Blackhat?

 

[Shin]

Tell him to publicly deny that he ever contacted the poker providers about revoking our license then.

Doesn't matter. Was ruled out a week ago.

Elaborate, I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

It only shows 1 intention/motive/action of iZinC, but nothing of Joopii or anyone else who may be involved. Don't worry about it. You conceded.

If iZinc wasn't behind the attacks he wouldn't be banned in the first place.

From what I can tell, he is a bystander (somewhat). Yes, yes, yes... "He gave direct orders", but who actually performed the DDoS attacks?

Checkmate. If I'm responsible for anything any person affiliated with Dragon Dyce has ever done, then iZinc should have been banned for Joopii's actions

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1680283-scam-report-against-bigboibets.html

Check, mate. The scam done here by Joopii was done long before iZinC entered a partnership with him. Joopii did not scam any users on BBB and when he took down RSGambling, every person who had chips was cashed out by him personally.

#factsstraight

If iZinc has any proof that I DDoSed anyone, he can post it in the RaS section and get me banned. If I say you scammed me and have no proof, are you required to post all of your skype logs from 3 and a half years to prove you are innocent? That's why the burden of proof lies on the accuser.

I would do it in a second. Try me.

Then I'll ban you for attempting framing. See how that one goes over.

 

[Emperor Nero]

Do it. Then we can have another fucking huge cluster fuck of bullshit.

 

Accusing of scamming without proof is an infraction, not ban worthy

 

Mfw half of the staff team is/was affiliated with the sponsorship of one of both sides

 

[Shin]

Accusing of scamming without proof is an infraction, not ban worthy

Grats on 7K posts spammer.

 

[Xier0]

Doesn't matter. Was ruled out a week ago.

On what grounds? That it didn't happen? There's a reason iZinc isn't publicly denying it happened, and that's because it did, and his pardon would be closed on account of lying. That's the reason he's having you post on his behalf in the spam forum to try to cloud up the evidence without getting his hands dirty.

It only shows 1 intention/motive/action of iZinC, but nothing of Joopii or anyone else who may be involved. Don't worry about it. You conceded.

Still not understanding. I won't worry about it because if the point you are trying to make isn't clear to me, it sure as hell isn't clear to anyone else.

From what I can tell, he is a bystander (somewhat). Yes, yes, yes... "He gave direct orders", but who actually performed the DDoS attacks?

Like I said before, if he wasn't to be blamed for the attacks, he wouldn't be banned in the first place.

Check, mate. The scam done here by Joopii was done long before iZinC entered a partnership with him. Joopii did not scam any users on BBB and when he took down RSGambling, every person who had chips was cashed out by him personally.

#factsstraight

So then we've established that any actions not directly caused by the offending party really don't matter? Or should all 500+ of Dragon Dyce's past hosts be banned for any one action committed by another, including, n4n0, Frenzy, RSprod, Kmjt, blazee, and a dozen other reputable Sythe members?

#factsstraight

I would do it in a second. Try me.

Then I'll ban you for attempting framing. See how that one goes over.

ATTEMPTED FRAMING??? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS???

 

[Delta Squad]

or follow my idea in his first pardon, and just leave both of them banned?