Reveal Mod Logs

[Heads447]

The original thread for this suggestion can be found here: http://www.sythe.org/denied-suggestions/625503-reveal-mod-logs.html I suggest you quickly browse through and read that thread before you comment/post here with the pros and cons of this idea.

Before people spam this thread by saying things like "It's already on the DNS", I already know its on the DNS--I don't want to hear that excuse. However, that particular suggestion was brought up all the way back in 2009, and Sythe has come a LONG way since then. I obviously wasn't around in 2009, but I'd be willing to bet that new ideas other members have suggested like the new miniranks or MotM awards that have been recently implemented would have been instantly denied back then.

Like jCash proposed in 2009, I think this still would be a good idea. I think it would be a great way for the community to see how active a particular mod is. Many people constantly criticize mods for being inactive, even though that may/may not be the case. I'll bring up Frenzy, for example. Many people constantly bitch n moan about how inactive she is and that she doesn't deserve to be a global, let alone a mod...blah, blah, blah. The common argument for this, is that she does things "behind the scenes", which I completely do not doubt. However, it's quite hard for ordinary members to believe this and take mod's word for this, thus is why many people are still skeptical. This is just one of many reasons why revealing mod logs would be good for the community. I don't really see any harm in releasing them to the public and if it gets to the point where it starts to be a problem, then just don't reveal mod logs anymore.

P.S. free Marrow...

 

[Laptop65]

(Its called modscore now, the old system was called mod logs) People tend to start judging mods and stuff based on their modscore alone. For example one mod can be actively posting around the community and be doing more posting than moderating. However someone else could just be doing bans and spam reports and hardly post at all. When the modscore is posted through the person who did more mod stuff is more likely to get praise because they have the highest score while posting around in the community does not gain modscore (if that makes sense).

I doubt non-staff know the minimum mod-score requirement for the month but last time I saw it was pretty low. I would imagine the lowest scorers will be criticised every time even if they have a valid reason for it (although some don't have a good reason)

tl;dr - It could cause misjudgement to the staff when people look at it. Although it could be trialled for a month or two to see how it goes. Staff are free to release their own mod scores but not others.

 

[Punjabi3]

Pretty sure you only get mod logs for infractions, closing disputes, closing scam reports, and closing spam reports. A mod can release their own mod logs if they want. If you say a mod isn't doing anything ask them for their mod log score and they are allowed to give you it if you want.

 

[djweasel]

What Punjabi said, we can reveal them as we see fit. No need for the whole community to see. It'll just cause more drama.

Example: everyone praises someone, then they realize they did nothing other than posting all over and make minimal amount of logs. Other people will just get mad.

 

[Heads447]

(Its called modscore now, the old system was called mod logs) People tend to start judging mods and stuff based on their modscore alone. For example one mod can be actively posting around the community and be doing more posting than moderating. However someone else could just be doing bans and spam reports and hardly post at all. When the modscore is posted through the person who did more mod stuff is more likely to get praise because they have the highest score while posting around in the community does not gain modscore (if that makes sense).

I doubt non-staff know the minimum mod-score requirement for the month but last time I saw it was pretty low. I would imagine the lowest scorers will be criticised every time even if they have a valid reason for it (although some don't have a good reason)

tl;dr - It could cause misjudgement to the staff when people look at it. Although it could be trialled for a month or two to see how it goes. Staff are free to release their own mod scores but not others.

Laptop65, thank you that for the correction. What ever would I have done if you hadn't corrected me on this... -.- In all seriousness though, people will find even the slightest excuse to criticize a certain mod anyways. You of all people should know this, as you are one of the few who constantly say that so-and-so is inactive in the staff feedback section. Also, hypothetically, if a mod such as Roary did not give out infractions, lock threads, whatever that is required to earn modscore, but is actively posting around the forums (which he is doing), the community wouldn't really complain, judge, or criticize him because they would know that he was active and contributing to various threads on this site. I do agree with you however that it should be trialled for a month or two and I'll take that as a support. There would be no harm in trying it out.

@DjWeasel: I don't really get your example, would you mind clarifying it just a little bit?

 

No thanks, it'll just be a popularity contest

 

Laptop65, thank you that for the correction. What ever would I have done if you hadn't corrected me on this... -.- In all seriousness though, people will find even the slightest excuse to criticize a certain mod anyways. You of all people should know this, as you are one of the few who constantly say that so-and-so is inactive in the staff feedback section. Also, hypothetically, if a mod such as Roary did not give out infractions, lock threads, whatever that is required to earn modscore, but is actively posting around the forums (which he is doing), the community wouldn't really complain, judge, or criticize him because they would know that he was active and contributing to various threads on this site. I do agree with you however that it should be trialled for a month or two and I'll take that as a support. There would be no harm in trying it out.

@DjWeasel: I don't really get your example, would you mind clarifying it just a little bit?

Okay here's a hypothetical situation.

Everyone posts great feedback for KMJT over the period of a month. At the end of the month, his mod score gets released and it turns out he did jack shit for that month. Do you think he'd get abused somewhat for that? I do.

The only people who *really* need to see modscores are the administrators, as we're the only ones who really can make the call whether someone stays or goes. We've said it before though: staff are welcome to share their own modscores.

 

[mage3158]

It just makes it easier when I assume you're all lazy ass slackers.

 

[Add My Msn]

Revealing mod logs would mean more drama.

 

It just makes it easier when I assume you're all lazy ass slackers.

Well I assume if you were actually nice to people, more moderators would be happy to share their scores with you.

 

[Heads447]

Okay here's a hypothetical situation.

Everyone posts great feedback for KMJT over the period of a month. At the end of the month, his mod score gets released and it turns out he did jack shit for that month. Do you think he'd get abused somewhat for that? I do.

Not all it. If it's only for one month then people should realize that maybe he just had a bad month, had to take time off to deal with irl situations, or just went on vacation. However, if it starts becoming a trend, month after month, then yes he will start to (and deserves) to get abused and criticized for his lack of (moderating) activity.

 

[I_DONT_BOT]

Is a moderator releasing his modscore to a friend considered leaking? I've never dared ask incase it is. Also, why is there no modscore in the Report a Ban Evader, it's rather strange as it's a branch of RaSc.

 

[Laptop65]

It wouldn't kill just to try for one month. Even if it went well you could just trial for one month and never do it again. Although if this is done maybe have the admin also post "Please remember that modscore is not everything when it comes to moderating on Sythe.org, there are other factors to take into account too" or something like that.

Is a moderator releasing his modscore to a friend considered leaking? I've never dared ask incase it is. Also, why is there no modscore in the Report a Ban Evader, it's rather strange as it's a branch of RaSc.

No, a mod can tell their friends their mod score, just not other staff's score.

Plus I'm pretty sure modscore does count in Report a Ban evader, at least when I was on staff...

 

It wouldn't kill just to try for one month. Even if it went well you could just trial for one month and never do it again. Although if this is done maybe have the admin also post "Please remember that modscore is not everything when it comes to moderating on Sythe.org, there are other factors to take into account too" or something like that.



No, a mod can tell their friends their mod score, just not other staff's score.

Plus I'm pretty sure modscore does count in Report a Ban evader, at least when I was on staff...

I'd rather we didn't. I'm not gonna overturn any discussion about it though, and if there is a unanimous staff agreement on publicising mod scores then so be it. Until then, they'll be staying hidden.

 

[I_DONT_BOT]

It wouldn't kill just to try for one month. Even if it went well you could just trial for one month and never do it again. Although if this is done maybe have the admin also post "Please remember that modscore is not everything when it comes to moderating on Sythe.org, there are other factors to take into account too" or something like that.



No, a mod can tell their friends their mod score, just not other staff's score.

Plus I'm pretty sure modscore does count in Report a Ban evader, at least when I was on staff...

That's alright then, I always wondered what Dave was getting right at the beginning when he was a modlog whore. I know that there isn't any in Ban Evader as when I was making a lot of threads there a few joked about just put them in RaSc so it gives logs.

 

Moderator scores are a poor indicator of how much a person can actually contribute. Spam reports are very minor issues. I'd prefer to have staff interaction and a staff that thinks through their decisions. Anyone can do these logs but they don't give credit to what's more important imo: intelligent staff who use logic.

I don't want a bunch of drones who are intimated by not getting the highest public moderator scores. That's what would happen...

 

[mage3158]

Well I assume if you were actually nice to people, more moderators would be happy to share their scores with you.

I was kidding. I don't care about modscore anyways.

 

I dont mind people seeing mine at least, or sharing mine

but there are cases where peoples actual scores can look low, but they can be doing an awesome job nonetheless. There's no need, if you're curious then ask em and if they don't want to provide them then rest assured they would be pulled up about it should they be doing a crap job every month xD

 

[SuF]

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November: 53
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[Snow Patrol]

Honestly modlogs aren't even a good method of showing how much work a particular mod has done.

The mod with the highest amount of modlogs isn't necessarily doing the most work, but that's how people will see it. No need for staff to further scrutinize how much effort they put in, they're all volunteers and shouldn't have to worry about the backfire of the community when they don't have the time to put in more than the minimum.