White/Black (Racism) Debate.

[MatthewGor123]

Yea... because being torn away from your family so that you can come to the "land of the free" where you are then forced to work day in and day out and be beaten when anything goes wrong is always nice to have happen.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! Mexicans run into OUR country. We want them OUT. Not the other way around! Dipshit. I'm not talking about fucking slaves.

They only do those jobs because that's all they can be hired to do. They get less than minimum wage as the majority of them,if not all, are illegal and can't get a real job.

Maybe they should become legal immigrants? How the fuck is that our fault?

citation? i wasn't aware.

Sorry, I think my point was misinterpreted. I meant to say the majority of interracial crime is done by black->white, rather than white->black.

Here's the citation: http://www.city-journal.org/html/6_2_my_black.html

And yes, I did phrase it like shit, but it's what I meant

 

[Tha_Punisher]

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! Mexicans run into OUR country. We want them OUT. Not the other way around! Dipshit. I'm not talking about fucking slaves.

Yea I thought you were talking about slaves there so my bad on that one.

Maybe they should become legal immigrants? How the fuck is that our fault?

Where did I say it was our fault that they're illegal? All I said was picking tobacco, making shitty roofing jobs, and all the other shit illegal immigrants do is all they are capable of doing here..

 

[trevor267]

We're talking about "lawn mowing, roof cleaning, burger flipping" Mexicans. I think it's fair that Americans accept them, and treat them like shit, in exchange for them being treated like more shit in Mexico. Nobody's forcing them to migrate into America...

yeah and they benifit us in a way, shingling, meat factories etc., but is a disadvantage in ways like crime, gangs, overfull prisons and that right even little kids in their little gangster ass SOUTH POLE clothes. gay as hell.

 

[MatthewGor123]

yeah and they benifit us in a way, shingling, meat factories etc., but is a disadvantage in ways like crime, gangs, overfull prisons and that right even little kids in their little gangster ass SOUTH POLE clothes. gay as hell.

The problem with the economy right now is not from TOO LITTLE lower-class people doing busy-work, it's that there are TOO LITTLE people who actually have money to spend, tbh. And yes, I feel more problems come from Hispanic-Americans than benefits.

 

[trevor267]

The problem with the economy right now is not from TOO LITTLE lower-class people doing busy-work, it's that there are TOO LITTLE people who actually have money to spend, tbh. And yes, I feel more problems come from Hispanic-Americans than benefits.

yeah, people could have more money, honestly like my parents. they have pleanty of money to live on, instead they blow it in bars and in my moms case, pointless shit that nobody needs, people would have more moeny if they separated wants and needs, went to school, actually TRIED in school. sure you can hve your wants every once and a while but be smart about purchasing. im going to go out on a limb here and say women waste more money on wants than men. dont get me wrong here theres some smart women, but they do buy a lot of bullshit and are pretty stupid drivers tbh. this could be a thread discussion by itself lol women vs. men smarter gender. anyway you know i know theres smart women out there smarter than men, and men tend to blow off moeny on gambling and bars. but the point is people could have more moeny if hey were smarter. anyway i got a little off topic with this post so your comment about more problems coming form mexicans than benefits is somewhat true but i think its better to have them in our contry than kick them out completely. some of them are the best people youll ever meet. and some of them might shank you. you knever know.

 

[Christmas Crackers]

I suggest you read Invisible Man and Black Like Me to receive a different perspective on your argument.

I personally agree with you on a few points, but racism and conflicts between whites and blacks have all stemmed from slavery, something whites have not experienced and can therefore not fully understand. I'm Middle Eastern so I'm not on either end of the spectrum

 

[MatthewGor123]

I suggest you read Invisible Man and Black Like Me to receive a different perspective on your argument.

I personally agree with you on a few points, but racism and conflicts between whites and blacks have all stemmed from slavery, something whites have not experienced and can therefore not fully understand. I'm Middle Easte

Honestly, I have a few black friends. One of them actually said something that made me think alot. While he himself does not feel any anger towards whites, he said that somebody he knows told him (something along the lines of) "black people are meant to be different from white people. I'm never gonna be a white person, I don't want to be like a white person. And all the n***as out there who wanna be like white people, well fuck them. We were made to be different."

IMO, though I don't know too many black people myself, that seems to be a common perspective amongst the ones that don't *try* to make something out their lives. They create their OWN barrier.

Now, one of my black friends [the same one who told me that somebody told him that] works harder than almost anyone I've ever met, and is ACCEPTED by the white people in his school. I'm not saying he assimilated, because he still like listens to rap, plays football, and hangs out with a bunch of his METCO (a program in Massachusetts that brings inner city kids into the suburbs for better education; I think it's a great idea but too many people just misuse their lucky opportunity) students, but at least he's going to make something for himself.

So, basically, I feel like ultimately, the majority of black people are shooting themselves in the foot by not willing to change. I mean, we have a half-black PRESIDENT right now, for crying out loud!

 

[Christmas Crackers]

True, but a great number of black people are put into economic situations that do not provide much hope. This bleak kind of environment teaches them to have low hopes and expectations and to be happy to just make it through the day.

 

[MatthewGor123]

True, but a great number of black people are put into economic situations that do not provide much hope. This bleak kind of environment teaches them to have low hopes and expectations and to be happy to just make it through the day.

Meh, I guarantee you my parents came here with less and are going to leave this Earth with more than the vast majority of the people that are put into economic situations that do not provide much hope. Honestly, it's because they take everything for granted - they get their benefits/welfare/whatever, so they don't even get a decent job a lot of the time. Honestly, a good education is more than enough with the proper mindset.

Basically, racism has become a perception that comes from mental misunderstanding, IMO. And how does selling drugs make you be happy and make it through the day? Honestly, if people just studied harder and just displayed a bit more effort overall, we'd be so much better as a country...

 

[p0oned y0u1]

You cannot make the excuse that black people are put in bleak environments so they don't get the potential to exceed. That is a load of nonsense. One of my dad's white friends grew up as trailer trash. He taught himself everything he knew. His parents didn't go to college and didn't care what his education was, and all his friends were trailer trash just like him, but he brought himself above that at became something. My dad didn't meet him till college but he says he is the hardest working man he has ever met. He doesn't go around making a big deal of it, but when a black man does something like pull himself up out of the ghetto by his own will it is a HUGE thing.

It is all about how bad you want it. My dad's friend wanted it. He didn't have anyone urging him on but himself, and he made something of it. Black people could do the exact same thing. The thing is they don't want to. If they don't want to work hard enough to compete with a white person I don't think they should get the right to get a job over them.

There have been many cases where a white man who has better education and background has lost a position to a black man because the company doesn't want to seem racist or has to higher a certain minority.

This goes for all minorities not just black people. You can not blame it on there circumstances or there background. That is just a load, and if some minority is not qualified for the position and a white person is more then qualified then the employer shouldn't have to pick the minority because of pressure from the government and people.

My grandparents had to work there butts off to get here. I have to work my butt off for a job and a good education. Shouldn't everyone else be treated the same? Isn't that racism toward white people?

 

[Nathan III]

No, if you saw a Muslim wearing a turban and said "Look! She stole my towel!" [which totally doesn't make sense since only guys wear Turbans but w/e] that would be an ignorant comment. And no, it would not be RACism. You don't know what RACE the person is. If you're saying that because they are Arab, then you're dumb because not all Arabs are Muslim. But there are tons of Muslims who look like you and me.

So why do muslims always cry racism if you say something about their religion?

 

[Christmas Crackers]

You cannot make the excuse that black people are put in bleak environments so they don't get the potential to exceed. That is a load of nonsense. One of my dad's white friends grew up as trailer trash. He taught himself everything he knew. His parents didn't go to college and didn't care what his education was, and all his friends were trailer trash just like him, but he brought himself above that at became something. My dad didn't meet him till college but he says he is the hardest working man he has ever met. He doesn't go around making a big deal of it, but when a black man does something like pull himself up out of the ghetto by his own will it is a HUGE thing.

It is all about how bad you want it. My dad's friend wanted it. He didn't have anyone urging him on but himself, and he made something of it. Black people could do the exact same thing. The thing is they don't want to. If they don't want to work hard enough to compete with a white person I don't think they should get the right to get a job over them.

There have been many cases where a white man who has better education and background has lost a position to a black man because the company doesn't want to seem racist or has to higher a certain minority.

This goes for all minorities not just black people. You can not blame it on there circumstances or there background. That is just a load, and if some minority is not qualified for the position and a white person is more then qualified then the employer shouldn't have to pick the minority because of pressure from the government and people.

My grandparents had to work there butts off to get here. I have to work my butt off for a job and a good education. Shouldn't everyone else be treated the same? Isn't that racism toward white people?

Of course I can make that argument, because it's fact. Now, I'm not saying ALL black people are put into this environment, and I do agree with everything you said about white people rising from nothing and black people rising from nothing and the perceived difference between that, but nonetheless, black people are put into this environment. Why do you think their crime rates are much higher than white people's?

 

[p0oned y0u1]

Of course I can make that argument, because it's fact. Now, I'm not saying ALL black people are put into this environment, and I do agree with everything you said about white people rising from nothing and black people rising from nothing and the perceived difference between that, but nonetheless, black people are put into this environment. Why do you think their crime rates are much higher than white people's?

I need to find that rap song I heard the other day. It talks about how black people get guns and drugs in the ghetto, and then people wonder why they have so much crime and killing. Yes, I will admit on the average black people are put into worse environments then white people. Which makes it harder for them as a whole to get themselves out of the ghettos they live in, but I think it is more the mind mentality of the black nation as a whole. The rap they are being fed talks about killing, drugs, and sex. They grow up with killing, drugs, and sex. Then we wonder what went wrong?

If we could take the hood out of them it would make for a lot better of a society of black people. They live different then white people do, and they don't want to conform like us. They like the way they live. Off of welfare/drugs/illegal sales and they don't care what the consequences are. (this is certainly not true for all black people while it is true for the majority of them that live in the ghetto.) If they don't want to change then there isn't going to be any, and they definitely shouldn't be rewarded for not doing anything with there lives. Or even if they do they should have to work just as hard as a white man or a Chinese man or whoever for a job. They shouldn't get special treatment.

 

[Christmas Crackers]

So you're saying that if the "hood" was taken out of them, then the society of black people would be better off. Is the "hood" an in-born psychological characteristic or is it learned behavior?

 

[p0oned y0u1]

Ok. Obviously you don't listen to rap and that's ok. I understand that. What I mean is if you take the drugs, mainstream rap, violence, all the bad characteristics out of the ghettos and add a good educational system it wouldn't be as bad. There is no way on earth that would happen because you would have to completely restart the black race, that's my point. This culture they are growing up in is what turns them into what they are. They could choose a different path but they don't. It is hard when you have all that pushing down on you I understand but they could change if they wanted to as a whole. One black person making it out of the hood aint gana do much. They need a whole revolution.

Ice cube- why we thugs (listen to it)

 

[Paul.]

yeah and they benifit us in a way, shingling, meat factories etc., but is a disadvantage in ways like crime, gangs, overfull prisons and that right even little kids in their little gangster ass SOUTH POLE clothes. gay as hell.

If an illegal immigrants is found commitinbg a crime your government owesit to you to deport them.
And as far as immigratio goes - illegal or legal; you should never blame the immigrants themselves. If you have any problem with immgration go and do something about it... contact people, join the KKK or w/e it takes you to stop opening your mouth instead of getting off your ass.
If your country had a bad economy and you were about to die of starvation you'd seek a better life too.

but this debate is supposed to be about racism - not immigration. If youre not pro-immigration then go and kill yourself because youre not a native American. I accept that too much immigration is bad but the immigrants often dont know or care what theyre getting themselves into. They just want to survive just as any human would

 

[Paul.]

Ok. Obviously you don't listen to rap and that's ok. I understand that. What I mean is if you take the drugs, mainstream rap, violence, all the bad characteristics out of the ghettos and add a good educational system it wouldn't be as bad. There is no way on earth that would happen because you would have to completely restart the black race, that's my point. This culture they are growing up in is what turns them into what they are. They could choose a different path but they don't. It is hard when you have all that pushing down on you I understand but they could change if they wanted to as a whole. One black person making it out of the hood aint gana do much. They need a whole revolution.

Ice cube- why we thugs (listen to it)

Hip-hop is becomming more positive and having modern, realistic rolemodels who are doing their best to ducate these kids. 2 words: Kanye West

Hip-hop is about talking reality, spreading a message but previously it was just a message of gang culture... now it's commercially becomming something positive.

 

[p0oned y0u1]

um... Since when? I haven't heard anything on the radio that is positive rap. Unless you live in like the UK or something. I live in a ghetto and all I here is rap about negative trends.

 

[Paul.]

So why do muslims always cry racism if you say something about their religion?

People have tendency to mix up race with religion because society allows them to

 

[Paul.]

um... Since when? I haven't heard anything on the radio that is positive rap. Unless you live in like the UK or something. I live in a ghetto and all I here is rap about negative trends.

I hate the UK tbh !

Gangsta rap is more careless noadays. It seems to be nothing serious - like it was before. Its mixed up references blended with commercialisation. It now seems as though its not to be taken seriously - especially since the majority of hip-hop released on major labels can now be considered popular music