White people are not to blame for slavery.

I completely agree with your statements. Earlier this year, my African-American Spanish teacher told the calss that racially oppressed groups of people can not be racist. Then she gave a week long lecture on how black people can not be racist, brought in college transcripts to prove she was smarter than an "11th grader", and called me stupid.

A week later she was fired.

 

I think most people should recognize that the race card is full of crap. I once had it pulled out on me (I admit I disliked the girl but it wasn't because of her race, it was because she was just annoying in general), but that's a different story.

Anyway, I agree with the topic title:
White people are not to blame for slavery.

Slavery wasn't started by white people, but some refuse to recognize that. Slavery happened long before them.

 

Actually, (and I can't find a reliable source for this...) it's popularly thought to be believed that the first person to OWN a slave, was a black man himself! There have been white slaves, egyptian slaves, asian slaves, german slaves...Indian slaves. There's been slavery in every race/origin of every different kind of ethnicity, race, color, and other things. People need to stop saying slavery is just white people on black people.

 

Do some research before you try and falsify his statement. African tribes that were conflicting with each other would OFFER to sell their prisoners of war and captives to ANYONE that would buy them. The Europeans happened to be in a situation where they needed a lot of manual labor done such as farming, building, and generally starting a new country. Africans were not the ones that started slavery, but as he said, they helped facilitate the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and introduced slavery as being a cheap alternative to the Europeans. The Europeans took advantage of it, but it was not all "hunting around shooting people" like everyone makes it out to be.

The Africans also outnumbered the Europeans easily 100:1. I'm also sure the slaves tried to fight back. But when you have 30 white people you've never seen and your own people trying to trade you like a commodity, there's not much for you to do. The Europeans didn't try to kill the Africans, they TRADED WITH THEM. At least the Native American's didn't help wipe out their civilization or sell each other into slavery. Triangular Trade

This is just stupidity. He's saying that he is also viewed as a minority in this country and that it doesn't make sense how some minorities can become upstanding and positive members of society and the others just cause problems or never amount to anything

There is no reason why blacks should be doing poorly in a society with equal opportunities. I'd like you to name one or two of those "social and economic issues that are far extensive for you little brain to give thought."
I quoted you because I don't want people to think that horrible grammar is my own.

That has nothing to do with anything, honestly. The fact is that no matter what the financial or educational state of a society at large, that doesn't explain why some people are able to progress and advance in life better than others. You can try and justify anything and blame the system all you want, but you can't do that at the expense of not using common sense.

That also doesn't explain why statistics prove there are more blacks in poverty than whites. - Common sense says it's because they can't help themselves?
That also doesn't explain why statistics prove there are more blacks in prison than whites. - Common sense says it's because they commit more crimes and do more shit wrong
That also doesn't explain why there are less black people working than white people. - Common sense says it's because they're lazy
http://www.bsos.umd.edu/socy/vanneman/socy441/trends/lfprace.html
http://www.bsos.umd.edu/socy/vanneman/socy441/trends/unemrace.html
There really is no way to explain why SOME black people act the way they do. (Like loud, dirty, criminals, just to name a more typical stereotype) But you can't blame anyone but yourself for your actions and where you end up in life.

In sum, you're ignorant. The only thing you have to fall back on is disrespecting him and calling him a racist. My views don't derive from hate, they derive from facts and you better be able to prove me wrong before you call me a racist.

tl;dr Everything you said was completely idiotic.

 

White males were the ones who enslaved Africans in the Americas, and therefore are absolutely responsible for the inhumane system of slavery. The fact that unscrupulous people, also Africans, facilitated this vile act does not, in any way, negate the role that white men played in it, nor does it relieve them of the blood of those enslaved men (which is on their heads).

I believe Thomas Paine had the appropriate response to slavery when he said:

While the other information you presented regarding African Americans needlessly playing the race card could make for an interesting debate itself (though statistics do, in fact, indicate that African Americans ARE often the victims of discrimination by police), it does not have any relevance to the topic at hand (the guilt of white men for slavery).

 

He is not saying that the white men of those times played no role in the slave trade. His main point is that nobody that is alive today had any role in it. No whites that are alive today have owned slaves, and no blacks that are alive today have been subjected to slavery (at least in the US).

The point is that the people to blame for the atrocities of slavery are long gone, and so WHY do we need to constantly blame it on somebody? Why do black people protest for "racial equality", and then turn around and want something extra? It's a double standard, and not equal in any sense of the word.

Statistics about discrimination can very easily be skewed. In my experience living in the Southern US, blacks often perceive literally almost everything as racism.. and often times when a business is faced with a discrimination lawsuit, it can wind up more costly to fight it out than it would be to just settle, even if the company did nothing wrong.. there are tons of things that can very easily mess with these "statistics".

 

While it's quite obviously true that nobody alive today can be blamed for slavery, his entire point about the role that Africans played in the slave trade is an attempt to negate the role of white men in it.

I don't know anybody who makes attempts to blame slavery on anybody who is currently living; blacks protest for racial equality because, until recently, Jim Crow laws and the like guaranteed that no such equality could exist. I'm also unaware as to what this "something extra" is that you're referring to.

Yes, frivolous wrongful termination lawsuits are filed, although they certainly are not limited to issues of race.

 

He did not intend to say that whites share no guilt. Please read every post before jumping to conclusions:

Also, there are tons and tons of programs developed specifically around black people. There are scholarships just for being black. The majority of people benefiting from welfare are black. When a matter of racism comes up, blacks can do no wrong. Reparations. For you to really say that black people aren't given more than any other group in the US, even other groups (I'm not even limiting this to JUST white people), is IGNORANT.

Nowhere in my post did I say that lawsuits are limited to only race. I only meant to establish that these "statistics" of racism can and are very easily skewed and so (at least imo) are not necessarily something to establish an argument. Racial discrimination by the police is often misrepresented. Nearly every case I've seen of so called racism by police officers, the person in question was legitimately breaking laws. *nods to the guy earlier who mentioned a black guy driving like 100 MPH and blaming it on racism when he gets pulled over*

 

wow dude, how ignorant. this shows the downfalls of common sense

employers commonly discriminate against minorities in sometimes subconscious ways.
to name just one cause of discrimination.
stereotype fit states that people will perceive others primarily base don their preconceived stereotypes, causing people to see black people as lazy and natives as drunks with little or no evidence.
this is one way they are kept in state of poverty

the schools in these poverty stricken neighbor hoods have less funding from taxes and are therefore unequal to well funded neighborhoods, which happen to be prominently white.

a series of experiments have proven that black people are between 2-4 times more likely to be seen as guilty than white people.
these experiments used the exact same court cases and only changed the race of the defendant.


also, there is less employment in poverty stricken areas, causing minorities that inhabit them to suffer lower employment opportunity.


seriously, i found your assumptions arrogant and ignorant.

if you need me to i can cite articles supporting these statements.

Protip:
correlation =/= causation

 

You're missing the point of what I said. By "common sense says" I meant that that's how it comes off. If you don't have a job or make an attempt to get one, you come off as lazy. Anyone with common sense can see that.

You're looking at my statements as if I'm speaking specifically of America. What about in any country that is predominately black? What about the blacks that are guilty and in prison? Most of the people in prison admit being guilty. Maybe they (people in general) are more likely to be found guilty because they are more often guilty than not? People don't go to prison for no reason. Trying to justify why there's more blacks in prison than white is stupid. If you're found guilty, you go to prison no matter what race you are. Maybe there's more blacks because they commit more crimes?

Why are the worst (most crime ridden) neighborhoods in the US predominately filled with black people? Explain that..

If you're in poverty, you're in poverty because nobody had enough sense to stand up and make things better. Whether it be the people who just don't work and let things go or the people that accepted the poverty as an inevitability. If I'm in poverty, I would do something to better myself and make my life better. Why doesn't anyone else try that?

All I see you doing is trying to justify the behavior of the less than reputable part of society.

 

I hate how some black people will play the race card. I mean, they even get benefits for scholarships as well, they even CHOOSE the wrong path.

 

In my earlier post I also forgot to mention another racial inequality that works in favor of blacks the vast majority of the time. Affirmative action is retarded, and actually discriminates against qualified people in the end. I am by no means trying to say that black people are not qualified for certain jobs.. but if you have to not hire the more qualified white person just to satisfy some quota, that's fucking retarded. I understand why it was put in place and I'm sure it does do SOME good, but the cons outweigh the pros by a very great margin imo.

If you're qualified, the job is yours. Skin color should play no role.

 

sure, white people aren't to blame for slavery. but they are guilty of the harsh treatment towards their slaves (e.g. whipping, lynching)

 

But not only whites. There are examples of harsh and inhumane treatment towards slaves throughout history. Not only slaves owned by whites.

 

Now I can agree to not approving of blacks today taking credit for what their older generations have went through to get an advantage but if you look at it, blacks AREN'T treated equally and they have never been. 7 times out of 10 it IS because they are black. Now when they blame the fact that they are black for every little thing that's is obnoxious agreed but there is still prejudice everywhere.

 

hate to burst your bubble but even in the poorest of schools america spends much more on students than most "modern" countries. so it doesnt just have to do with funding
although i believe it to be a large part of it

A quote from up above but i didnt get the "" around it :/ = Why are the worst (most crime ridden) neighborhoods in the US predominately filled with black people? Explain that..

Because the white man wanted to stick it to the black men and thus they invented laws (sarcasm)

 

I can't believe people are actually in here trying to defend reverse racism and the inequalities it causes to all other races.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
Social Conformity.

This seems to have gone past slavery into current day crisis of segregation between blacks and whites.

 

why is this thread created are you having douts irl or something?

 

What's a dout?

Also, I mostly agree with this thread. I know for a fact that when I was still in high school, the black minority was treated *exceptionally* well compared to those of us who were white. This stretched from discipline to grading.

We've moved on from racism and have become reverse racists. Actually, I think the only group truly being unfairly treated in America today are white American males. Women's rights have even fucked us over and caused prejudice towards us.