Who made me and why?

[Cybex]

Welcome all Christians, Buddhists,Hindus, Atheists and Muslims and everyone else.
Was browsing youtube and BAM! This video pops up, I watched it and my life changed... in 20 minutes. I will never be the same. Take some time and watch it and lets discuss!
John was known as a Paraclete, mentions a Paraclete after him, which was Jesus. But did you know that Jesus also mentioned the coming of another PARACLETE after him?

 

[Shredderbeam]

Welcome all Christians, Buddhists,Hindus, Atheists and Muslims and everyone else.
Was browsing youtube and BAM! This video pops up, I watched it and my life changed... in 20 minutes. I will never be the same. Take some time and watch it and lets discuss!
John was known as a Paraclete, mentions a Paraclete after him, which was Jesus. But did you know that Jesus also mentioned the coming of another PARACLETE after him?

I generally don't watch 23 minute long videos, and I'm guessing most other people don't either. Personally, I believe that it's best to make your own argument, rather than link somebody to someone else's argument.

In this case, though, I'll make an exception. I'm in a good mood today.

I'll list my counterpoints by the time they occurred in the video:

1:40 - The Big Bang was not an explosion, it was a period of unimaginably rapid expansion. A common misconception, but still, a misconception.

1:47 - The Big Bang was the start of space and time. There was no primordial dust cloud.

2:35 - Nobody says that the Big Bang was random.

2:38 - The universe is far from perfect.

2:45 - I know I said it before, but the Big Bang was NOT an explosion, so it cannot be compared to the explosions caused by bombs.

3:06 - Entropy is actually the fact that an ISOLATED system tends towards disorder. Sounds nitpicky, I know, but it's an important distinction.

3:51 - Entropy has increased, not decreased, since the Big Bang, so no, science is not contradicting science at all.

4:12 - Oh, great. The Watchmaker Analogy, again. Paintings, sculptures, and buildings are not comparable to life, or any part of the natural universe. All of these things are irreducibly complex, nature is not.

4:32 - I would venture a guess that most atheists don't believe in a soul.

4:45 - Food, maybe?

5:20 - So science isn't advanced enough to create life...so what? We're not able to travel to other galaxies yet, that doesn't mean that it's impossible.

5:28 - No, we can, and do, revive the dead literally all the time while their organs still function. Have you never heard of somebody's heart stopping on the operating table?

5:44 - No, absolutely not. Self-organization is a thing.

I guess I'm not in THAT great a mood today, so I'm going to stop here. This is another video that relies on false premises, emotional music, and appeals to ignorance to sway minds. If you disagree with anything I've said, or if you want to type out your own argument, I'm happy to reply.

 

[boonie]

I do not think we have a real reason for existence apart from to reproduce, who knows earth could just be a massive farm for some high being

 

[Cybex]

@boonie Reproduction isnt a purpose if you think about it. Its just a cycle. Thats like saying you created a program just to cycle through the code over and over and not output something. You input something but there is no output. Anything that has ever been created be it a toy,car,or food has a purpose. To appeal to senses, perform a task,etc. Its not like you would create a car to act like a boat and still give it wheels. Sure it can perform the task of floating on water, but that isnt the purpose it was created for. If you think of it, think of life as a Test. The creator put us here to see who amongst us will actually follow his instructions and please him and who will do whatever we want to please ourselves. The test has a timelimit (called death) so when we die our test is over and we wait for the results (judgement day). If we pass the test we are rewarded (heaven) if we fail the test (hell). If you examine the commandments, each one is set in place to protect our best interest and not diving deeper into depression and attachment for this world. An example: People go to the gym to get muscles, some people want instant gratification and results so do steriods (it is costly/side effects/doesnt last after u stop) and some people go the hard way and take years of building pound by pound (its cheaper/no side effects/better health). One is a destructive method the other is constructive, both acheive the same results. Same goes with life, people get pleasure and contentment from being poor/rich and worshipping God, while others party their lives away, drugged up and always high (celebrities) and in the end they are miserable with all the wealth in the world.

 

[Rivenstarz]

Simply,We are just what matter can achieve given enough time and the right conditions

 

[Cybex]

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Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment." @Andy Samberg

Its not that you cannot understand the logic its because your ego is too big to believe in faith. Nobody in the world or existence has ever seen God but a lot of people believe? Isnt that the purpose of faith, to believe in the unseen. If God manifested himself directly infront of your eyes then could you deny his existence? Of course not. But then there would be no test would there?

 

[Cybex]

@Andy Samberg What proof do you have that God doesn't exist if you think you're soo wise?

 

[Shredderbeam]

@boonie Reproduction isnt a purpose if you think about it. Its just a cycle. Thats like saying you created a program just to cycle through the code over and over and not output something. You input something but there is no output. Anything that has ever been created be it a toy,car,or food has a purpose. To appeal to senses, perform a task,etc. Its not like you would create a car to act like a boat and still give it wheels. Sure it can perform the task of floating on water, but that isnt the purpose it was created for. If you think of it, think of life as a Test. The creator put us here to see who amongst us will actually follow his instructions and please him and who will do whatever we want to please ourselves. The test has a timelimit (called death) so when we die our test is over and we wait for the results (judgement day). If we pass the test we are rewarded (heaven) if we fail the test (hell). If you examine the commandments, each one is set in place to protect our best interest and not diving deeper into depression and attachment for this world. An example: People go to the gym to get muscles, some people want instant gratification and results so do steriods (it is costly/side effects/doesnt last after u stop) and some people go the hard way and take years of building pound by pound (its cheaper/no side effects/better health). One is a destructive method the other is constructive, both acheive the same results. Same goes with life, people get pleasure and contentment from being poor/rich and worshipping God, while others party their lives away, drugged up and always high (celebrities) and in the end they are miserable with all the wealth in the world.

Out of curiosity - why didn't you respond to any of the points I made in my earlier post?

 

[Cybex]

@Shredderbeam You watched the video with the sole intention of refuting everything. You did not even watch the whole thing but your ego made you believe that you are far superior in knowledge and prolly left you feeling that "You know this is easy". Why would I discuss with someone who apparently knows everything about the unseen without doubt? You and Andy are one and the same. You hearts are so black you have no gratitude to the one who creates or gives you life. You are probably the same people who go through life filling that void with materialistic things, women,drugs and in the end still feel empty.

Furthermore none of the things you said were based on your own thoughts. You simply tried to uses science to disprove science which is trying to prove religion? You didnt give any opinion or thoughts but simple just analyzed each statement and made sure you found a counter for it if it made sense or not when none of the statements made in the video were even lies or wrongful.


I'll list my counterpoints by the time they occurred in the video:

1:40 - The Big Bang was not an explosion, it was a period of unimaginably rapid expansion. A common misconception, but still, a misconception.

1:47 - The Big Bang was the start of space and time. There was no primordial dust cloud.

2:35 - Nobody says that the Big Bang was random.

2:38 - The universe is far from perfect.

I'll list my counterpoints by the time they occurred in the video:

1:40 - The Big Bang was not an explosion, it was a period of unimaginably rapid expansion. A common misconception, but still, a misconception.

1:47 - The Big Bang was the start of space and time. There was no primordial dust cloud.

2:35 - Nobody says that the Big Bang was random.

2:38 - The universe is far from perfect.


Like you say things in such a way with no factual proof or evidence and expect people to care? You speak like your word is the final say and you are all knowing. But you are far from it. The one who thinks they are the most high and powerful usually fall the hardest. Who ruled more of the world than Nimrod (Nimrood) and Firaun (Pharoh), look at their demise. Did they not claim to be the ones to worship?

 

[SmokeHut]

Perhaps you should read Darwin's Origin of the species with an as open mind as you do reading the Quran ( I like how that word underlines red as I write it ) it will likely raise your conscience and allow reason to take over your way of thinking.

Believing without evidence "Faith" is not a reasonable ground to form an argument; such - not suitable for intelligent discussion.

/Thread.

 

[Shredderbeam]

@Shredderbeam You watched the video with the sole intention of refuting everything.

Don't pretend that you know my intentions. You're not a mind reader.

You did not even watch the whole thing but your ego made you believe that you are far superior in knowledge and prolly left you feeling that "You know this is easy".

I didn't watch the whole video because it's a 23 minute video. I gave it a solid 5 minutes, and based on what I heard, the rest wasn't worth my time. If you want to post the arguments yourself instead of letting YouTube argue for you, I'm happy to respond.

Why would I discuss with someone who apparently knows everything about the unseen without doubt?

...Because this is a debate forum? Where did you think you were posting?

Also, I don't know everything, and I never said I did. The first 5 minutes of the video were ridiculous and wildly inaccurate, and I commented, with timestamps, so you would see exactly where my contentions came from.

You and Andy are one and the same. You hearts are so black you have no gratitude to the one who creates or gives you life. You are probably the same people who go through life filling that void with materialistic things, women,drugs and in the end still feel empty.

That's one hell of a huge jump there. You don't know anything about me, how I fill my life, whether I use drugs, etc. This is a debate forum, so why don't we stick to the topic at hand?

Furthermore none of the things you said were based on your own thoughts. You simply tried to uses science to disprove science which is trying to prove religion?

...No, I'm correcting obvious mistakes made in the video based on our scientific understanding of the universe.

You didnt give any opinion or thoughts but simple just analyzed each statement and made sure you found a counter for it if it made sense or not when none of the statements made in the video were even lies or wrongful.

My opinion isn't necessary - if you state a false fact, it's false, regardless of my feelings.

And if you re-read my original post in this thread, you'll be able to see exactly which parts were false.

Like you say things in such a way with no factual proof or evidence and expect people to care?

I was under the impression that the points I made were obvious/common knowledge. I apologize if that wasn't understood, and I'm happy to give you evidence on any of the points you're unsure on.

You speak like your word is the final say and you are all knowing. But you are far from it. The one who thinks they are the most high and powerful usually fall the hardest. Who ruled more of the world than Nimrod (Nimrood) and Firaun (Pharoh), look at their demise. Did they not claim to be the ones to worship?

You're being dramatic, and I don't know why. My word is not the final say, I'm not all knowing, and I certainly don't want anybody to worship me.

As I've said, this is a debate forum, so let's stick with facts/evidence. You okay with that?

 

[Cybex]

Asks me to read a book written by a MAN and tells me it will increase my Faith, I ask them to read a book sent by GOD and they say im crazy... There is no point arguing because we are at polar ends..

 

[Cybex]

How do you have pictures of "my book" when the book was revealed as text? You are prolly one of those people who believe the picture that they pass around of "Jesus" is supposedly the actual picture of him? Im done arguing because whatever you say is mere conjecture and holds no validity since you are speaking subjectively not objectively. There is no point arguing with someone who is subjective since they really hold no knowledge if they cannot be focused on providing actual references.

 

[Cybex]

How did the bible come into this convo? The bible came down as 1 book, called the Injeel/(Psalms). Today there is a million different versions of the bible, how is it in its preserved form? Answer: Its not. If it was there would be one version. The Quran was revleaed in Arabic. Is it in its same form? Of course because it's still in Arabic till this day. Can it be changed? Of course not because every single country and language use an Arabic Quran. A translation of the Quran is a translation, not the Quran..

 

[Cybex]

The fact that you can assume i've never read either book is just your opinion. The fact that you think I gain my knowledge from youtube videos alone is even more horrendous than your lack of rationality. Good luck in life my Fox News watching friend. Im sure you'll find the truth on there.

 

[SmokeHut]

Asks me to read a book written by a MAN and tells me it will increase my Faith, I ask them to read a book sent by GOD and they say im crazy... There is no point arguing because we are at polar ends..

The only real difference between our books is one is fact, one is fiction.

Both books are written by man. However, one claims the prophet Mohammed flew the heaven on a winged horse, that the planet was flooded entirely i digress. The other uses reason and research to explain evolution by natural selection.

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this is how it feels to debate with you

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