What really matters at the end of life?

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What really matters at the end of life?
  1. Unread #41 - Nov 21, 2019 at 1:10 PM
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    What really matters at the end of life?

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    What's your thoughts on the research done by doctors such as dr. Sam Parnia about consciousness after the patience have been condemn clinically dead. Consciousness doing the time they were "clinically dead" with no measured brain-activity?
    Some of the patients are able to talk about what happened around them or in a room next to them etc.
     
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  3. Unread #42 - Nov 22, 2019 at 12:28 AM
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    What really matters at the end of life?

    Hi :) Thank you for letting me know about this:

    (PDF) AWARE-AWAreness during REsuscitation-a prospective study

    I just read Parnia et al. (2014) and found it quite interesting as a composition. However, as a scientific article, I found it lacking. I'm not one to hate on qualitative research ... I believe there's a paucity of qualitative research induced by the quantitative mafia of science. I only read this one article and haven't delved deeper into the topic. Also, I'm not familiar with the field. With that said, I think this Parnia et al. (2014) study is a bunch of a baloney. Despite attempts at quantification and verification of results, the methodology failed. In conclusion, the researchers found that some people, after recovering from cardiac event, report experiencing consciousness during a period when their brain was hypoperfused ... a state of no or limited blood flow to the brain ergo insufficient energy required for cellular activity. This finding is in contradiction with the findings of neuroscience that consciousness is result of neural activity. Frankly, this research is a waste of money. I'm all for study of consciousness, but the methodology of this large & presumably expensive study was ridiculous. Also, I found it odd that the researchers didn't control for religious & spiritual inclination in a qualitative study of after-death experience? I believe these scientists have AWAreness of what it takes to get recognition. The public may be in awe of media titles such as "Is life after death possible?" However, what's the actual title of the scientific paper? A much more reserved: AWARE - AWAreness during REsuscitation - A prospective study. Of course the participants are aware at some point during (& after) successful resuscitation ... that's because the medics rescued the patients' blood flow. Also notice how the study is prospective? They're looking forward ... saying: hey, maybe in the future we'll find something out. Why? Because they aren't able to successfully analyze their data ... because their data is crap. Qualitative data can be amazing, but this ain't it folks. Are there better findings of recent?
     
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    What really matters at the end of life?

    Buddy, I have not scammed anyone. I was offline working, when some old account got recovered and as I did not answer within a few days I got banned. I noticed this and recovered the account within 10 minutes.

    Rational Egoism? Scamming is not rational. Ones prioritizes and the result of such actions are a part of the equation. If I were to scam, I would feel bad about it, I wouldn't be able to be on Sythe if I ever feel like being on Sythe again and I would gain very little. Your view of Rational Egoism is flawed. It doesn't discount morals or other values. Same with hedonism. Please read up on these two words and works around those ways of thinking!

    Rational Egoism allows altruism for example. If it is logically beneficial for you, such as by feeling good about doing it.

    It just a more honest way to look at life based on behavioral psychology.

    The most important things to me are wealth and family, so I base my decisions around those two. I also enjoy making other people happy, so I generally quite often help those around me without asking anything back. "Love" and "Stability" are also essential for my optimal state of existence, so I base my actions around maximizing those two.

    My wealth is gained through numerous global businesses. Not an online community.

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    Further more, Rational Egoism is more about rationality than egoism. The core question for a Rational Egoist is "Is this in my best interest?" Note that for example breaking the law, hurting, stealing/scamming almost never is in ones long term self interest.

    I am unsure at what point hedonism and rational egoism got so strongly associated with only looking at things short-term, when in fact, this has nothing to do with either. Looking at things short-term is NOT rational, and thus NOT rational egoism.


    To elaborate I'll quote Henry Sidgwick "an agent regards quantity of consequent pleasure and pain to himself alone important in choosing between alternatives of action; and seeks always the greatest attainable surplus of pleasure over pain"
     
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    What really matters at the end of life?

    Eh, you got banned for scamming, though, right? According to sythe rules. That's the reason, right? Perhaps you didn't scam by your definition regarding active disregard or maliciousness, whatever. And you've since corrected the the wrong to some extent resulting in your DNT, right? Did you give the bloke his account or money back? And of course you won't be gaining wealth on this community, seeing as you're DNT for the time being. Good luck with your global business. Scamming could be rational, by the way ... depending on one's rationale. What do you think my view on rationale egoism is, if it's so flawed? That Henry quote is in contradiction with neuroscience, by the way. Decision making involves consideration beyond one own's pleasure and pain ... this would be a total hedonistic perspective. A more accurate and encompassing perspective is that decision making is based on cost-benefit analysis. For a completely egocentric hedonist, individual pleasure-pain analysis is equivalent to cost-benefit analysis. Rationale egoism allows for altruism? If you're saying that selfishness (say, rationale egoism) can produce selflessness (say, altruism), sure. Self- and other-benefiting behaviors can be one in the same for some people. But in your post that I responded to, you stated that rationale egoism is the base for your desire of wealth and happiness chemicals ... not necessarily altruistic, huh? Honestly, maybe try using different language. You're arguing semantics here, but what response did you expect? Hedonism in our language commonly refers to pursuit of pleasure in the short term. And rational egoism refers to self-interest, not other-interest. Sure, hedonism can be a long-term perspective and egoism can be aligned with altruism. But that's not what you said in your post that I responded to, buddy.
     
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    What really matters at the end of life?

    So let's unpack this. First of all, I did not correct any wrongs yet. It will most likely be removed once the buyer comes back online. :) I have not committed a "scam". I have just failed to respond, which resulted in a ban to protect the community, as my location and the safety of my account and what not were unclear, as I was not here to respond.

    Sure, scamming could be rational. As could my other examples. I misspoke there. I meant it wouldn't be rational in many cases, especially mine.

    "pleasure-pain analysis is equivalent to cost-benefit analysis" Pleasure-pain analysis is cost-benefit analysis where the values of cost-benefit are assigned as pleasure and suffering. Which again are rather broad, subjective terms.

    As for decision making involving other factors, sure. Of course. But when actively making decisions, these are the main factors I consider.

    I'll give in that the original post was rushed and didn't express my views too well, it is rather flawed and poorly attempts to summarize my views.

    And finally, it might not be the perfect set of terms due to common misconceptions - such as "short term thinking", but it encompasses also my views. Perhaps I should've used the words "Value Hedonism and Prudential Hedonism", but I am not as familiar with philosophy as you might be, so I prefer to use broader terms.

    Rational egoism can also encompass other-interest, but only if maximizing other-interest maximizes your self-interest as well.
     
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