Sectionals have no part in Pardons

I am going to make this short and sweet:

Basically, throughout the years tons of sectionals have come and gone very quickly. Allowing untrusted, untried, inexperienced people to comment and post public opinions about mostly controversial will most likely not end well. Many of them have no experience and allowing them to start commenting about extremely hard stuff just is not smart.

 

I think the new pardon vote only includes admins and globals.

 

You are correct, but discussion is not good to let them do either.

 

So you think they're not experienced enough to offer their opinions on high pardons?

 

Some are, some aren't, but grey areas are bad so the line needs to be drawn somewhere. That line should be at globals.

 

Untrue IMO. A sectional may be the lowest member of staff, but nonetheless has passed the test to become staff. I imagine if they were found fit to be a sectional, then their opinion means something, regardless of how little, to the upper staff if they have something valuable to add to it.

 

Well, I hear what you say, and I'mma let you finish, but Darkgroove was one of the best things for Sythe since canned bread.

But yeah, I totally agree.

 

I do not consider new sectionals members of the staff in regards to basically anything for a long time. Their opinions are that of a member. Your mind does not change overnight. If you are going to let sectionals post their opinions, you may as well let everyone.

 

While any staff member including sectionals may comment on pardons, no one is pardoned without passing a vote where only globals and admins may participate.

 

Perhaps they might have more knowledge about why the member was banned and can offer that info which could help the globals/admins make their choice.

 

Lol alright well your opinion is a bit whack, but thats fine. And sectionals are just members, as are globals and admins. Being staff doesnt make you different, or better than a regular member, it just places more responsibility on you for the sites wellbeing. If you cant really understand something as simple as that, your "madness" as I will euphamatically call it, has blinded you.

Nonetheless, as a fellow member, you are entitled to your opinion ; )

 

I was more of speaking about knowledge on how to handle situations and such. Everyone is a member, but staff members slowly acquire judgment that helps them. Sectionals really have no such judgment for the most part, and thus encouraging them to post is really just like any other member.

 

Sectionals aren't encouraged to post anything unless they have a valued opinion or information on that certain pardon.

 

Saying "I trust him, he should be pardoned" isn't very critical information.

 

I dont see the sectional posting on every pardon. Only on those they have good insight on, so i dont see a problem atm really.

 

While I somewhat agree, I think it's better that sectionals be permitted to comment; it allows for a more meticulous and informed vote amongst the upper staff.

 

lets also not forget that the Upper staff could just disregard sectional staff posts if there so bad, theres nothing that we could lose from letting us post, if we post something that is indeed helpful (which is what we'll aim for) then it helps, if not, then fine.

 

There are absolutely no problems with how it is being done now. Global and admins will only pardon those worthy and all staff members opinions/insights are considered.

System is much much better now.

 

I see where you're coming from, but here is an example. Though I do support Jebadiah not getting a permanent ban, the comment you posted was not really valuable information:

How do you know he is a legitimate member? He has been caught for ban evading and scamming on a past account, he has had two other accounts he has evaded on according to him.

It's great that you trust him and that you see him as a legit and trustworthy person, but how do you know he was not doing it just to gain favor or to scam later?

A small amount, a number of years ago? A scam is a scam, no matter how you sugar-coat it. His pardon IS sincere, but it would be more sincere if he had posted it BEFORE I caught him for ban evading. Making a thread right after you're caught seems like the same issue in this thread, "asking for a High pardon so early, it would be almost like you're getting away with it." (Karl)

This is a direct attack on you, I don't know how long you have been a mod and I don't know much about most mods except the few I have talked to about MM'ing. In my opinion I do agree that unless it is truly valuable information sectionals should not post.

 

This is a very good point. As long as sectionals are not posting unless they feel they have valuable information that could help with the decision it will be okay. But just posting their opinion about a member really helps no one as the sectionals are much more likely to be biased.

The potential problem is that many crappy opinions could sway others.