Twinz casino scam/fraud

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  1. Unread #21 - Aug 18, 2022 at 8:29 AM
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    Twinz casino scam/fraud

    Hey Andy not a problem.

    The original Discord server got banned along with my old Discord account for breaking Discord TOS. There was no rank purchase TOS discussed as @Geluk states above, the rank purchases were discussed with ranks via DM or in the server, because of the deletions I have no evidence of that. His initial rank was purchased in October and because he couldn't afford it upfront and he had an active Sythe account I didn't mind letting him pay the fee over a course of weeks/months.

    While he was paying weekly for his rank (that at the time) was a recruit (lowest rank in the server), he was happy to continuously upgrade his rank as he profited from the server, he won the lottery in the server (which he admits to above) that lead him to his lieutenant rank which cost a sum of 5b.

    "they never said anything about the fact i wouldnt get it back after i would quit as i never had to accept any TOS that states that or anything else regarding any rules. The rest of the deposits where made over the course of the time being there."


    I didn't think I had sufficient evidence to report @Geluk due to my main account getting deleted (Twinz#5158), but I've got screenshots from @Geluk's ex worker of @Geluk incriminating himself, admitting to scamming me 2b that I actually forgot about lol, the scam happened when @Geluk had NO motive as this was the FIRST server from over 4 months ago, basically taking advantage of me thinking that he could get away with it due to the server getting deleted

    Screenshot - a67054d03da2bab389191540f9a21bff - Gyazo
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    Screenshot - b0c6b2c8b782c7810f7c814e49f143cb - Gyazo (Lucky deletes evidence of him admitting to scamming 2b)

    "I never scammed you anything because i talked open about it in discord dms but you never asked it back."
    I don't recall these dm's but now I'm asking for it back as it was a blatant attempt to let me forget and then scam me.

    "i guess you are talking about the loan of 1bill I got from you to put in the pot that disappeared within a day to swipe his balance?"
    another 1b that he's admitted to taking from me and not repaying, in addition to "that disappeared within a day to swipe his balance?", the house can lose yes, but you still have no evidence of you actually losing that 1b so it's ANOTHER invalid claim.

    @Geluk also had a loan from the server Screen capture - 4697c93e21571790103da9862dcdf3c5 - Gyazo

    2b scam = 2b
    1b loan = 1b
    Loan = 538.7m

    TOTAL = 3.5B


    we have plenty of ranks that have NO ISSUE with this that can be DM'd

    If you want the host rank I can give you that and you can get a better understanding of the server as I can imagine this is quite confusing, if you want anything in particular explaining I can do that also.

    Discord - Twinz#9999
     
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  3. Unread #22 - Aug 18, 2022 at 3:36 PM
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    Geluk Formerly known as skrankskeee

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    first of all the 1bill loan is the same as the 2bill he thinks i scammed which i already posted proof of payment before and the chat logs are in the link i dmed to andy because it has sensitive info in them.

    if i delete the post thenthey will just post it again with the link so the rsn names would be made public again like they did before with watchadoins screenshots which i was told not to make public

    He owes me more than the screenshots i send but i have no record of everything but i guess this is already more than enough
     
  5. Unread #23 - Aug 18, 2022 at 3:59 PM
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    Geluk Formerly known as skrankskeee

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    yo forgetting the banker balance i still had when you banned me imgur.com
    i owe you just the 975m
     
  7. Unread #24 - Aug 18, 2022 at 5:39 PM
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    I didn't include that because that proof has been deleted unfortunately, I didn't forget don't worry.

    I prefer IF I make accusations to actually back them up and not defame people.

    As for the "i owe you just the 975m", no. you don't just owe me the 975m. you owe 3.977m as you just stated you owe for the banker balance as well.

    2b scam = 2b
    1b loan = 1b
    Loan = 538.7m
    banker = 435.6m

    TOTAL = 3977m

    "which i already posted proof of payment before"
    I missed this where was this proof posted?
     
  9. Unread #25 - Aug 18, 2022 at 5:58 PM
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    Geluk Formerly known as skrankskeee

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    you missed it because i redacted the proof so its not shown to the public, if you get accused in court the evidence isnt in your hands either and it has a reason why its like that but like you keep telling me do you have any actual proof i never payed you back besides me mentioning this? as you told me you wrote it all down several times
     
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  11. Unread #26 - Aug 18, 2022 at 6:51 PM
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    >you missed it because i redacted the proof so its not shown to the public

    For what possible reason? So you're saying you paid back the 2b to twinz and have some sort of proof of paying him back 2b but won't reveal it because "if you get accused in court the evidence isnt in your hands either and it has a reason why it's like that". If it's simply a screenshot of you paying back the 2b you can just post it.

    >if you get accused in court the evidence isn't in your hands either
    What do you mean by this? It's just wrong. When in court both sides submit their evidence to the cout beforehand and parties can object to certain evidence. "surprise evidence" doesn't exist outside of t.v setting (except in interrogations which might be what you are thinking of) Before a trial takes place the judge can rule evidence be not included in the case even if it's factual as it wasn't known at the time to either party. A common example is the criminal record of someone,it can easily influence a jury and it would be rejected as evidence.

    >and it has a reason why it's like that
    Meaningless statement

    >do you have any actual proof i never payed you back besides me mentioning this?
    The proof is that you mentioned it. What other proof do you want? You stated in the screenshot that you didn't pay him back.
    That's easily enough proof the level of proof you asking for is what? A full 24/7 recording of everything twinz has ever done since in his life since the start of the server? Look up negative proof sometimes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

    >as you told me you wrote it all down several times
    His discord was lost along with the server so there isn't a full record of everything. its not really relevant as the amount owed is tallied there with proof to show it. Thankfully you (inadvertently) provided sufficient evidence about the 2b you didn't pay back.
     
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    well then let sythe decide what the outcome is i guess and if they have questions for you regarding the proof i posted they can ask it in private since the public doesnt need to see any in game names imho
     
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    >well then let sythe decide what the outcome is i guess and if they have questions for you regarding the proof i posted they can ask it in private since the public doesnt need to see any in game names imho

    So just to be clear you're claiming you paid twinz 2b back using in-game gp of the money that you owed to him?

    And you already posted proof of that before in this thread but then deleted it because it had names visible? I don't remember seeing that post, perhaps i missed it.

    You can simply just show the screenshot with names censored if you are worried about that. I expect no response to this direct statement.

    `;)~It's always better to be honest then you don't have to keep track of any lies. ~ `;)
     
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    Good one
     
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    It's my new signature. Don't you like it? As predicted you did not respond to my direct statement.
    If you have video or screenshot evidence of you paying back 2b you can easily post it with names redacted right now, there's no issue.

    `;) ♡ ~It's always better if you're honest, then you don't have to keep track of any lies. ~ ♡ `;)
     
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    This isn't really well-substantiated enough to hold them liable for.

    I've also reviewed the rank purchase/upgrade chats and the language used suggests that these were buy-ins as opposed to deposits. So these will not have to be refunded.

    The total owed here is 2974.3m from @Geluk to @Goldwyn as there is not enough proof that it was repaid and the admission to owing it in the first place was deleted.

    I've added a DNT until this has been repaid.

    Zora edit: The 2974.3m has been repaid
     
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    @Geluk is currently unable to repay this so they'll be keeping their DNT and can request a pardon when they're able to repay.

    Proceeding with the rest of this ruling:

    There is abundant proof that @Goldwyn/Twinz Casino and some of the ranks within engaged in malicious behavior through the use of alts in the server to artificially inflate activity levels, to gamble against lower ranked hosts, and to manipulate giveaways.

    As such those involved have been DNT'd and banned for 3 months and will need to request a pardon should they wish to return to Sythe.
     
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