Why don't we use a VBulliten Feedback Plugin such as iTrader etc?

YoHoJo · Feb 12, 2013

Mods, before you shoot this down as always, can we at least have a good discussion about it first.
If you want to move the thread elsewhere that's fine too, but I'd like to have an extensive discussion about this topic.

Why don't we use a VBulliten Feedbcak Plugin such as iTrader etc?
I believe iTrader is free.

Some screenshots of what it looks like:
http://i.imgur.com/mIrG8TH.png
http://i.imgur.com/Uxl1QkD.png

It's the type of feature a VBulliten forum (ESPECIALLY a Market) should have.
Everyone is always wanted to make Sythe more popular and user-friendly, well this addon will do just that!

It makes giving and receiving vouches easy, it looks clean, it standardizes how the process should be done, and each user can have a little counter by their username which displays their + - vouches and what % is positive making it easier for buyers/sellers to gauge how 'trusted' a person is by their quantity and % of positive feedback.

It's just a painful and primitive process to have and maintain a vouch thread, taking the time to copy, paste, number, etc each individual vouch.
Especially if you run a business with very high traffic, or fall behind on doing all of the upkeep for a few days/weeks.
We're not living in the 90s anymore.

With a system like iTrader everything is simplified, automated, and looks way more clean/professional.

So what are the specific reasons a plugin like this has not been implemented before? What's the harm?
I don't see any obvious reason why this shouldn't be implemented, and it's something that a MARKET based forum like Sythe should have by default!

Please only post if you have something meaningful and constructive to say.

E:
Read up some old threads, it seems that some people are firmly against this for no apparent good reasons, only problem I see is that Sythe VB version is too low to implement it.

Fendle · Feb 12, 2013

Only reason I think is because it would be a pain in the ass for people with all their vouches already.

YoHoJo · Feb 12, 2013

Fendle said:
Only reason I think is because it would be a pain in the ass for people with all their vouches already.

Yeah I've seen that argument before.
People can just still keep a link to their old vouches and display it as they please, they aren't going anywhere, and they are all still valid.
All of the 'new' vouches afterwords can just be logged onto the iTrader.
Anyone who does business often will be able to easily bring their new numbers up.

szskateman22 · Feb 12, 2013

I'm sorry, can you provide some screenshots of this. I don't have a vBulletin account...

This modification offers you a rating system for trades which are made on your board. As it is an advantage of the rating system on ebay, this gives your users some secureness.

Is this basically saying that it will essentially equate to that of the ebay rating system?

The biggest problem I can see with this is that there will be a lot of things that people want to give reviews on gfx and middle manning. I mean middle manning has a completely different review system as well.

I don't know (if)/think this will work.

Fendle · Feb 12, 2013

szskateman22 said:
I'm sorry, can you provide some screenshots of this. I don't have a vBulletin account...

Is this basically saying that it will essentially equate to that of the ebay rating system?

The biggest problem I can see with this is that there will be a lot of things that people want to give reviews on gfx and middle manning. I mean middle manning has a completely different review system as well.

I don't know (if)/think this will work.

Go on to PowerBot or something and look at their feedback system it isn't the same as the iTrader but it will show you a taste of what it is like. Its like eBay's feedback system.

szskateman22 · Feb 12, 2013

Fendle said:
Go on to PowerBot or something and look at their feedback system it isn't the same as the iTrader but it will show you a taste of what it is like. Its like eBay's feedback system.

Thank you Fendle. I mean if it looks like that it might not be a problem. The only thing that I think might be an issue are those people who keep their regular vouches (buys/sales) separate from their MM/OMM vouches - I guess they can keep the MM vouches in a their thread??

Personally, I won't have a problem with it as I don't MM/OMM and rarely trade as it is. Feedback won't be a problem for me.

Nick · Feb 12, 2013

I've always been in favor of iTrader. It adds a much more professional feel to the website and makes our accounts look like they're more for trading. Like actual merchant accounts which makes sense on a site like this. If we're modernizing the website, this is definitely the next step. We've got to be the last merchant website still using vouches.

I'm not sure of the addon's specific features. Is it possible to have different categories of vouches? ie the user selects which category (accounts, gold, middlemanning) and posts a vouch there for easy sorting? If not, could we modify the add-on?

I_DONT_BOT · Feb 13, 2013

It's easier to remove a bad vouch than a bad feedback, especially if it's not deserved. Also, the vouch system works fine, and it's take ages for it all to be xferred over. Lets say someone with 12 vouches got 20 feedback, but someone with 200 had 6, newcomers are going to try the 12 vouch guy as they won't understand the vouches, they'll think it's fake. Therefore, no support from me.

Elena · Feb 13, 2013

I also think the vouch system is working fine. If the system is not broken why fix it? I just don't see a need for it.

Hydratotts · Feb 13, 2013

I_DONT_BOT said:
It's easier to remove a bad vouch than a bad feedback, especially if it's not deserved. Also, the vouch system works fine, and it's take ages for it all to be xferred over. Lets say someone with 12 vouches got 20 feedback, but someone with 200 had 6, newcomers are going to try the 12 vouch guy as they won't understand the vouches, they'll think it's fake. Therefore, no support from me.

People could always convert them.

I'm a big supporter of iTrader, it's a nice professional fresh look. Every other forum who uses then has a good reputation, thereire it works.

I_DONT_BOT · Feb 13, 2013

Hydratotts said:
People could always convert them.

I'm a big supporter of iTrader, it's a nice professional fresh look. Every other forum who uses then has a good reputation, thereire it works.

You can't add itrader yourself..

mustard2 · Feb 13, 2013

Quantity isn't everything though. My 20+ vouches would become 20 positive feedback, same as someone who did 20 free skilling services.

Hydratotts · Feb 13, 2013

I_DONT_BOT said:
You can't add itrader yourself..

I don't quite get what you mean?

I know it's a Plugin/Add-On.

Add My Msn · Feb 13, 2013

I am happy with the current system and I don't see a reason why not to be happy with it.

Elena · Feb 13, 2013

^ this is my main point, that there is nothing wrong with the current system so why change it? I am sure there are other things staff could be using it's time on to work on to make the site better, not worry about something that isn't broken.

S · Feb 13, 2013

I think we're far passed the stage where this should have been implemented. However, implementing it now is little too late. There will be far to many misunderstanding and lack of knowledge when new traders arrive and are unsure as to what to base there opinion on. Sythe's system is yes, old, but it's still working as of now.

If for example current vouches could be carried over and somehow added to the iTrader application, then I'd be in support of it being added. If not, no support.

its_shizam · Feb 13, 2013

I have no vouches so it wouldn't bother me one bit, it is a good system but on other sites I've been on that had it you always had some b-holes who would -rep someone just because they didn't like them. And Im sure you would have that happen here too.

Zuzel111 · Feb 13, 2013

I do like the current system also, much more than feedback system, feedbacks can be faked and it would be difficult to proove what for feedback was gained, on sythe if trade is suspicious (looks like fake vouch) it's needed to show proof of trade

I_DONT_BOT · Feb 13, 2013

Hydratotts said:
I don't quite get what you mean?

I know it's a Plugin/Add-On.

I meant that we couldn't add our previous vouches to the iTrader ourselves, as you can't leave yourself feedback.

Hydratotts · Feb 13, 2013

I_DONT_BOT said:
I meant that we couldn't add our previous vouches to the iTrader ourselves, as you can't leave yourself feedback.

Ohh right, yeah of course. If you really wanted feed back you could contact the people in the vouch thread And ask them to leave feedback on your iTrader page.

But on the other hand, it will be hard for the mods to spot the fake ones etc.

Why don't we use a VBulliten Feedback Plugin such as iTrader etc?

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