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  1. Punjabi3

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    If somebody has an interest in the topic they should be able to read all his arguments without needing a list to dumb it down to be honest.

    His topics are clear and his argument for them is shown with his solution he believes will work. It is a lot to take in but a person who wants to argue his points should be able to make their own jot notes if needed
     
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    I was going to explain it, but Punjabi did it for me. I don't want people only reading the list and not paying attention to details, which I guarantee would happen.

     
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    Staff ought to stop being so unprofessional. It is incontrovertible that in many areas x339 makes valid points. It's risible to suggest that the site is perfect, so constructive criticism, such as that offered by x339, should not be dismissed by staff members keen to refute each and every point made. Take it on board and something may be gained.

    This forum exists in a capacity for those that have something to say about the site, its mechanics, staff, and so on, to go ahead and say so, without becoming a victim of scorn.

    Unprofessional and rude. If you want to cultivate a theme of honesty and transparent expression in this forum, this sort of response to people's feedback ought to be strongly discouraged by staff. Rather than converging unitedly upon an individual who has come here to express his views, converge upon the staff members that help fuel the flames of staff-user conflicts such as this one.
     
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    Yes, you are correct Finn. My apologies, x339. I think that I have too much of a personal bias and not that much to contribute anyways so I will cease posting here.
     
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    X339, you make some very good points. I'd like to point out that Powerbot is also a botting site, which is 100% the reason why they have so many active members all the time.
     
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    Although I think yes, making specific points would be targeted, is this not targeted as well? Make a list for us, or maybe just me personally. I would love to see the suggestions that you have for us, or even come up with some together if ideas are to be had.

    I think most of us understand that their is something wrong, but while we agree/disagree with what it is, perhaps give us something to support. I, again much against personal biases or possible prejudices, would love, love, LOVE to see what could become out of a group of clear, unbiased suggestions based off of careful thought, regardless of how others may be opposed (based on a position of self-interest and self-furtherance, which seems to be the case in much of Sythe's history).

    Is this something we could collaborate, as a site and a whole, in?
     
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    Check the first page. It includes a well thoughout, carefully wrote list of suggestions and grievances. It may be long, but if you just make a list you are missing 90% of the information. Which, as Punjabi said, if you don't care to you read it then it would be useless to make a list.
     
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    I completely disagree. Have you read the thread?

    In my opinion this is the best thread anyone has made in quite a while. While it may annoy some us, or anger others, it DOES bring up some valid points.

    That being said, I disagree with some, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Should we let the few who disagree with what he has brought up silence the discussion?



     
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    @Alma: You're posts are gone but A) A list is needed. I've explained why multiple times and I won't again. B) That was not sarcasm and suggesting it was is highly disrespectful and very insulting. C) Thinking we can do everything that x339 has suggested in a few days is simply ridiculous.

    Now I spoke to Govind. General admins have all the admin powers they need to run the staff and run the forum. They have no need for any more permissions at all. That's #2 on my list already done (isn't it nice that we can easily see all and recall everything he wanted to suggest without going through all the backstory again?).

    This can be discussed. A feedback system was added to the DNS list because it was not a feedback system. It was basically a rep system (plus rep for this post) and we didn't want that. I'm assuming that if anyone posted about a feedback system without clearly explaining pros and cons and the like it would just get lumped with the rep system. Prove me wrong by finding me a suggestion like that that got denied.

    This also can be discussed. Matthew can change the rules for Paypal donations and he is already aware of the issues surrounding donations and stuff and will be working to make everything run smoother. I can't give you a timeframe as he had a very busy real life right now but it will be done eventually. Have some patience.
     
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    Guys, have you ever heard of real poor?? That would be a great system to implement here, it would provide an easier work load for moderators, as well as providing an easier trade environment for traders! Go check it out, I'm a mod there :p
     
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    How do things change then? If your worried that it's going to be shot down, how will changes ever go into effect? Fuck mate, if you have any ideas, send em to me and I'LL suggest them. I'm not worried about being shot down over and over, and dealing with all the bullshit from people that you've stated before would happen.

    I just don't see the point of this thread unless we TRY to change things.

    EDIT: I understand you have 'listed' some improvements that you believe should be made. But you haven't given us the answers, your thoughts/suggestions, or even a little bit of guidance as to how we should fix these problems.
     
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    ~_~ For the millionth time, everything I am suggesting is in the thread. I made very clear suggestions backed up by my points and details. I am not going to make a simple list of the things I've already said because it's just going to cause more problems for me then I'd care to deal with. Read the thread, if you forgot part of it and don't want to re-read it then I am sorry, but I am not changing my mind.
     
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    I've read the thread, multiple times.

    Read my post. If you are unwilling to make a simple list and put it out there because of the 'problems it would cause you', how the hell are you going to change anything? Or for that matter how do you expect anyone else to?

    Anyone showing support for you is right, but so wrong. Supporting something that is literally going in circles for lack of concrete ideals that can be laid down and decided upon is supporting the idea of nothing at all.

    I like many of your 'suggestions' although they are not nearly as refined nor particular as I and many others would like. I have to ask why you posted this in the beginning if you never planned on making a difference to start with.
     
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    This thread seems to have evolved from 'Hey, admins, please care a little more' to 'Let's fucking change everything and evolve past the point we actually can.' I'm not going to spend a lot of time chewing out everyone for every specific thing they say, but I'd like to make a statement:

    Sythe's growth is proportionate to Runescape Real-World trading. Yes, there are other things, but that's what it's based on and that's the core. Powerbot will always be popular in terms of members as long as they have their botting clients. Many people bot personally, but not everyone has hundreds to blow on Runescape Gold or other trades all the time. We had a major boom during free trade, and it's slowly dying down as it should. The only way we would be able to increase the activity is introducing something revolutionary such as a bot or something else, where people will come to Sythe to. Otherwise, it's fine the way it is, and although it would be nice if more improvements were implemented with proper support of the community, none of it will majorly affect the activity of the website. People could care less about improvements to the software. They will still come to trade. Yes, it would be nice if we had vB4, more PM space, a bump button, and more, but it will not change the core of what Sythe do be is. Ya dig? #skweezyrecords #yolo #formercashmoney
     
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    Alright think about it, if I made a list of this, this, and this (basically just a copy and paste from my OP), and people read it. I am going to hear endless idiotic babble because none of them bothered to pay attention to the details, and so they instantly shoot it down. The issues are much more complicated then "I want this, this, and this done", they require analysis, details, explanation, and so on. It requires more then just looking at a simple bulleted list of what I think should change. The only reason this thread would be going in circles is because the staff are refusing to participate. I could tell YOU all about what i wanted, but is that really going to matter? Hardly, because you're not in the position to change anything, and if you want to just repeat what I said in list form then you're going to have deal with the same things I am dealing with.
     
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    And the difference between A) That thread (which you COULD make) B) This one?

    At least in that one(B), those who DO support you (and there are quite a few of us, despite insistence of the opposite :s ) could voice SPECIFIC points that we do support. If you're not in the view point that that thread would matter, does this accomplish any more than that? And what was the point in posting this to start with? I (and others, regardless of whether your ideas would get shot down by them) wish for your suggestions. I disagree with your point that sending me (or for that matter, ANYONE else) your ideas and wants would change nothing; It would change MORE than nothing, which is exactly what is being changed by NOT allowing them to be seen as such.

    If all you were looking for is staff support, you sure have not gained it through your repeated denial of requests for concrete, organized, and seperated suggestions. You can't support what has NOT been suggested, and you can blame no one other than yourself for that.
     
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    This is essentially exactly how it is IMO, we cannot bring any new faces because RWT isn't something that just gets bigger through advertising, everyone who plays RS knows about RWT and they'll know how to find us.. we are on the first page for "RS blackmarket".

    To grow we need something that attracts new users; it could be an official release of a bot, private server, or something such as that.

    As for the admin thing; Its really a bit of a weird situation, According to their position description as dictated by Sythe himself, they are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing, and according to your expectations of what an administrator should be, they're not. Any staff member here who can see the Staff Lounge(s) will understand they do indeed put a large amount of their free time into this site despite every one of them working fully outside of sythe.
     
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    Again, my concrete suggestions are in the thread, read it again if you have to.

    That's the biggest problem we have right now. Everyone is limiting sythe to the RS market. Why? Last I checked we were the craigslist of virtual goods, not the craigslist of RS. Currently the RS market is our biggest one, which is good because it is keep us afloat. We need to be thinking of how we can expand on everything else, not just the RS market (and I hardly think we've got every single RWTer on this site already). As I showed before, the diablo 2 & diablo 3 market is huge, the WoW market out there isn't quite as big, but it's still bigger than what we've got going. The opportunities for other markets to grow is a huge one, but no one does anything about that. Again I go back to the Diablo 3 market, we had the chance to be big, we literally had one of the first Diablo 3 markets on the internet, and the opportunity was blown. Sythe made no effort to advertise it, no one made any effort to draw people to (other than a few people such as myself and n4n0 who advertised it in-game) the market. It just sat there. It sat there while everyone just hoped it would gain activity. I fear the same will happen to the GW2 market when it is released as well.
     
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