Do you believe soldiers are not heroes?

I do not believe soldiers are heroes, I think they are the very fighting force of the most evil men. What do you think?

 

it depends on the cause of what they are fighting for, Hitlers men were truly Bad People.

 

To make a valid agrument you need to be more specific on what type of soldier you are trying to make a debate about.

American Soldiers, British, (Any form of military dying for their country's freedom) are heros. Milita, (Hitlers army) are not heros, they fight/kill for greed and the well-being for themselves, not their country.

 

Soldiers are heroes. They willingly give their own life for the better of the country. They're selfless. They are patriotic. If you don't consider them to be heroes, what do you consider heroes?

 

When I read the title I was thinking in my head, of course every soldier is a hero. You have opened my eyes, sir.

 

The common misunderstanding is the definition of a solider. We are not policy makers and/or representatives of what our government has decided upon. We are simply a professional tool that is committed to carrying out a mission/directive that was issued. We do this for as many professional reasons as personal. A solider that follows "legit" orders and demonstrates courage in the face of the enemy/circumstances in my opinion is a hero.. He does not seek it out and most often in my experience it occurs without any advance warning/thought. It is a decision which presents itself in seconds of a task that must be accomplished no matter what the risk to the individual. A step taken to perform at this level is one that many have given their life for. We all come from a history of wars and to attempt to understand the reasons why in the current conflict is difficult. I for one say, look to history. We are human and must understand that our actions of today are not totally understood until we are long gone. Let the youth of tomorrow look back on the soldiers of today and more importantly, the people we stood next to in their time of need. I will always be a solider and will always cherish the actions/memories of the soldiers I have left behind that were friends and also as their leader. They did not perform to be a hero, I feel they did this because of the men who stood by their side. In closing I would give the same respect to many of the people in our world in other professions that place another life above their own. Many think they have this courage yet I can tell you there a very few among us that are able to take that "hero" step.

 

Not all orders are legit though, they do what they are told, If there was a soldier to rebel against such a command and do justice, He is then proclaimed in my eyes, A hero.

 

The point of the statement "Soldiers are not heros" is that soldiers are not necessarily heroes - they can be. The point a soldier would become a hero is the point he rebels against the tyrant and does something truly heroic. Following orders is not heroic in most cases.

 

Tbh I'm not even going to bother reading the first post. Soldiers are heroes. They put their lives at risk for others. I would respect anybody who would do that, and I myself will be joining the UK army.

 

They put their lives at risk for a government they don't understand. They put their conscious in a box and stain their moral through murder & war. If the cause is heroic, then the one giving the orders is the hero. The only chance a soldier gets to be a hero is when they disobey an order and do something truly heroic.

 

If protecting the people back home in your country doesn't make you a hero then I don't know what does.

 

I strongly believe you are not living in reality, your statements appear to be acts in a movie.

American soldiers do not fight for the government, they fight for the people of the country, they fight for their mothers, fathers, siblings, peers, and the freedom of themselves.

They serve the nation and they work for others not for self.

However, my debate is responsible for none only then the US Military, no other countrys.

 

What movie? lol. How am I not living in reality? We are all living in our own reality; which is why we all have our own beliefs and theories. You shouldn't live your whole life off everybody else's knowledge.

The fact that you seem to think only american soldiers are heroes, makes you quite ignorant. If anything, heros are farmers.

 

1 - His men were supporting the government
2 - Some were evil people, not all.
3 - Hitler also had a draft...which means some were forced

Geneva Conventions. Check it out chief.

Good shit bro...good luck.

You are a modern day hippy...with you're nice little pot plant/and anti-soldier slogans etc. . .You would have done well during Vietnam. As far as "following orders" its called discipline. And the whole thing about "the one giving the orders is a hero" What do you get when you have a team full of leaders? You have forty one-man armies. Being in the military is a team effort, you need order, and you need men to make those orders happen.

Superman/cat woman/spider man/etc. . .why you ask? Because they live in a fantasy world.

If soldiers are "evil" then we are a necessary "evil", you want to know why? If all the "evil American Soldiers" died tomorrow. The other "more evil soldiers" of different countries would be on our coasts within days, maybe hours. . .Raping you're mom, killing you're dad, smoking you're weed, fucking you're sister. Wile you pray for justice as you get beaten unmercifully. They'll make you want death.

 

This isn't everybody else's knowledge, this is what we know, from personal experience of the experience of friends/family who've fought in any type of war.

If I'm ignorant because I am only subjecting myself to the military of the country I LIVE in, and you claim that farmers are heros then I would hate to see what you categorize yourself as.

This scene is in about every dramatic TV show, and/or movie.

 

Plz.. This ain't Hollywood young Movie Buff

 

Hitlers men had a unique, ignorantly positive goal in mind. Not only that, but they were weak, and therefore, influenced easily.

In saying that Hitlers men were bad, you say that ignorant men are bad. If that is not your view, don't say such things.

Such is blasphemy of the very concept!

Does the invisible hand make the owner any better!? Many join the branches of military, not to protect others, but for the benefits that it gives! Simply because an added 'bonus', one that many who join the army don't even care about, is "protecting those back home", that in no way means that that's their motivation.

By your logic, the following scenario is true.

A man holds up a bank. In that bank, there is another man who was planning to kill his wife and catch a plane to another country. However, since the robber held up the bank, the man couldn't kill his wife in time. The wife, in return, stays alive.

The man who robbed the bank was a hero.

As you can see, your logic is flawed in many places.

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A soldier is a tool for a greater cause. Not a hero.

 

Good Post however Crayons may also be required..

 

I agree with what you said about Hitlers men...but the second part, christ haha.

You can't tell someone their logic is flawed with an even more flawed/ logically fucked/unrealistic scenario that won't happen.

I Don't want to harp on it but...why can't I still follow threw with killing my wife? I can really go on forever.

Let me set you up with a scenario.


A man holds up a bank. In that bank, there is another man who was planning to kill his wife and catch a plane to another country. However, since the robber held up the bank, the man couldn't kill his wife for another hour where he could catch the next flight. The wife, in return, is still dead

The man who robbed the bank, and the man who killed his wife are both pricks. The end.

 

I do not hold soldiers on a pedestal over everyone. I do not think they deserve it. They both oppress and suppress; they both murder and save; and, they both conquer and become conquered. This matter is far too subjective to say that soldiers are heroes, as some are heroes, others villains. I think it is both courageous and bastardly to be a soldier.