Legal pursuit of the people doxing/ddosing server

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I have seen several mods say cryptic things along the lines of they know who is constantly ddosing/doxing (honestly dont know the difference if there is any). My question is that this is a federal crime.. if you know who is doing it why arent we pursuing legal action possibly ending the issue altogether. I know there is probably a primary culprit (spyike or w/e seems to be who was inferred) and various other assholes unhappy about their ban/bans and what not. But letting these people get away with it scotfree is rather infuriating and only encourages others to have a way to possibly get back at the sythe community after receiving a ban or infraction or whatever they are butthurt over.
I cant find the threads where a mod/mods have acknowledged that they have an inkling of whats going on here but it has been mentioned/hinted on various threads concerning the ddosing/server issues that they know who is responsible. My thinking on this is that if we get the main culprit or honestly anyone doing it it would discourage anyone else from even considering doing this to sythe.org in the future.

 

Not to be all negative, but goodluck honestly going after someone who's ddosing is just a waste of time. Finding the culprit would be hard enough, but actually doing anything would be near-impossible. As well, it may be a federal crime in the U.S. but it's quite possible Sweden doesn't a damn about DDoSing

It takes a little bit more than a little DDoS from someone butthurt over a ban to take down Sythe, but nontheless there are plenty of people with the power to do so.

If you don't know anything about their bans, or the individuals themselves, don't go just throwing names out there. Spyike has been banned for well over a year, and I haven't seen him anywhere since March.

 

Erm... I would have to say Good Luck.

Not something to-do honestly.

 

As both Tmoe and TBT have implied, going after someone running a DDoS campaign against your website is not something to be taken lightly. It's time intensive, and if done incorrectly, fruitless.

There is a reason large companies invest in preventive measures, not responsive measures.

 

Didn't we offer a few years back a reward for people who told Sythe who was DDOSing the site.

 

That would be completely different.

Tracking IPs to a person isn't the same as having real proof of someone (even msn or skype) DDoSing.

That would be interesting to be brought back.

 

I know that, but I'm saying didn't someone offer up money back in the day, I'd assume that means they planned to press legal charges.

 

Let's consider the practicality of getting involved in the legal system when we are a black market forum that condones a lot of less than savory activities. It would be like a crack dealer calling the cops on someone who stole their crack. Not to mention the logistical nature of finding the DDoSer and then prosecuting them. It all costs money to do.

 

Yeah, we did. I can't find the thread relating to it though, may have been deleted :/

Honestly if anyone finds any proof of somebody DDoSing the website and manages to get some details regarding the person, I'm sure Sythe or the administrators would love to hear about it. But considering we've managed to deal with the troubles for years, I don't think Sythe wants to have to find, then take to court, a DDoSer, when it's more than less likely someone will step up and take there place.

 

this sounds like a genius idea, i had no clue it was ever in effect. We could possibly do this again with the reward being donations by people who want these fuckers caught.. im sure plenty of other people active in the market would be interested in helping donating to the cause

I know legal pursuit would be hard to do, but the FBI takes this shit pretty seriously.. cyber crime isnt taken lightly by them. My main point of contention is that im fairly sure some people here know/have a very good idea of who is doing it, with a good lead im sure something could be done.

Nothing on sythe is illegal per se, the site dont allow hackers/doxing/black hat shit or the selling of illegal or stolen goods, sure things slip through the cracks but this is the internet and anyone who deals with the internet would be sympathetic to that... i mean ebay sells illegal product every day and isnt held responsible. The police dont give a fuck that this site buys and sells videogame gold and bots/scripts.. thats against the runescape rules but isnt against any real world law... ddosing and whatnot on the other hand is a FEDERAL crime, your "It would be like a crack dealer calling the cops on someone who stole their crack" metaphor isnt fitting at all. Also as i said in OP i really think some of the staff have an idea as to who is doing this, i dont know all the pertinent details but i would love to have this looked into further.

 

like people say even if you know the person doing the DDOS proving it is almost 100% impossible. And if you finally catch one you will have to spend 50$k to procecute them in their country and if you get a conviction in a lot of countries it is only considered vandalism of proberty...

 

But the police do mind fraud, tax evasion, and things like that. Those are very serious crimes and it is better to not make a scene. I know for a fact there are numerous people here who don't pay taxes on the income that they get. If you bring attention, then you bring curious eyes. Trust me you don't want people prodding around, because it isn't as simple as saying 'Hey police, this guy is DDoSing me.'

 

The first thing I learned when I began my degree when studying Law was to never throw good money after bad. The amount of money Sythe spends on DDOS protection would be considerably less than that of civil proceedings against an individual.

 

The thread Richard made about information for DDoS attacks is here - http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=911703

While it would be nice to root out who is DDoSing us all the time and take them to court, sue them etc; you have to remember the amount of money, time and effort it would take to find out who's doing it. It could be ANY banned user on the site, hell it might even be an unbanned user or maybe even someone who isn't even registered here. It's honestly much more efficient to invest in DDoS protection rather than find out who is doing the DDoS attacks, even if we did find out who it was and sued them, who's to say it's just one person doing it?

It would be a nice thing to be rid of, but unless Richard wants to take it up himself with the authorities, that would be his choice.

 

I am sure they will get there most prestigious group of CIA agents to take down the culprit as soon as they pin-point his location.

 

This is a serious thread stop being a stupid asshole, you arent helping whatsoever. Be mature or go back to the spam forum.
It being a federal crime i hoped it might be a little bit easier to pursue, i may be ignorant to alot of things pertaining to ddosing and what not but i do know others who have done it in the past have been locked the fuck up.
http://www.infosecwreck.com/vigilante-hacker-receives-prison-time-for-ddos
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Curch-Scientology-Teen-Jailed-DDoS,news-5158.html
Given ddosing child predators and the church of scientology isnt something i look down upon.. the fact is even these unsavory types got the fuckers who attacked them thrown in prison. Them persecuting people ddosing this site when they have gotten someone ddosing pedophiles and religious wackjobs doesnt sound so ridiculous to me. It isnt a issue where you sue people, you report provide information and investigation is opened like with any other crime

Valid point, honestly im surprised alot of people here dont have the irs up their asses already with their "over $100,000 sold" or even the outrageous "over $4 million handled" statements after their names, seems like they are kinda asking for it and should consider possibly removing these kind of statements in the future if people are worried about tax evasion issues or even possibly not listing the actual money/gp handled in their vouches to not provide an "paper trail" per se but that would be another thread altogether.

Honestly im just hoping SOME form of justice cant be aimed at the people doing this. It seems here: http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=911703&page=6 people have some sort of ideas and hopefully others have more information as to the more recent attacks. I kinda shot my wad hoping for legal pursuit but im open to any other ideas

 

I actually know several of the big goldsellers on sythe has a registered company and pays taxes just like i do myself... So yes even if this is a blackmarket (kinda) then i believe it is mostly the smaller fish that dont pay taxes and the young traders etc.

I could be wrong but ive dealt with DDOS kids here in denmark before and in a recent case the kid got fined $1000.

 

I think Sythe himself wouldn't be bothered in tracking them down since it's quite hard. However the hosting company was apparantly interested in the past in taking legal action.

But it's quite easy to track down the IP's to the infected zombie PC's but how will you get any further to the person who's controlling the infected pc's?

 

In regards to the tax evasion i honestly wouldnt know, i was just remarking in reference to this post

and in the USA ddosing is a federal crime, but a $1000 fine is a good deterrent as well, people constantly getting away with it is seemingly encouraging it.. its apparently been going on for years and will continue to do so unless something is done

 

This is an admin+ issue only. Sythe has all the power on this issue.