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World Cup - N. Korea?

Angelmax said:
Where the hell is this rubbish about the oil spill coming from? If you want to blame anyone, blame yourself. You demanded more and more oil, and you wanted it cheaply. This is the result.
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I get your point, but can't blame myself really, I'm 14, don't use much oil really :)
 
rsaccounttrader said:
To address the Taliban topic: 90% of Americans, including Pure Skillzz, do not know what the Taliban is. The Taliban is not one terrorist organization, the world Taliban (طالبان) in Arabic means 'local government'. These "Talibans" are tribal groups that have taken over their communities to protect them because the government is hopeless in Afghanistan.
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They are protecting there power. They could careless about the people.

They utilized Afghanistan's main export, Opium, and traded it for food and other necessities to save their communities. Now that their country has been invaded by the US and UN coalition forces, these Talibans have fought back to protect their communities, as they did in the 1980s against the Russians.
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They aren't protecting thier communities, they are protecting their power.

Some have even allied and form bigger organizations as they are at war, but in no way shape or form are they involved in terrorist activities against U.S. soil. They may utilize terrorist and guerilla tactics in their homeland (RPGs, IEDs, AKs) as they serve as a village watchguard. But the Taliban does not conduct suicide bombings (in general) or other "terrifying" activities against the civilian population.
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How could you say they don't do "terrifying" acts against the civilians? Have you read the list of rules under Taliban law in Afghanistan? Their punishments for the smallest things, such as being a woman in public alone, is public humiliation and being stoned to death in the streets.

The book "The Kite Runner" tells alot about Taliban law.

Those activities are done by groups like Al-Qaeda who have radically misinterpreted the Qur'an and now kill Christians and Jews.
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True.
 
I meant the legal definition of terrifying, meaning terrorist activities. I agree with you that Islamic society is much to strict on women and their punishments are very anti-humanitarian. However, the same punishments are used for the same crimes on people in Saudi Arabia, or ally which is considered a "civilized" country.

Also, I am sure some Taliban factions care more about their power than their people and I am sure there is much corruption. I was just stressing what the Taliban originally were, as everyone seems to believe they are more like Al-Qaeda and a terrorist organization then anything else.
 
pure skillzz said:
A soldier is a member of the armed forces for their country.

A terrorist is a person who brings terror upon people.
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So a soldier can't bring terror upon people?

I'd be pretty terrified if I was one of these civilians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granai_airstrike


Are you even reading my whole paragraph? I said people just like that are held there.
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Which members of Saddam's government were held there?




I guess Wikipedia can be a bit misleading.
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David Hicks had nothing to do with 9/11...


They are in no way shape or form soldiers. The Taliban isn't a countries armed forces. They are a terrorist organization. Neither are they government sponsored. American prisoners of war are tortured all the time. John McCain (The person running against Obama) was held in Vietnam and tortured brutally.
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Is your justification now that everyone else is doing it?



I'd like you to answer my question instead of answering it with another question.
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My reasoning is this.

Members of the taliban are either criminals or enemy combatants. If they are criminals, when taken to America they should be granted a free trial. If they are enemy combatants, they should be detained under the Geneva Convention.
 
Angelmax said:
Where do you think plastic comes from >_<
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Knew your going to say that :)
Ah, I'm trapped you won, have a cookie *gives a cookie*


ON-TOPIC

There really isn't nothing to discuss anymore, as someone stated before on this thread, NKorea can participate on the World Cup, because the plain idea of world cup is same as in Olympics; to bring together lots of people from different countries to compete in sports against eachother, regardless of their political situation.
 
War Monger3 said:
USA are playing and they violated human rights, Guantanamo Bay. Also most countries do things that aren't reported and that we don't know about.
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I realize that but North Korea is a whole country and Gunatanomo Bay is closing now.
 
Angelmax said:
So a soldier can't bring terror upon people?

I'd be pretty terrified if I was one of these civilians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granai_airstrike



Which members of Saddam's government were held there?





David Hicks had nothing to do with 9/11...



Is your justification now that everyone else is doing it?




My reasoning is this.

Members of the taliban are either criminals or enemy combatants. If they are criminals, when taken to America they should be granted a free trial. If they are enemy combatants, they should be detained under the Geneva Convention.
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Wow. You should join a debate team lol. Youre my new hero <3
 
madmax5213 said:
haha north korea, i saw on sportscenter they said north korea may have hired chinese actors to go to there games because they showed pictures and were all wearing the same clothes lol pretty sad if u have to hire actors to go to your games.
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The only reason I believe they might do that is they dont want their own population to go and then never come back lol
 
Angelmax said:
My reasoning is this.

Members of the taliban are either criminals or enemy combatants. If they are criminals, when taken to America they should be granted a free trial. If they are enemy combatants, they should be detained under the Geneva Convention.
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They aren't taken to the USA, Guantanamo is off the coast of Cuba. The United States have no jurisdiction there. Which is why we were aloud to torture them.

Supreme Court ruled in 2006 they weren't protected under the Geneva Convention.
 
pure skillzz said:
They aren't taken to the USA, Guantanamo is off the coast of Cuba. The United States have no jurisdiction there. Which is why we were aloud to torture them.
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It's not off the coast of Cuba.

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Supreme Court ruled in 2006 they weren't protected under the Geneva Convention.
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Again, why are you happy for your government to rule itself able to violate treaties it is a signatory of?
 
AAMagenta said:
I believe that certain countries should not be allowed to participate in the world cup especially N. Korea. They are a huge human rights violator and I think they shouldn't be allowed. not allowing them might not make a large difference but it would kinda make them rethink a few things. I aslo realize that most people there arnt bad and that it isnt there fault for living there and not being able to leave but I think they benefits outweigh the damages.

I also dont mean to sound like a pro redneck conservative who drives a 12MPG truck and has a shotgun in his back seat (No offense to them)

Discuss.


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sorry to burst your bubble but every country has some way violating human rights, even the USA believe itor not..
 
they losed 7-0 from portugal. :P

And it may not showed on tv int hat country.
They have to edit it first. 0.o
 
pure skillzz said:
Yes it is, what country do you think that was?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantánamo_Bay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

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We are not having this argument. Look at the map you posted. It is clearly not off the coast.

Guantánamo Bay (Spanish: Bahía de Guantánamo) is a bay located in Guantánamo Province at the southeastern end of Cuba (19°54&#8242;N 75°9&#8242;W&#65279; / &#65279;19.9°N 75.15°W&#65279; / 19.9; -75.15Coordinates: 19°54&#8242;N 75°9&#8242;W&#65279; / &#65279;19.9°N 75.15°W&#65279; / 19.9; -75.15). It is the largest harbor on the south side of the island and is surrounded by steep hills creating an enclave cut off from its immediate hinterland.
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How is it a violation?
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Torture is a violation of the Geneva convention for the treatment of prisoners of war.
 
Angelmax said:
We are not having this argument. Look at the map you posted. It is clearly not off the coast.
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You have to find something to argue about in everything.

Torture is a violation of the Geneva convention for the treatment of prisoners of war.
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They aren't prisoners of war. The Supreme Court said so.
 
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