Lvl 75 Def is a scammer!

[xNo Limitsx]

Scammer's profile link: http://www.sythe.org/members/335473-lvl-75-def.html
Explain the service: He was suppose to make a signature for me, as I was referred by Entrr. Not only did the signature take longer than expected, but it wasn't up to my standards. I specifically said do not rush it, and he blatantly says he did. Obviously this is a graphics request, and it's kind of hard to say who's wrong/right, but I think I have enough evidence to prove that he did not do his job like he was suppose to. I don't expect him to get banned, but all I want is my money back. I would rather him just make me a bad ass signature, but I think his pride is too big at this moment and would get in the way. He would rather give back the money before just doing his job and making me a really nice signature that I would be happy with.
Sythe PM picture: This was all done over Sythe and through PMs, which I will post below.
Skype profile ID & conversation pictures: n/a
Proof that the service was not completed: I will explain below.
Other relevant trade screenshots:

The first 2 pictures are self explanatory. He was suppose to have this signature done by 5/09/14 and it wasn't completed until 5/12/14. That wasn't really the issue though, the real issue was that I specifically said I do NOT want you to see this message and then rush to get it done because you have been procrastinating. What do you know? It was done the next morning and it looks like garbage compared to what this man is capable of and I would still like my refund.

Let's highlight this for a second to really show you guys the fast one he tried to pull on me and the times at which my message was sent, and the time the signature was done by. For the simple fact that not only was the signature days late and I said I would just like my money back, he did not follow my orders and as a buyer, I have those rights. I said I would just like my money back and for you to no rush to get it done, and from the times shown below and from his own words being posted on threads, it's obvious he didn't listen to what I wanted and I should get my money back without hesitation.

Sent to Lvl 75 Def on 05-11-14 at 09:45 PM
Sent by Lvl 75 Def on 05-12-14 at 07:43 AM

I haven't been on in quite a few days, and after seeing what he said on my most recent thread, I am ready to play some hard ball as well since that's what he wants to do. It's difficult to ask for a refund with graphics because I never exactly explained what I wanted, but I do feel like I have enough reason to get a refund and here's why:

1.) I claimed I wanted a refund several days AFTER the due date and BEFORE it was finished.
2.) Within the claim for the refund, I specifically said I do NOT want you to see this message and you rush to get it done. He did just that. Also, in my most recent thread, he says so himself that he rushed to get it done and the times above are MORE than enough evidence that he tried to pull a fast one after I claimed I just wanted my money back and no longer desired his service.

I asked for a refund AFTER the due date. It's not like I waited for a minute to pass over the due date and tried to pull a fast one like he did. In fact, I was very patient and continued to allot him more time. I firmly believe had I never sent the message regarding that I would just like my money back, the signature wouldn't had even been done that morning. It's not just a coincidence that the signature was done the morning after I sent my message. Not at all. The lines within the signature are still present and it just looks like (excuse my language) shit. It would be a different story if I had sent that message, and the next morning he sent some spectacular signature and it was all just a misunderstanding. I think the average person would agree with me, (including the graphic designer himself) that he saw my message, and said, 'oh shit, I need to get this done' and tried to pull a fast one and rushed to get it done, resulting in a pathetic display of appreciation to his craft and a fellow customer.

And for those reasons right there, I would just like my money back because it's quite obvious this guy has too much pride getting in the way of his work and wants to neglect his customers because he's a graphic designer and can usually get away with stuff like this, but he's finally met his match.

Here are the pictures I was talking about:
http://imgur.com/ZE1vhIu

http://imgur.com/ep841Gy

And here's the thread with my evidence regarding him rushing to get the signature done: http://www.sythe.org/graphics-gallery/1712020-my-new-signature.html

His post:

Sigh, i can read this you know. Idm all the shit, except this:


And to an extent, i don't think you have a clue of what goes into signatures really. Moon aswell as most people just throw in c4d text and effects, that's what murd's sig is, that's what yours is, that's what moons work is, that's what 95 percent of the text sigs is. It looks different then murds, yes obviously. And yes i did rush it because i hardly cared about you, you already assumed i was a lazy fuck anyways. Gonna be a total dick now and say kty for the money. And never work for you anymore again. Yes, shit like this makes me mad.

More specifically:

And yes i did rush it because i hardly cared about you, you already assumed i was a lazy fuck anyways. Gonna be a total dick now and say kty for the money. And never work for you anymore again. Yes, shit like this makes me mad.

What he said here just shows his disregard to his customers and his lack of effort that was put into my signature that I specifically said I did not want happening, therefore I feel the job was incomplete. As it states above, 'Proof that the service was not completed' and I think this is more than enough proof. I would like to just say, 'you know what? I'll give you another week and just re-do my signature and make it bad ass.' However, I'm scared to say that because if I said that, he could make another shitty signature and there would be nothing I can do about it. Also, he would never do that because it appears he has too much pride in the way and that he can basically do what he wants by saying 'thanks for my money and fuck me.' Don't get me wrong, he is capable of great work and I wish he would had put his effort into my signature, but it looks like I got the shit end of the stick. I was referred to use this guy by Entrr who did some quests for me, and I really liked 'Murdshops' signature to find out he is the one who did it, but my signature looks nothing like his. Not to say it's suppose to be identical, but you can just tell the amount of work but into Murds and the amount put into mine are totally different.

Like I said above, it's hard to ask for a refund on a graphic because it's really at the sellers discretion to give you what you want, but based on the facts that it was extremely late, AND I said I wanted a refund before it was done should earn me a refund. Not to mention, I said do NOT look at this message and decide you're going to rush to get it done, because that is also NOT what I want should earn me a refund. I wish I could say just re-do it and make me a better signature that actually looks like you put some effort into it, but due to what's been said and everything, I don't think that's going to happen. I'm not trying to pull a quick one, as if I get this money, all I'm going to do is put some of my money with the money I get back as a refund, and purchase a signature that actually looks good from Moonglare.

 

[Dave]

Just message him to change it the way you want, there's no need for a scam report, Lvl 75 will comply with changing it. That's how graphics works. I'll PM him.

 

[Lvl 75 Def]

Im at school now, so i'll just quickly do this.

Me being done, telling him if he does decide to pay he can give the money back to entrr, i never made him pay, never said he had to, only offered it.

Him confirming if he had gotten a refund from entrr (he was holding the money) that he would've given it back, aka agreeing on paying

Him after all the pm's saying it'll suffice.

Shows he said that'll suffice. Going this way and posting a scam report rather then trying to pm me and explain yourself, really doesn't motivate me to change your signature at all. Also disregard to customers in general? Total bs. Disregard to you as a person and client? yes. You agreed with said work, if you changed your mind later on, that's too bad. I was pissed off at the time of said posts and pm's, not that that makes it right.. But you never pmed me after these or contacted me on skype. I would've tought about it, but really after this? No chance.

As a last thing, he has used the signature already for a while, if he really wasn't happy at all i have no clue why he didn't tell me he didn't like it at all. I'm not refuding, i'm not redoing.

/B and /U is text, rest is screenshots.

 

[xNo Limitsx]

Honestly man, it would be great if you could just man-up, all bullshit aside and do your job by making me a bad ass signature. I think you take your customers for granted. It must be nice, but at the same time, I wish you could realize that regardless how you feel or how upset a customer has made you, you should never let that effect your work. I'm not sure if you expect me to play the nice guy or what, as you'll quote one liners from my replies and take it too much to heart. For example, when I said it was 'pure laziness,' you've quoted it about 2-3 times now and I guess that really bothered you. Nonetheless, if you were to just put yourself in my shoes for just a split second, I think you would feel like you had been taken advantage of and not too happy with the situation.

Personally, I have tried seeing your point of view and in a way I do, but at the same time I would never allow the way someone has made me feel (especially a customer) allow me to neglect their work and make them feel like they wasted their money. That's unfair, immature, and unprofessional. Now, I could understand maybe finishing their product an saying to never deal with me again, but honestly, if you are truly about your business and the name you've made for yourself, that's going to do nothing but hurt yourself. I have no doubt in you that you don't need me as a customer, but if you want to work on being more professional, my advice would just be that you should take these types of situations for a grain of salt and just continue to focus on your work, regardless what a customer has said to you or made you feel. Not only is it immature and unprofessional, but it's just not worth it. Don't misinterpret this and upset you even more, but I am just being genuine and honest. Obviously, it pertains to me situation and I really think you could take a few things from what I've said. I'm going to expect you to reply with something along the lines that I shouldn't tell you how to run your business, you're fine without my business, and I'm nothing to you. But I will hope for the best & expect the worse and keep high hopes than you will try and see my side of the story as I have you.

Just message him to change it the way you want, there's no need for a scam report, Lvl 75 will comply with changing it. That's how graphics works. I'll PM him.

Trust me, that's not the case. Also, as I said in the message, this has got be some kind of joke. I'm going to display my side of the story so that the rest of Sythe can see the full story, and basically reiterate what I sent to you in PM within my reply.

Yes, I did use it for a day or 2, and told you I liked it, but you know what? I'm a nice guy and was just trying to be grateful. However, after getting some feedback from others and really giving it a second thought, I realized this was an obvious scam and a poor display of business.

The highlight of my argument once again is this:
(I really figured that one someone saw this thread and read is thoroughly, they would side with me without hesitation but I guess I was wrong. Specifically for the reasons below...)

Once again, the issue was not that the signature was the late. The issue was I sent a message on 5/11/14 @ 10pm and said something along the lines that I would just like a refund and do NOT want you to see this message and you rush to get it done. Now isn't it a bit funny that the signature was done that next morning by 7am. Had I never sent that message, the signature would had not even been done by that morning. As a buyer, I believe I have the option to desire a refund if the product is late. Within my request, I specifically said I do NOT want you to see this message and rush to get it done. Well, he did exactly that and is blatantly scamming me in front of the entire community and so far, it's looking like he's going to get away with it.

I sent him message after message telling him that the s/8 look terrible and that the lines are still present. I was just trying to be nice and grateful and once again, I am being taken advantage of. Mind you, I had it for a day or 2 and after getting feedback from others, I decided that this actually isn't what I want and I would still like my refund. Let's remember I said I wanted a refund BEFORE it was finished and that I do NOT want him rushing to get it done. Obviously, I'm not a graphics designer and figured, 'I guess it doesn't look that bad, it will suffice.' But when you are spending $15 on a signature, should something really 'suffice.' Yes, I had it for a day or 2, but then I realized after getting feedback from others that it's not what I wanted, and I still want the refund like I said before. Mind you, when I said this will suffice, I also figured it was going to change it to the way I wanted it.

This is just wasting my time and I probably could had made my 5M back via staking than the time this is taking to try and get a refund. Obviously at this point I am not going to get a refund, and he's also not going to fix it to the way I want it.

I am very disappointed in this website.

At this point, I'm obviously not going to get a refund and that's fine. However, nor am I going to get a signature that I'll even use because it looks like shit.

As I said above, when I agreed to it, I also told him what I did not like about it and what I would like to be changed and was told the 's' couldn't be fixed and he would remove the lines and never got around to that. I also told him that I would like for him to add a vouch link, but also said that in the future, I would like for him to add my gold buying shops for RS3 and RS07, but apparently that's not going to happen. I would love to use the signature, but it juts pisses me off looking at it because it reminds me that I paid $15 for something I don't even like. I do like it to an extent, but the S/8 really pisses me off, and the lines lok like garbage.

It's pathetic that this guy allows the way he feels to effect his work. If a customer makes you mad and you allow that to effect your work for that customer is unprofessional, but nothing anyone can really do about it. Now, if you are able to publicly say that and get away with it really gives me an insight on what these forums are really about.

He specifically says that he rushed to get my signature done and didn't give a fuck what it looked like because I made him mad and he could careless the way it looks like. Now, it's one thing if that's the case because no one will be able to prove it if he kept things like that to himself, but to be able to publicly say that on the forums and get away with it and continue to be allows to do graphics is pathetic and really disappoints me.

As a graphic designer on these forums, I feel like it should be a privilege, not a right and within those privileges, things like that being said that you admit to the forums should have those privileges revoked. Obviously these aren't my forums and nothing I can really do, but it's a damn shame and I hope another higher rank sees this and agrees with me.

I said on 5/11/14 @ 10pm (days after the due date) that I would like a refund and if you see this message, do not rush to get it done.

The signature was done on 5/12/14 @ 7am.

Like an idiot, I was trying to be grateful and said this will suffice, but there are some things I would like to be changes, and also some things I would like to be added later on.

He added a 'vouch' link, but never removed the lines, nor fixed the 's/8.' Also, I highly doubt he will ever fix it and I highly doubt he will even add my 'gold buying shops' when I have enough money to re-open those shops and get away with it.

After 2 days and making a thread to get feedback from others, I realized that this isn't what I liked and I would just like a refund. I did not bother messaging him because I knew it would just turn into a flame war because the guys ego is larger than the Hulk and would just turn into a power thing with him saying how he doesn't have to do shit and I basically get what I paid for, even though I really didn't. After all, I said I would like for my signature to looks like 'Murdshops.' I never expected something identical, but something within that caliber. Unfortunately, I am new to these forums and didn't really know that all I had to do was say I did not want the signature and could had gotten a refund. It was more of a spur of the moment and I was just trying to be grateful, hoping he would fix what I didn't like about it and turn it into something I did like.

It's a shame that this guy allows his emotions to effect his work. That's not only very immature, but it's very unprofessional. Ideally, it would be awesome if he could either just fix the signature and make it look really awesome since he and I both know he's capable of doing better work, but things are obviously too far off the deep end that I don't ever see something like that happening. Even Entrr, who referred me agreed that he should just make me another signature that I like as I was very patient for the most part up. I dealt with the first excuse, and when it went past the due date of the first excuse, I decided I wanted a refund and did NOT want something to be rushed. He admits himself that is was rushed and he didn't give a damn what it looked like and the times my message was sent and by the time the signature was received go to show that he had no regard for the final product.

It just really disappoints me that he's allowed to get away with things like this. It's okay, I don't expect a refund, but if I can't get a refund, I think he should have to man-up and give me something I like, or then have to give me a refund.

As I said above, it should be a privilege to be a graphics designer on these forums, not a right. If you can go around saying that you rushed a signature because a customer pissed you off and you don't give a fuck what it looks like should really result in some type of punishment. It was a product, and even in the real world, if you buy something and decide it's not want you really want and that you realize you made a mistake and could had gotten something better, you can usually get a refund or at least get store credit and get something you like. As we all know, this is the internet and not the real world, but it just puts a bad name on these forums that a graphic designer is able to neglect his customers and publicly admit it.

 

[Lvl 75 Def]

I'm just going to disregard your tl;dr emotional non relevant/factual last post, although i would like to clear a few things up.

After 2 days and making a thread to get feedback from others, I realized that this isn't what I liked and I would just like a refund.

Do i have to clear up why this is wrong? You don't get someone to quest either and after he finished decide you actually didn't need monkey madness because you're gonna go 50 attack pure? You thanked me in pm's and said it was good the way it was. Do i need say more?



I did not bother messaging him because I knew it would just turn into a flame war because the guys ego is larger than the Hulk and would just turn into a power thing with him saying how he doesn't have to do shit and I basically get what I paid for, even though I really didn't.

again, you agreed upon paying, i didn't make you i just asked. A simple pm with no thanks, i don't like it/don't need it anymore would've been enough for a refund. Yet you did not ask for a refund and said it'd suffice.


I am new to these forums and didn't really know that all I had to do was say I did not want the signature and could had gotten a refund. It was more of a spur of the moment and I was just trying to be grateful, hoping he would fix what I didn't like about it and turn it into something I did like.


If that's the case i'd love to hear more about why you didn't pm me about this, actual reasons instead of speculations (great hulk reference) please. I didn't ignore you in any way so you had enough time/means to contact me.



I also told him what I did not like about it and what I would like to be changed and was told the 's' couldn't be fixed and he would remove the lines and never got around to that.

i feel like i'm repeating myself, as you have 55 times already in 1 thread. : http://puu.sh/8Uiwh.png


I also told him that I would like for him to add a vouch link, but also said that in the future, I would like for him to add my gold buying shops for RS3 and RS07, but apparently that's not going to happen.

Again, speculations. This was part of the agreement, i will add them when you need them.

 

[Dave]

Yeah you two are both being extremely dramatic, and to be quite honest it's annoying and childish to say the least.

As sad as it is to say, it seems one of you will be end up forced to do something.

If you ask me, I'm sorry that you feel you want a refund, but the point of graphics orders are to communicate with one-another until a product is created that you like. I'd say Lvl's sig isn't AMAZING, but it's not bad. With a little bit of improvement it'll be a great signature, and you two should work on it to make it what nolimit wants.

That's my opinion and I'll leave this for other staff as well.

 

[xNo Limitsx]

After taking another look at the signature, it really does have great potential. It's a shame you couldn't had put your full effort into it because you 'hardly care about me.' I said I wanted something similar 'Murdshops,' and it was nothing near. I don't expect it to be spot on, but even Entrr said he expected it to be something like Murdshops as that is what I had ordered. I think if this signature was maybe 3D text, the 'S' was fixed to not look like an 8, the lines were gone, and maybe had more of an 'eye-popping' effect to the whole thing, it would be awesome, but that's obviously too much to ask for at this point.

I was wrong for saying it will suffice, as I didn't realize that by saying that I was confirming that I'm willing to pay for it. I wish I could go back in time and say, 'I really don't want a refund, I want a signature, so if you think you can do a better job, I'd rather see what else you have in you and let's try to make us both happy. Unfortunately, I'm very upset with the signature and I will never use it the way it looks, thus wasting $15. It's a shame because you are capable of much better and it's just obvious that you neglected your work because of your feelings you have towards me. Also, it wasn't till a couple days AFTER I made the thread, and within that thread, you said so yourself that you did not put forth your best ability because you didn't like me and rushed, just like I had asked you not to. It's obvious you are taking advantage of others by saying that you rushed this piece and didn't try to make it look that great AFTER I essentially confirmed that the signature would suffice.

Though I may had said that, I am still going to put up a fight and try to get my money back, unless you want to actually do what your best at and make me a signature I would really like, because that's what I would rather have more than anything. The reason I am still going to put up a fight after I confirmed that it would suffice, is because AFTER that, you admitted you rushed it and went against my request and you should not be allowed to get away with that type of bullshit. Once again, if you would like to stop arguing with me and just surprise me with a better and either updated or preferably a totally new signature, that would be awesome as I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard for you to do something like that. The only thing stopping you is the grudge you have against me. How about you try putting all the bullshit aside and either surprise me with a signature that will make me want to come back to you for future graphics (even though you said you'll never do work for me again). C'mon man, it can't hurt that much. In fact, I'm sure you'll feel good to sit down right now, relax, and just make a bad-ass signature. You & I both know you have it in you, which is why I chose to use you after I was referred by Entrr, because I really liked your work and what I saw. I even sent you Murdshop's profile link and said that I wanted my signature to be like that, and what do you know? you were the one who made it. Everything just seemed to good to be true as the price was right, I really liked your work, and now it's all a huge disappointment and let down. At this point, not only could I had made my money back, but now I'm just losing money by being involved with this nonsense.

You know what Dave, I wish that could be the case, but as you can see, he would prefer to argue, rather than work on coming to a solution and this is the exact reason I just want a refund because his ego won't allow him to do so.

For someone who is able to publicly admit that they neglected a customers work and rushed it AFTER they specifically asked them not to and admits in his own words that he basically 'rushed to make a signature and doesn't care if he likes it or not because that customer angered him and because of that, he has neglected the work of a customer and couldn't give a damn whether or not it looks like shit' is absolutely pathetic and should have his GFX designer privileges revoked or just be banned from the forums all together because I am sure I'm not the first one.

Once again, Dave, I wish he could just message me with a new signature or ask me what I would like done and how he could make me happy with the final product, but he's taking advantage of the fact that I said it was okay and it'll suffice, even though technically I shouldn't really have to 'suffice' for a signature that I paid $15 for, when for that type of money, I should had been able to say, 'Wow! This is awesome man. This is definitely some of your best work. Thanks a lot dude!' Unfortunately, that's not the case.

Let's remember, though I did say that the final product would suffice (but would like some things to be fixed/changed which was never done) I also said I would just like a refund less than 10 hours before the signature was done, and I had also said the last thing I want is for the signature to be rushed.

As I said before, I am typically a nice guy and grateful person and I assumed that he put in his best effort, but after a day or 2, I decided to get some feedback from other members and came to realization that I had been played and he admits it himself that he rushed to get it done and didn't give a fuck whether or not I liked the signature.

I would really hope another rank is able to see the bigger picture here and put their foot down and stop allowing this guy to get away with scamming members of their forums because 'he's allowed to.'

And yes i did rush it because i hardly cared about you, you already assumed i was a lazy fuck anyways. Gonna be a total dick now and say kty for the money. And never work for you anymore again. Yes, shit like this makes me mad.

You should NOT be able to say things (above) and be able to get away with it. Had he kept his mouth shut, there wouldn't really be anything I would have to use against him, but when you go around saying shit like this and get away with it, it really puts a bad name on the ones in-charge. Graphics design should be a privilege, not a right and he is blatantly abusing his powers.

 

[Dave]

I don't think he should be forced to make something COMPLETELY new. However, he should be forced to fix up the current work, seeing as it's ALMOST what you asked for, just not exactly what you want.

 

[xNo Limitsx]

I don't think he should be forced to make something COMPLETELY new. However, he should be forced to fix up the current work, seeing as it's ALMOST what you asked for, just not exactly what you want.

You're right. I'm just not sure if it would be easier for him to start from scratch or to make the changes I desire.

Unfortunately, I think he's going to put up a fight as long as he can before he's forced to do anything, and that's the only reason I was wanting a refund, because I can feel a bunch of bullshit still ahead before he decides to take time out of his day to do something for myself.

On a side note, I really think a rank of some sort should teach this punk a lesson that you can't go around saying shit like this and getting away with it:

And yes i did rush it because i hardly cared about you, you already assumed i was a lazy fuck anyways. Gonna be a total dick now and say kty for the money. And never work for you anymore again. Yes, shit like this makes me mad.

1.) "And yes i did rush it because i hardly cared about you"
AFTER I asked for a refund and asked him to not see this message and rush to get it done. Had I known all this, I don't think anything would had 'sufficed' that day.

2.) "you already assumed i was a lazy fuck anyways."
What I say shouldn't effect your work. That's immature, pathetic, & unprofessional.

3.) "Gonna be a total dick now and say kty for the money."
You're kidding me, right? Please tell me that someone else can see the extent of what was really said here. 'kty for the money.' Just, 'WOW!'

 

[Lvl 75 Def]

Sigh, this really is getting absurd.

Nolimits, in regards to

I think if this signature was maybe 3D text, the 'S' was fixed to not look like an 8, the lines were gone, and maybe had more of an 'eye-popping' effect to the whole thing, it would be awesome, but that's obviously too much to ask for at this point.

So you're summing up pretty much a new signature. At the time of said kty post, i also explained what text sigs were like. In this it's pretty clear that with all those changes i'm basicly making a new signature for you.
(I want you to read this in a soft, calm , friendly voice, i'm not being sarcastic, i'm not being mad, i'm just stating things.)

You're calling me dramatic, immature, unprofessional. Yet you didn't pm me once to clear this up and went straight into a rage/cry mode report where you write out more then someone who's been scammed 15b.

For the record i never profited off of this since i let entrr who held the money, keep it for referring him to me. So a "quick scam profit" is out of the question.

You're trying to get me a rank to teach me(the punk) a lesson? Oh dear, the hostility.

It's easy to play victim while i have proof of:
-you agreeing on paying even if you had gotten a refund, why would you say that when trying to be gratefull, i don't have a clue.

-you saying you like it and you saying you that it'll suffice.

I'd be glad to add the shop links whenever you need them as stated previously

Dave, you saying i have to fix it up because it's not completely what he wants doesn't make sense as he never pmed me about this, or contacted me on skype. No what he did was ask peoples opinions and when other people adressed issues and i made the one post where i was mad, decided he'd just report me instead of trying to reach me.

All of his report is either:
assumptions ("he couldn't pm me because i'd rage", which is total bullshit)
emotional crap
trying to make you guys look bad as a forum and mods if you don't punish me

Now if he'd come along with facts of me ignoring him and him never agreeing with the signature i'd love to redo it.

If you didn't like the design you should of asked him to change it instead of posting here. You're the client and if you wanted changes you could of asked but from the looks of it, it's too late.

This is obvious.. yet again this didn't happen


Your report holds no ground besides 1 post where i got angry, if an apologize is what you'd like to hear, then sorry for what was said. I didn't mean to offend you in any way.

 

[xNo Limitsx]

I went wrong by letting my guard down when dealing with someone that has your reputation. When I said it will suffice, I was basically saying, 'yeah this will work,' with the expectations that you would fix what I didn't like about it.'

Turns out, that's not the case and you're throwing it up in my face that I said it will suffice (a shame nonetheless that you would allow your customers to be unhappy with a product and it suffice) and flaunting it that you are in control and don't owe me shit now.

I did say that it would sufficient enough IF you fixed the lines and the s/8. Unfortunately, there's a lot more I wish could be done, but if you like scamming (whether you believe it's scamming or not) then you're the one who has to live with yourself. This is my money man, and you think it's a joke. I work hard for my money and you are the graphics designer. I'm glad this is a big joke to you by saying I type as if it were a 15B scam, but that's not the point.

I'm speaking for everyone else whom may have been scammed by you in the past. I'm sure this isn't the first time you had a delay in your orders, and I know I'm not the first one to want a refund, which means I'm not the first one to have a rushed signature and that means I'm not the first one to have wasted their money with you.
(Normally, you would get away with it but this time, you decided to post on my thread saying how you rushed my signature because you 'hardly cared about me.' This may actually be the first time you have been caught red handed and the first time someones putting up a fight against your bullshit.)

The difference between this being a signature I don't like and a scam is the fact that I specifically said I wanted a refund and that I did not want my signature to be rushed. Surprisingly enough, my signature was done within a few hours after I sent the message. Once again, this isn't a matter of me not liking the signature. This is the fact that a couple days after I bought the signature and made a thread, http://www.sythe.org/graphics-gallery/1712020-my-new-signature.html and got some reviews, you posted a very nasty and revealing reply that confirmed my accusations and the reason that I decided to report you for scamming.

At the end of the day, once again, you're right about me accepting it and letting my guard down expecting that you would fix what I didn't like about it, but I was wrong. However, I just wish you would realize that this is my money and your number one goal should be to make your customers happy with your product, regardless of what they've said or how they've made you feel. We've exchanged some words with each other, but it was nothing TOO extreme, or only one person doing the talking.

I just wish you would value your customers money more and use your full potential within every piece of work you do, because money doesn't always come as easy for the next person.

I don't think you understand how upset I am about this whole situation, and that I spent/wasted money (that doesn't always come easy for me) on a signature that ended up being a disappointment. Nor did I really see a point in arguing with you through messages because you admit yourself that you rushed it & don't care about me, thus not caring about the results and the final product. Therefore, it just seemed like a waste of time when I could tell you didn't put your full potential into it. Honestly, put yourself in my shoes; I was expecting a signature similar to Murdshops and this is what I got. I'm not saying that it's the worst signature I've ever seen, but I expected a lot more.

Here's the message I sent AFTER receiving the signature:
"ok, fair enough. entrr still has the money and even if he had given it back, i would had paid now that you are done. however, thank you and it looks really good. im sorry for assuming, but i just wish i had gotten some type of notice."

As I have already said above, I am a grateful person and I swear on everything that I didn't even look at the signature for more than a few seconds before replying and thanking you. Don't get me wrong, if I said I liked then that's what I meant, but I soon realized I deserved more for my money and was quick to forget what I had ordered.

Retrospectively, I agree that I should had came to you with my issues, but at the same time, look at it from my point of view...

Once I settled for the signature and confirmed it was 'good enough,' I made a thread within the 'gallery section,' http://www.sythe.org/graphics-gallery/1712020-my-new-signature.html and after receiving some feedback, I gave them my feedback. Within my post (#3), I genuinely explained what I liked/disliked about the signature. Within that post, I basically said that they were right and that for $15, it actually wasn't up to par and I deserved a lot more. Unfortunately, I knew there was nothing I could do about it and I state that within the same post. (#3) 'ah, well. what can ya do? nothing, really because it's not like there's a format when you buy a GFX design. you basically get what you pay for and you can't really argue it's not what you wanted because they're all unique.'

The reason I posted this scam report in the first place was not because I simply 'didn't like the signature,' but because of your snobbish comment that confirmed my accusations, after I created a thread asking for feedback from others. It wasn't until after I settled for the signature that I realized I had been caught off guard and had been duped & played for a fool. Had you never posted that comment in my thread, I would had never made this thread. I made this thread because you self admittedly said you didn't take your time as I had requested, and you admitted you did not care about me or the product.
(Once you had admitted you rushed my signature, I then had the smoking gun for my scam report as I originally would have had nothing but speculation to base it from.)

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(Summary)

I was referred by Entrr to use a graphics designer by the name of 'Lvl 75 Def.' The signature was supposed to be done by 5/7-8/14. I sent some messages and got a reply that it would be done by the night of 5/9/14.

Days went by and no reply or notice for the delay...

On 5/11/14, I sent a message saying I would like a refund and that I do NOT want him to see this message and rush to get it done.

The next morning @ 7am on 5/12/14, the signature was done and it looked like shit.

I told him it would suffice if he could fix some things about it (which have never been fixed till this day) and just tried to be grateful about it.

It wasn't until I made a thread and realized I was scammed. Like I said above, I try to be grateful & nice, and just figured I'd settle for the signature even though I wasn't really ecstatic about it. I was more-so happy about the fact I did have a signature that was finally done and something I could use, not really criticizing whether or not I liked it. However, it wasn't until after I made a thread 'my new signature' and realized I was scammed.

How did you realize you were scammed?

I made a thread, 'my new signature' and received feedback from others, while giving mine back as well. Yes, I could had PMed 'Level 75 Def' with my feelings on how I felt about it, but we already had some bad blood and I figured there wasn't really any point in trying because he had already hated me at that time. It wasn't until he posted on my thread that I realized I had been scammed and realized why the signature didn't really 'blow me away.'

And to an extent, i don't think you have a clue of what goes into signatures really. Moon aswell as most people just throw in c4d text and effects, that's what murd's sig is, that's what yours is, that's what moons work is, that's what 95 percent of the text sigs is. It looks different then murds, yes obviously. And yes i did rush it because i hardly cared about you, you already assumed i was a lazy fuck anyways. Gonna be a total dick now and say kty for the money. And never work for you anymore again. Yes, shit like this makes me mad.

As I said above, I try to be grateful and nice and look for the good in things and didn't really think twice about the signature after it was completed because I specifically told him that I don't want him to rush to get it done if he saw this message and hadn't started it yet, that I would rather get my money back. Having my guard down and dealing with someone who has a fairly high reputation, I figured it was just a coincidence and he had in fact been working on it and it was all a misunderstanding and me being impatient. Once again, I wasn't really 'blown away' or anything by the signature, but it wasn't completely garbage. My initial reaction is to put my faith into this wonderful graphic designer that he put his best effort into it and followed my orders by not rushing to get it done.

Once he posted this reply, I was able to see not necessarily the flaws within the signature, but its lack of potential and what it could had been. He took advantage of me being a 'nice guy,' and after his post, this is when i decided to actually post a scam report.

I was never going to 'report a scammer' until AFTER his comment confirmed my accusations within my post, here. (#3)

That was originally the case, but after his comment stating that he rushed my signature and didn't care about it made me realize that he took advantage of me being a 'nice guy' and I then had some evidence to show of him admitting he rushed to get it done and probably hadn't even started it until AFTER I sent the message @ 10pm on 5/11/14, whereas I had initially thought it was a coincidence and that I was being impatient.

The important thing to realize here is that I did not have any thoughts of 'reporting a scammer' until AFTER he posted his comment on thread, 'my new signature' and I realized that he had in fact duped me and taken advantage of my 'nice guy' attitude. Once he self admittedly said he rushed to get it done, I was then able to see the lack of effort that was put into the signature. It was my fault for accepting the quality of the signature it was in, without it truly meeting my expectations. Nonetheless, once he admitted he didn't take his time like I had asked him to, it confirmed everything I said in my post. (#3)

You're calling me dramatic, immature, unprofessional. Yet you didn't pm me once to clear this up and went straight into a rage/cry mode report where you write out more then someone who's been scammed 15b.

Regarding the comment about me writing more then someone who's been scammed 15b, I agree 100%. But if that's what it takes and this is what I have to do to get my point across, then so be it. It's not about the amount I was scammed for, but the concept.

Your argument is that I wasn't scammed because I had agreed to the signature, but that's because it is a nice signature, but it wasn't til' after you admitted yourself that you rushed to get it done, that I realized you scammed me. Regarding the definition of 'scam,' you tried to make 'quick profit' by pulling a fast one and rushing to get a signature finished after I simply said I would just like my money back. Now, what you did with the money (claiming you gave it to Entrr) is beyond me.

I'm going to end this thread, and hopefully this is the last time I have to make another one of these before a rank steps their foot down and comes up with a conclusion since we obviously can't do it ourselves. Before I do that, I want to highlight a few of my key points here.

1.) I was NEVER going to 'report a scammer' until AFTER you posted a reply on my thread, http://www.sythe.org/graphics-gallery/1712020-my-new-signature.html and I realized you had taken advantage of me and you indeed had pulled a quick one on me.
(Initially, I had my guard down and had full faith in a very reputable graphic designer that I didn't take the time to think twice after you sent my signature b/c I never expected you to neglect and take advantage of me by rushing to get my signature done because you 'hardly care about me.')

2.) After being referred by Entrr, I sent him to 'Murdshop's profile' and told him how I really liked his signature. He reluctantly told me he was the one who made it, and that's when I knew I had found the right graphic designer for my signature.
(I am aware it doesn't mean anything to compare my signature, but I still want you guys to see the difference between the two. Actually, he was aware this is what I wanted my signature to be similar to and it goes to show the amount of potential my signature had vs. the lack of effort that was actually put into it, thus confirming that he did not follow my orders and as he said so himself, rushed to get it done.)

Mine: (Just needs 3D text, lines removed, and the 'S' to be more defined and it would be perfect)

Murds:

I was a bit worried I don't have enough of an argument to win this battle, but after this post, (sorry for the length, but I had a lot to say) I was able to realize that the whole reason I made this 'report a scammer' thread in the first place wasn't after I got the signature and didn't like it, wasn't after I got negative feedback on my signature, but was AFTER he posted his comment on my thread and said so himself that he had no regard for my signature and rushed after I asked him not to. I had originally received the signature hours after saying I didn't want him to rush it, and I quickly accepted it like a dumbass because I was just happy to have a signature to finally use and not worried about what was wrong with it.

It wasn't until he posted his comment that he confirmed every accusation I had within my thread and post. (#3) Initially, I had let my guard down to 'Lvl 75 Def' due to his reputation and figured it was a coincidence and me being impatient after the signature was done within a few hours after I sent a message regarding me wanting a refund and asking him not to rush to get it done. I made a thread and asked for peoples feedback and once I got some feedback from others, I was able to give my feedback regarding how I truly felt about the signature. I didn't really bother messaging 'Lvl 75 Def' about it because it was quite obvious he wasn't interested in making me a signature to the best of his ability (after all, it was a week late, and when he finally did it, it was done in less than a couple hours. Now, I'm not sure how long a quality signature normally takes, such as Murdshops but however long a signature like his would take, mine took about a 1/3 of the time less, I'm assuming). So, rather than messaging him with my problems and basically just accepting the fact that I got a signature that wasn't really worth what I paid for, I vented how I really felt about the signature on my thread. Well, apparently 'Level 75 Def' didn't like what I said (which I don't understand why he would be mad. He, himself, admits he rushed to get it done and didn't care what it looked like and acted surprised that I wasn't happy with the outcome but expects me to message him telling him what I don't like about it. Oh, the irony.) and told all of Sythe.org that "And yes i did rush it because i hardly cared about you" and "Gonna be a total dick now and say kty for the money."

How is this man going to get offended that I realized this signature didn't meet its full potential and I was unhappy that I essentially wasted his money. He claims that I should had messaged him, rather than making a thread and what not, but how's that make sense when he doesn't give a fuck about me? If he doesn't give a fuck about me, then why would he give a fuck about what I have to say? Brain cell count: 0. On top of that, for the 100th time, I had no intentions of making a 'scam report' until after he made those statements. That thread was for the sole purpose of getting feedback from others and seeing if they felt the same way I did.

Sorry for the massive reiterations and repeats not only within this post, but within the entire thread but reputation is the father of learning and if that's what it takes for others to see my point of viewer stronger than his, than that's what I will do. I've obviously wasted a lot more time involved in this matter that I've lost out on a lot money, but the point of this thread more than getting my money back, is to exploit this jerk and his ways.

GFX Design hould be a PRIVILEGE, NOT a RIGHT.

 

[Lvl 75 Def]

(Normally, you would get away with it but this time, you decided to post on my thread saying how you rushed my signature because you 'hardly cared about me.' This may actually be the first time you have been caught red handed and the first time someones putting up a fight against your bullshit.)

Man you're on some serious csi shit.



I don't intend on repeating myself for the 46th time as you have. I can't imagine what a pain it must be to know you in real life. And i'm not the only one who thinks that haha.

I'm going to go completely against myself and refund you fully, feel free to pm me your pp adress.

This can be closed if you agree. And you should because i wont make another post in the dispute section again regarding this.

 

[Dave]

Dude, Lvl 75, make the changes he's requested. Stop being stubborn, it takes all of 5 minutes to change it, there's three slight things.

So what if he's called you lazy, don't become dramatic over it, it's literally nothing to throw a hissy-fit over, you're both adults. If you're not, then you should at least learn to act like one.

I stand by what I said that you need to make the slight edits he's requested. If no other staff gives their input, I'm gonna go ahead and move forward with this.

 

[xNo Limitsx]

PMed.

I am currently waiting on the funds to show up in my PayPal account.

edit: Received. This can be closed.

Thank You.

 

[Dave]

Thanks guys.