Where/what is the line between right and wrong?

[Isis]

This is true. If you base your concept of right and wrong on religion you should learn to think for yourself.

If you can learn to think for yourself, and compare your motifs to a matching religion, this is when religion can seem useful or correct.

 

[Arya]

If you can learn to think for yourself, and compare your motifs to a matching religion, this is when religion can seem useful or correct.

There are more logical ways to evaluate and break down a motive. >.<

 

[Isis]

There are more logical ways to evaluate and break down a motive. >.<

Eh? Let's hear them then.

 

[kandymann12]

What if you're a sadist? Myself, I am not a sadist but consider situations of mental health.

Personally I find a lot of things amusing that others would find absolutely devastating - it makes life interesting. Where most people feel a sinking feeling about things such as someone dying on the news (Heath Ledger is a prime example) I find it interesting and in the case of famous people, a little irritating. For my current mentality, I don't feel much guilt if any - be it in things that I do or in things that others do.

As for what I would define as right and wrong, I draw that line where rationality meets irrationality - a prime example is the recent abortion thread. To be more specific, a fetus is not rational, therefore I see nothing wrong with abortion. Please don't reply to this particular issue, you're welcome to post in the abortion thread though.

I guess you can say I'm different from others, but even to me my mind is a curious one. The only way this affects me is my social status.

Death is funny sometimes I know. And I am different in MY way of thinking too. I see no wrong in seeing an adult being burned(of course there has to be a reason, if there is no reason to burn this particular person it's wrong), but seeing a baby or a child burned for whatever reason is wrong. A child is a
symbol, in my mind, a symbol of purity. They have done nothing wrong yet, and they know not what they have done.

 

[Arya]

Eh? Let's hear them then.

Instead of matching them to a religion like a board game, you ask why. 'Why is this my motive?' 'Why is this my desire?'

You make no sense, lol.

If you have a motive, matching it to a religion and deeming it right is no where near thinking for yourself. That motive would not be a right motive if it couldn't be matched to a religion, so where in the situation do you actually think? Care to rearrange your words?

Like I said, religion is needed for nothing.

 

[Heeckeren]

Right and wrong are points of view. There is no set standard.

+1 on what he said.

There is never a right or wrong it completely depends on your opinion.

 

[Swan]

Death is funny sometimes I know. And I am different in MY way of thinking too. I see no wrong in seeing an adult being burned(of course there has to be a reason, if there is no reason to burn this particular person it's wrong), but seeing a baby or a child burned for whatever reason is wrong. A child is a
symbol, in my mind, a symbol of purity. They have done nothing wrong yet, and they know not what they have done.

In the case of children, I simply don't care either.

I simply lack empathy and emotion - well, a lot of emotion anyway; From what I said earlier, you can deduce that I at least find things amusing, and so on - That is why I will only draw the line of what I believe is wrong and right on rationality and I don't even think of what others consider moral.

 

[p0oned y0u1]

In the case of children, I simply don't care either.

I simply lack empathy and emotion - well, a lot of emotion anyway; From what I said earlier, you can deduce that I at least find things amusing, and so on - That is why I will only draw the line of what I believe is wrong and right on rationality and I don't even think of what others consider moral.

How do you rationalize that? You are saying that you don't feel emotion or empathy (or very little). Why is that? How can you rationalize right and wrong? Please explain.

There is no scientific right or wrong. Please clarify what is right and wrong rationally? Is it ok to kill someone because they lied about something? Does the punishment have to fit the crime?

 

[Arya]

I think what Swan is trying to conclude to you is that his/her emotion is based solely on his/herself, coupled with those who benefit or mean something to him/her.

Ex.

If my sister were walking down the street, and I saw her get murdered, I'd have a serious problem with it, and act accordingly.

If I saw a random stranger get murdered, well, that's just it. I would probably get away from all cross-fire as to not cause any damage to myself, and get all of my loved-ones out of the way, if they were with me, but other than that, I simply wouldn't care.

That's only what I'm assuming he/she means.

 

[Swan]

How do you rationalize that? You are saying that you don't feel emotion or empathy (or very little). Why is that? How can you rationalize right and wrong? Please explain.

There is no scientific right or wrong. Please clarify what is right and wrong rationally? Is it ok to kill someone because they lied about something? Does the punishment have to fit the crime?

See the following:

I think what Swan is trying to conclude to you is that his/her emotion is based solely on his/herself, coupled with those who benefit or mean something to him/her.

Ex.

If my sister were walking down the street, and I saw her get murdered, I'd have a serious problem with it, and act accordingly.

If I saw a random stranger get murdered, well, that's just it. I would probably get away from all cross-fire as to not cause any damage to myself, and get all of my loved-ones out of the way, if they were with me, but other than that, I simply wouldn't care.

That's only what I'm assuming he/she means.

To an extent Arya is correct - I don't care so long as I'm not affected, therefore I only draw my line of right and wrong at what is rational to me and what is not rational to me. If I witness someone dying or being killed, the deed is done therefore I see no reason to care about it. If I am dying or being killed that is another story. If something happens which will directly affect me for the worse, I will attempt to make my way out of that situation. If something happens to benefit me, so be it. If the situation is neither of those, I don't care.

 

[The Riddler_]

To an extent Arya is correct - I don't care so long as I'm not affected, therefore I only draw my line of right and wrong at what is rational to me and what is not rational to me. If I witness someone dying or being killed, the deed is done therefore I see no reason to care about it. If I am dying or being killed that is another story. If something happens which will directly affect me for the worse, I will attempt to make my way out of that situation. If something happens to benefit me, so be it. If the situation is neither of those, I don't care.

"In Germany they came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up"

Speak up for what you believe in - screw anyone that tries to stop you....​

This quote was taken straight out of Flubbywubs signature. I think it's relevance to this is enough to mention it. If you were dieing and someone near you could prevent it, but because of the simple fact they didn't know you, they just went on with their business. Would you be angry at that person, or would be "ok" with that person because you think he did the "right" thing to do, or the thing that you would have chosen?

Where do you live. Because if you lived in the US, you are the exact opposite in-which the US needs. Being selfish when someone else is in need.

You'd probably be the type of person who is mad at a person being in a wreck, and having to give them insurance money so they have to buy their only means of transportation back, while you whine on how you couldn't buy your son a corvette instead of a Lamborghini for his 16th birthday.

 

[demonon]

Right and wrong is predefined by morale. Morale is predefined by evolution.
Of course it's also important with what you are told.

 

[p0oned y0u1]

demonon explain how you get morals from evolution.... You don't.

 

[demonon]

demonon explain how you get morals from evolution.... You don't.

See, I am an atheist.
I try to live my life and learn new things every day.
I have come across allot of good evidence, and I can test that out too in real life. I believe that the universe expanded in a way explained by the big bang theory, you probably have heard of it.
I just tend to believe everything that can be tested scientific and is backed up by facts. I also think that the only thing every specie wants is to keep alive and reproduce. To do that you need some sort of guideline. Something predefined. That's what I like to call instinct. Morale is the same.
Just don't harm anyone, don't do anything dangerous that might get you killed etc.

I can see you are a Christian. You don't have to believe me. Same as my mum never forced me to believe in a God and she is Muslim herself. I also won't try to force to anyone to believe what I am saying.

 

[The Riddler_]

See, I am an atheist.
I try to live my life and learn new things every day.
I have come across allot of good evidence, and I can test that out too in real life. I believe that the universe expanded in a way explained by the big bang theory, you probably have heard of it.
I just tend to believe everything that can be tested scientific and is backed up by facts. I also think that the only thing every specie wants is to keep alive and reproduce. To do that you need some sort of guideline. Something predefined. That's what I like to call instinct. Morale is the same.
Just don't harm anyone, don't do anything dangerous that might get you killed etc.

I can see you are a Christian. You don't have to believe me. Same as my mum never forced me to believe in a God and she is Muslim herself. I also won't try to force to anyone to believe what I am saying.

What? You think your special because your atheist or the only one?

I don't care what you are. Instinct is different. People can go on an instinct on something that is totally irrational but only because it just might work.

 

[Isis]

Instead of matching them to a religion like a board game, you ask why. 'Why is this my motive?' 'Why is this my desire?'

You make no sense, lol.

If you have a motive, matching it to a religion and deeming it right is no where near thinking for yourself. That motive would not be a right motive if it couldn't be matched to a religion, so where in the situation do you actually think? Care to rearrange your words?

Like I said, religion is needed for nothing.

How isn't it thinking for yourself. If prior to being part of a religion, I have several motives, and once I join this religion, this religion has close to the same motives as myself, if not the same.

Basically, if a religion believes in the same things I do, and I did not only believe in them because of the religion, this is when you may be able to determine the difference in between right and wrong.

If you will not even give religion a chance, you my friend, are as ignorant as you look.

 

[demonon]

What? You think your special because your atheist or the only one?

I don't care what you are. Instinct is different. People can go on an instinct on something that is totally irrational but only because it just might work.

I never said I was special. I am just as human as everyone else is. I just believe Morale is giving onward to every new human. It is also taught to you.

 

[The Riddler_]

I never said I was special. I am just as human as everyone else is. I just believe Morale is giving onward to every new human. It is also taught to you.

Taught to you by people who think their morals shouldn't be shared with their off-spring. Like a racist couple teaching their kids hating other races is a good thing.

Also, you basically repeated "I don't believe in God, I'm an atheist".

 

[demonon]

Taught to you by people who think their morals shouldn't be shared with their off-spring. Like a racist couple teaching their kids hating other races is a good thing.

Also, you basically repeated "I don't believe in God, I'm an atheist".

So what do you imply?
I don't understand your metaphors. It might be my stupidity, but please come to the point.
And when I said it it also taught to you. I meant that your parents teach you what right and wrong is.

 

[Arya]

How isn't it thinking for yourself. If prior to being part of a religion, I have several motives, and once I join this religion, this religion has close to the same motives as myself, if not the same.

Basically, if a religion believes in the same things I do, and I did not only believe in them because of the religion, this is when you may be able to determine the difference in between right and wrong.

If you will not even give religion a chance, you my friend, are as ignorant as you look.

You not only took my text out of meaning, but your own. I never said that you didn't "think about joining a religion". I said that if your decisions and views are based a certain way because it's what your religion says it is, then you're not thinking for yourself.

I was a Christian for 16 years, and I doubt you know how I look, so think before you type.