I think he's responding to the question.
Not that you shouldn't, but you wouldn't have to.
Why should I be moral?
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megaman 2006
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Eh, it doesn't really matter, do what you want. Morality is just a human concept. Being immoral or moral doesn't change anything. The end result is all the same.
Also, being moral and appearing moral are two different things.
I completely disagree with this. The world is all about competition, and its extremely cutthroat. Most people do not want to spread around money. I personally wouldn't take a 200 dollar check and go find 20 homeless people and share it with them. If your family is starving, and you're interviewing for a job to get money for them. You're not going to give that job up because someone else needs the money. When things get tough, survival instinct will take over.
Also, being moral and appearing moral are two different things.
I completely disagree with this. The world is all about competition, and its extremely cutthroat. Most people do not want to spread around money. I personally wouldn't take a 200 dollar check and go find 20 homeless people and share it with them. If your family is starving, and you're interviewing for a job to get money for them. You're not going to give that job up because someone else needs the money. When things get tough, survival instinct will take over.
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wombakage
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I had a similar discussion with a kid I know. This is somewhat how it went:
Yeah, I think you should always at least try to have good morals
Me: What are morals?
Him: Are you stupid?
Me: No. I just want to know what you think morals are.
Him: They're-you know, what's right and wrong...
Me: Who decides what's right and what's wrong?
Him:Well it's the stuff your parents teach you so you need to abide by that.
Me: What if your parents teach you to lie and kill when you have the chance?
Him: Nobody's parents are going to do that.
Me:How can you speak for everyone's parents?
Him: I just know, man...morals.
Me: Right...
He came to a dead end in the argument, as most would. To decide whether we should act on morals, we should first see their source.
Yeah, I think you should always at least try to have good morals
Me: What are morals?
Him: Are you stupid?
Me: No. I just want to know what you think morals are.
Him: They're-you know, what's right and wrong...
Me: Who decides what's right and what's wrong?
Him:Well it's the stuff your parents teach you so you need to abide by that.
Me: What if your parents teach you to lie and kill when you have the chance?
Him: Nobody's parents are going to do that.
Me:How can you speak for everyone's parents?
Him: I just know, man...morals.
Me: Right...
He came to a dead end in the argument, as most would. To decide whether we should act on morals, we should first see their source.
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Being malleable is key to success in magic, and if one is not aware of the magic s/he is doing, then it is key to "life."
Morality is subjective. Consciousness and shared beliefs (i.e. egregores and god forms) create reality, and because of this, objective reality does exist, but not absolutely. A paradigm shift will result in operating under a set of conditions and rules with potential to be a totally inverted reality when contrasted against the previous. Nihilism is a stepping stone to truly comprehending (not totally, but truly) what is going on and why it happens. Nothing exists, everything is permitted, do what thou wilt.
That being said, your question is asking about the functionality of a specific paradigm. If you do not see the potential for gain in being "moral," you are CHOOSING to be blind. Doing good has a ripple effect in reality, and it seems to defy enthalpy. Instead of losing energy when dispersed throughout the system, putting in love multiplies at an exponential rate. Give 5 units of love to person X will really end up with X putting out, say, 5.5 units of energy to the system. This ripples throughout the system and it eventually comes back to you. Conversely, stealing a TV from X will piss him off, and perhaps prompt him to steal from his employer who then lays off employees. This too will eventually come back to, perhaps indirectly. Also keep in mind that the links closest to the initial drop of the pebble into water will experience the most intense gain, even though the ripples grow as they get farther away from the origin. That is why YOU notice your actions impacting your life. Karma is a very useful paradigm. It makes you feel good when you do the "right thing" too, which is a plus.
Of course, there may be times when morality gets in the way of the end result. At these times you will either need to develop a system of justification for your actions to keep operating under karma without negative consequences or adopt a more nihilistic philosophy to get shit done. After all, what matters are results.
I hope this tells you why you should or would want to be "moral."
Morality is subjective. Consciousness and shared beliefs (i.e. egregores and god forms) create reality, and because of this, objective reality does exist, but not absolutely. A paradigm shift will result in operating under a set of conditions and rules with potential to be a totally inverted reality when contrasted against the previous. Nihilism is a stepping stone to truly comprehending (not totally, but truly) what is going on and why it happens. Nothing exists, everything is permitted, do what thou wilt.
That being said, your question is asking about the functionality of a specific paradigm. If you do not see the potential for gain in being "moral," you are CHOOSING to be blind. Doing good has a ripple effect in reality, and it seems to defy enthalpy. Instead of losing energy when dispersed throughout the system, putting in love multiplies at an exponential rate. Give 5 units of love to person X will really end up with X putting out, say, 5.5 units of energy to the system. This ripples throughout the system and it eventually comes back to you. Conversely, stealing a TV from X will piss him off, and perhaps prompt him to steal from his employer who then lays off employees. This too will eventually come back to, perhaps indirectly. Also keep in mind that the links closest to the initial drop of the pebble into water will experience the most intense gain, even though the ripples grow as they get farther away from the origin. That is why YOU notice your actions impacting your life. Karma is a very useful paradigm. It makes you feel good when you do the "right thing" too, which is a plus.
Of course, there may be times when morality gets in the way of the end result. At these times you will either need to develop a system of justification for your actions to keep operating under karma without negative consequences or adopt a more nihilistic philosophy to get shit done. After all, what matters are results.
I hope this tells you why you should or would want to be "moral."
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I tend to agree with you. What we are taught are our morals. Who's to say Hilter didn't have the right ones and he saw "the light". (just an example)
But if I was brought up being told to hate black people for whatever reason, I probably would end up like that. Lots of people ARE LIKE THAT. Others say they are wrong. Who is to say who is right or wrong. All the laws we have are based on morals. What may be sick and wrong to us may be perfectly normal for someone else.
(im not racist it was just an example)
It depends how you are taught. Good of you to point this out.
I agree to what is being said above ^
I'm thinking that morals are more of a personal thing and what you think is right, however I think that there are morals that everyone abides by and not because they were told by their parents and such, like morals based on society as a whole.
I'm thinking that morals are more of a personal thing and what you think is right, however I think that there are morals that everyone abides by and not because they were told by their parents and such, like morals based on society as a whole.
i dont get this question
Great, but don't spam this forum. This one's for smart people. Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is that I don't believe morals are universal. There are several writings on morals which most people would agree with (most of John Locke's...it inspired a lot of American political/moral culture), but still, people will have different beliefs as to what needs to be done in order to make everyone happy. I believe these actions change with the world. Yeah, that's a pretty liberal standpoint but look at how morals have changed from one culture to another, the culture staying just as successful. America was very successful with slavery legal, as was Egypt, etc...but then again it was successful when that was deemed immoral simply because the times changed. I believe the times can call for different morals.
Chantecleer
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I think it is fun to be immoral just to be different from all those morality-based people that get boring after a while (I'm not saying to go out and rape women).
But since there is no man in the sky looking at your every action, it will not matter whether you steal or buy one sharpie.
But since there is no man in the sky looking at your every action, it will not matter whether you steal or buy one sharpie.
Of course, but the man in the sky, has taken the form of the man in uniform.
Chantecleer
Grand Master
yes, but if you want to apply immorality to other topics such as should I grope this girl then you can.
This actually brings up a funny story, this kid I know who is in 9th grade was suspended for 2 weeks for groping a girl on facebook's "titty grabbing day". So when he was suspended he was brought to the suspension alternative program where you basiclaly spend as much time as in a normal school day except you don't do anything and hang around criminals. So there was a closet where the owner kept all his quarters, and the kid stole about 10 quarters. This was on his last day, mind you. The enxt week they found out it was him and he was expelled from his school and sent back to the correction facility.
So yeah i guess you can be immoral as long as it's not unlawful.
I had a good laugh at the story, really sucks for the kid.
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wombakage
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honestly there is a difference between not following idiotic rules and being malicous.
dont like be mean just to say you're a rebel, youre justing being a douche. That kid basically violated a girl, and then commited a joke offence. the offence should be disregarded, but the malicous behavior looked at carefully
dont like be mean just to say you're a rebel, youre justing being a douche. That kid basically violated a girl, and then commited a joke offence. the offence should be disregarded, but the malicous behavior looked at carefully
Well what do you consider moral and immoral?
Because if no one was moral, the world would fall apart
Just because it is a law, does not make it immoral.
Infringing on anyone eles's right to live, property, ect. Anything a vast majority would consider being wrong with reasons & logic l. Reason on asking this question?