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    Okay instead of writing up a big post again to refute all that lemee just say that I don't support trump, hillary, or bernie...but dude you're thinking is sooooooooo flawed. You just said it was unconstitutional to discriminate against blacks which was exactly my point, yet Trump did that. Also, if you're going to try and uphold the constitution...does banning muslims from entering the U.S. align with freedom of religion? No. You can't just say the constitution applies to some people that you agree with and for others it doesn't. If you can't see the flaws in your logic, then there is no use arguing with you anymore.

    Also, I'm tired of you asserting that it is illegal to protest at a rally. You know how restaurants can refuse service to people because it is their private business? Same idea at a rally. The private venue can make people leave the venue, but they can't arrest people for protesting BECAUSE IT'S NOT ILLEGAL. for fuck sake
     
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    I don't support any of them either.

    What? No. It is unconstitutional for the government to decide who Trump makes rental contracts with.

    Ask yourself this question: Do you think that Trump hates blacks more than he loves money? You think he would turn away tenants cash in hand just because he didn't like their race?

    When black people move into areas, crime goes up, and whites move out, driving down property prices. Trump opposed unconstitutional government forced rental contracts, it was either because of racism, or because he wanted to make money, but it can't be both.


    Anyone who would let Muslims into the United States is in direct opposition to the constitution. Islam does not allow freedom of speech. Islam does not allow freedom of religion. Islam is directly opposed to the United States constitution.


    The constitution doesn't apply to enemy soldiers who are attacking you. That's just my professional legal interpretation.

    You know how Trump CAN'T refuse services to black people when it is his private business? More defense for the United States' unconstitutional regulation of Trump's rental contracts.

    But you skipped my question:

    The first amendment doesn't make it legal for you to trespass at a private venue.
     
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    Can we straighten something up here. There are 1.6 billion+ muslims in the world. How can you hold all those people's religion responsible for the actions of radicals? That's what your whole argument was based around earlier. You know there are Christian terrorists, Jewish terrorists, people who commit acts of terror for racial reasons, terrorist acts by anarchists, etc.

    Please stop saying this death toll is the fault of Islam. It makes you look very ignorant.
     
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    Really? My whole argument was based on because some Muslims are terrorists, Islam itself is bad?

    YOU ARE BEING DISHONEST. I have stated clearly and repeatedly that Islam is bad because it considers Muhammad the voice of god & ideal man, who was a murderer, slaveholder, and pedophile. He commanded his followers to behead unbelievers and kill anyone who does not follow Muhammad's laws.

    It's FACTUAL, what do you mean ignorant?

    Also, you have just avoided answering this AGAIN:

    The first amendment doesn't make it legal for you to trespass at a private venue.
     
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    Muslims do not follow the example of the historical Muhammad, but rather his teachings in the Qur'an. The Qur'an does not tell very much about the history of Muhammad. Now, there are two historical accounts of Muhammad in literature: the Hadith and the Sira. The Hadith is what is favored by Muslims and THAT is what is used to depict moral behavior. The Sira is typically REJECTED by Muslims, and that is the source that contains the sort of accounts which you cite.

    Not to mention, these were both written 1-2 centuries after Muhammad's death. So, some scholars hold that we can know virtually nothing about him (or even that he existed). I am not going to go that far, and I will actually agree with you that he did do those terrible things.



    However, are there not terrible or absurd things stated in other major religion's holy books? For example, the Bible.



    "Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. 2 Kings 2:23-25 NIV"

    "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18"

    "He [Josiah] executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them…. He did this in obedience to all the laws written in the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the LORD’s Temple. Never before had there been a king like Josiah, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and soul and strength, obeying all the laws of Moses. And there has never been a king like him since. 2 Kings 23:20-25 NLT"

    "You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT"

    "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5 NLT"

    "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21"



    Anyways, the point I'm getting at is that followers of a religion do not actually put these absurd ideas into practice. Therefore, you cannot say an entire religion is bad because of some of the writings or actions of a prophet. You have to look to the followers of a religion as a whole. I could state that Christianity is bad because of the scriptures above and the acts of some of its prophets. However I have respect for other people's religion, regardless of what I think of it.

    In regards to Islam, it also does a lot of good for people. It provides them with sound morals and a faith in which to live for. Obviously some people kill in the name of their religion, but you cannot say an entire religion is bad because of that.



    That is true. A lot of the protesting done at Trump rallies is in violation of the law, and I wasn't trying to say they were in the right in terms of the law. However, you can legally protest a Trump rally. You have the right to protest as long as you do so without causing a disturbance or disruption. There are also designated free speech zones where you are allowed to protest at a rally.

    This only does not apply if the people are informed beforehand that they are not welcome there (but obviously you cannot say that African Americans or Muslims are not welcome because that's in violation of the constitution). It is only a violation if you "knowingly… impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions." I would argue that under this law silent protest done in a way that is not disruptive, is legal even under this new law.

    Now that is my interpretation of the law and we would have to see how that played out in an actual court of law to see which way it would go. But, I don't think we'll see a conclusion there because it would not be good politically for Trump to press charges against protesters.
     
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    Muhammad's commands & teachings in the Quran are barbaric and immoral. In the Quran, he commands Muslims to kill unbelievers, and take slaves.

    Right. And 1.6 billion people consider this outright evil conqueror the ideal man and voice of god.

    Yes, there are.

    The point I'm getting at is that they do. Are you completely oblivious to the active extermination and enslavement of non-Islamic people currently in Muslim controlled areas? Are you completely oblivious to this being the case for 1400 years since Muhammad himself?

    Yes I absolutely fucking can say that the religion is evil because it commands that everyone submit to a mass murderer, slaveholder, pedophile, or be executed.

    First of all, you are contradicting your previous post, where you said the religion itself should not be judged by its followers:

    Second of all: The followers of the religion as a whole are overwhelmingly in support of violence and against human rights:


    Would you respect a religion that worships Hitler, and says to kill anyone who doesn't believe that Hitler was the ideal man, spoke the word of god? Would you respect a religion that worships Genghis Khan as a prophet, and commands that you kill or enslave anyone who doesn't follow Genghis Khan's laws?

    Why would you respect anything "regardless of what you think of it"? That's fucking idiotic, it defeats the purpose of thinking in the first place if you are just going to accept getting cucked no matter what.

    Is murdering innocent people acceptable?

    This is the opposite of what you claimed earlier:

    Free Speech "ZONES"? What are you even talking about? 1A doesn't allow you to trespass on private property period, no matter what you speech you feel like you have to say.

    Silent protest? Where did you get the idea that these protests were silent? What makes you think these people are """unknowingly""" disrupting these rallies?

    I wish Trump would press charges against them, throw them in fucking prison for their premeditated crime. You aren't even safe on your own private property from these bastards. The fact it would be bad for him politically shows just how deliberately you can break the law and have people still support you.
     
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    So many people attacking Trump on a daily basis. All I ever see is I hate Trump campaigns via Media and Facebook. It's funny because the majority are aged between 18-25. Little to no life experience and nothing to lose. All they see is cheaper education, prison population decreased and legalization of weed. Has anyone actually asked how he plans to accomplish all of this?
     
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    The Quran does not command Muslims to kill unbelievers per-say. That is a common misconception surrounding the definition of "jihad." Rather, the Quran orders believers to fight in combat against those who are the oppressors, aggressors and terrorists and those who are assaulting and killing the innocent men, women and children. But it gives out clear orders - NOT TO Fight against those who are not fighting against you...

    This is both true and untrue at the same time. Sure they consider Muhammad's positive aspects that of the ideal man, but not the historical Muhammad. They consider Muhammad's teachings in the Quran to be ideal and received from god. So, saying that 1.6 billion think violence, rape, and pedophilia to be ideal is ludicrous.

    Terrorists kill non-Muslims and Muslims alike because they have EXTREME ideas. Muslim controlled areas generally inflict violence on people of their same religion because they do not share the same extreme ideas about that religion. Why do you think there are so many Syrian refugees? Because they are seeking peace from that kind of violence that has riddled their country. Yes what you said happens, but to say that this makes Islam bad in and of itself is also ludicrous.

    Once again, untrue. The Quran does say you can take slaves, but so does the Bible and Torah. I don't see you ranting against any extremists that follow those religions. You agreed that there are terrible things in many holy books, but you didn't answer the fact the majority of followers condemn those ideas even though they are in their holy book. Personally I think religion in general is bad, but not because some extremists claim to follow one or the other.




    I was not contradicting myself. I said to look to the followers AS A WHOLE. This means look to the majority of peace-loving Muslims who practice their religion without violence the same way people do every day in America.

    The video you posted stated that people following other religions are not committing acts of terrorism (he's an orthodox Jew so obviously he'll overlook a lot of Israel's aggression towards Palestine), which is also not true. In fact, some studies show that Jewish extremists attacks are more prevalent in America than attacks by Muslims. Have you not heard that non-Muslims carried out more than 90% of attacks in the U.S?

    The video which you linked has several flaws. The so-called "radicals" they say are a majority, are in fact a minority in the most of the countries surveyed. Also, the main ones that were a majority were in countries where there is already extremist control which obviously would skew the results. Last I checked opinion polls can vary wildly depending on who is conducting them, and obviously that source has a bias against Islam. Let me also say that the only number they could put up for THEIR definition of radicals was ~600,000 which is once again, not a majority. There are 1.6-1.7 billion+ Muslims in the world, so ~600,000 is STILL a minority. This guy contradicts himself throughout the video. Part of the definition of radicalism is support for mutilation of genitals? Okay the guy himself is a radical under that sort of definition because he is an orthodox Jew who supports circumcision of newborn males. He also is probably against gay marriage because orthodox Jews view homosexuals as sinners. See where I'm going with this? Basically, some followers of every major religion will have some distasteful views, but you cannot condemn an entire religion because of that.


    No I wouldn't. However, this is not a good analogy for Islam because I poked holes in your logic above which is the only basis for making this kind of argument.


    I wouldn't. The respect peaceful followers of Islam because they have a right to believe what the want. However, that respect does not carry over to people who infringe on the rights of others. Therefore, I don't respect terrorists. I believe that mostly covered everything.
     
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    Yes it does.


    True and untrue at the same time? They ONLY consider his positive aspects? What if they think Muhammad beheading 600 Jews was a positive aspect? You are being a dumbass and breaking basic debate rules:

    Which is exactly the problem, see above.

    Proof? Find me some Christians or Jews who are executing homosexuals and taking sex slaves in the name of their religion, I'll condemn them too.

    Where is the proof Pew research's poll was biased?

    What holes? Why would you respect someone who worships a mass murderer like Muhammad, and supports killing you if you don't worship Muhammad too, but not respect someone who worships a mass murderer like Hitler, and supports killing you if you don't worship Hitler too?

    Islam infringes on the rights of others, so you shouldn't support anyone who believes in it.
     
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    At first my opinion on this entire thing was that of course the ban is anti-american and against what America is all about.... But as i read more, my opinion started to shift.

    Yes it's still anti-american but a lot of things that goes on in this country is anti-american.

    If this ban can save lives, why not? That's what it all comes down to. Think about how many lives could have been saved in the last 2 years if countries had bans placed like this before terrorist attacks took place.

    The times we live in are extremely scary and it takes a strong stance to combat whats going on.

    My only fear is that this creates more tension which may radicalize more muslims.

    Xier0's posts honestly made me change my mind.
     
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    That's because Xeiro only posts facts and not opinions. He literally went and got those from the Karan. It's a religion of hate and violence. This isnt about hating Muslims or being racist. It's about doing whats best for the greater good of our country. I dont mind people having radical thoughts, it's the actions that scare me. Muslim radicals are ready to kill anyone at a moments notice. Im done being PC about this shit. Build the wall and save what little we already have.

    Edit: I dont believe in any religion. Now christians will say i go to hell but muslims want to fucking kill me for it... I say fuck you and your religion. Come at me bro
     
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    I agree in the sense it's not an issue that should be getting the PC treatment like seemingly everything else. And in regards to OP's post "It stands against what America stands for" I agree that this statement doesn't really mean anything anymore especially now. America and its people used to be the ones that don't back down from people but now we Americans are backing down from each other every other minute of the day due to risk of feelings being hurt. We (the U.S.) are so currently caught up in pointing fingers constantly and getting offended that it almost seems that our country is starting to simply stand for being pussies and accepting mediocrity.

    I don't agree with Trump's ideals or policies because some of them are definately a bit extreme but I'll at least give him credit for not backing down to the PC regulations that are far too ingrained in our society and becoming more so at an alarming rate. I also think I actually agree surprisingly with his proposal that's the topic of this thread
     
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    I wasn't even trying to be politically correct, yet you guys automatically label my ideas as wrong because you think I'm just trying to be PC? Jesus Christ.

    I don't believe in any organized religion either (I'm an atheist), and honestly I think organized religion overall is not technically a good thing. However, you CANNOT put a ban specifically on one religion and not any of the others for more reason than one. First, THE GOD DAMN 1ST AMENDMENT (aka part of our bill of rights. ring a bell?) allows for religious freedom regardless of the religion. The constitution is the fucking framework on which our whole government operates, you can't just pick and choose when it applies and when it doesn't. Second, if you support a ban on Muslims, then if you used the same logic you would for Islam and applied it to other religions then just go ahead and ban more Jews or Christians or anyone else for that matter from entering the country too because THERE ARE TERRORISTS WHO CLAIM THOSE RELIGIONS TOO. Oh, and they also contain hateful and despicable ideas you would consider radical too. Lastly, the proposed ban is an insult to moderate Muslims who are not radical and do not in anyway support or even sympathize with terrorists. I mean cmon...people have been sent undercover agents into mosques as radicals, and they get reported to the police by law-abiding citizens who are also MUSLIM.

    Open your fucking mind and don't look to Xiero's closed-minded opinion. He hasn't even agreed with me on any point even when I point out that he is right on some points. I have the balls to say when I'm wrong, but instead Xiero has ignored every single important part of my arguments in favor of just attacking the viewpoints which are directly opposed to his. In other words, instead of quoting my whole posts he deliberately picked out the parts which he felt were easiest to pick apart in context and ignored when I conceded to parts of his argument, but then expanded on it. So finally, I just want to say try not to be so easily swayed by a couple pictures of ONLY SOME of the recent terrorist attacks and biased videos. Instead, look to the bigger picture on how this would reflect on our government and actually do some research on smaller-scale terrorist attacks and terrorist attacks that are done by other groups which are not as frequently covered in media and occur much more frequently than large orchestrated events that are done by groups like ISIS which ARE focused on in the media.
     
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    Islam opposes the constitution (no freedom of speech, no freedom of religion, etc)

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    False.

     
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    So the only two times were when I linked a video of trump saying to kill people's families...if you would have disagreed with that people would think you're insane. Also, it's obvious that you shouldn't incite violence. Yet, you skipped over everything else.

    Also, that picture is not fucking correct. Here's a list of terrorist attacks in the U.S. since 2010

    -February 18, 2010: Austin suicide attack: Andrew Joseph Stack III flying his single engine plane flew into the Austin Texas IRS building killing himself and one IRS employee and injuring 13 others. Stack left a suicide note online, comparing the IRS to Big Brother from the novel 1984.
    -March 4, 2010: 2010 Pentagon shooting: John Patrick Bedell shot and wounded two Pentagon police officers at a security checkpoint in the Pentagon station of the Washington Metro rapid transit system in Arlington County, Virginia.
    -September 1, 2010: Discovery Communications headquarters hostage crisis: James J. Lee, armed with two starter pistols and an explosive device, takes three people hostage in the lobby of the Discovery Communications headquarters in Silver Spring, Maryland before being killed by police. After nearly four hours, Lee was shot dead by police and all the hostages were freed without injury. Lee had earlier posted a manifesto railing against population growth and immigration.[73][74]
    -August 5, 2012: Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting: Six people were killed and three others were injured, including a police officer who was tending to victims at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. The gunman, 40-year-old Wade Michael Page, killed himself after being shot by police.[75] The shooting is being treated by authorities as an act of domestic terrorism.[76][77] While a motive has not been clearly defined, Page had been active in white supremacist groups.[75]
    -April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon bombing: Two bombs detonated within seconds of each other near the finish line of the Boston Marathon, killing 3 and injuring more than 180 people.[78][79] Late in the evening of April 18 in Cambridge, Massachusetts, an MIT campus police officer was shot and killed while sitting in his squad car. Two suspects then carjacked an SUV and fled to nearby Watertown, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston. A massive police chase ensued, resulting in a shootout during which several IED's were thrown by the suspects. A Boston transit police officer was critically wounded and suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, a Russian immigrant of Chechen ethnicity, was killed. The second suspect, Tsarnaev's younger brother Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, escaped. A "Shelter in place" order was given for Boston, Watertown, and the surrounding areas while house-to-house searches were conducted, but the suspect remained at large. Shortly after the search was called off Tsarnaev was discovered by a local resident hiding inside a boat parked in the resident's driveway less than three blocks from the scene of the shootout. He was taken into custody after another exchange of gunfire and taken to nearby Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, where he was treated for injuries received during his pursuit and capture. Tsarnaev was arraigned on federal terrorism charges from his hospital bed on April 22, 2013.[80][81][82][83] Preliminary questioning indicated the Tsarnaev brothers had no ties to terrorist organizations.[84] A note written by Dzhokhar Tsarnaev on the boat where he was captured said the bombings were retaliation for US actions in Iraq and Afghanistan against Muslims.[85] On April 8, 2015, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was found guilty on all 30 counts related to the bombing and shootout with police.[86] On May 15, 2015, Tsarnaev was sentenced to death.[87]
    -April 16, 2013: April 2013 ricin letters: Two letters, sent to Mississippi Republican Senator Roger Wicker and president Barack Obama, were tested positive for ricin. Each letter contained the message "I am KC and I approve this message". On April 27, 2013, a man named Everett Dutschke was arrested.
    -November 1, 2013: 2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting: Paul Anthony Ciancia entered the checkpoint at the Los Angeles International Airport and fired his rifle, killing one Transportation Security Administration officer and injuring six others. The motivation behind the attack was Paul's inspiration of the anti-government agenda, such as believing in the New World Order conspiracy theory, and stating that he "wanted to kill TSA" and described them as "pigs".
    -December 13, 2013: 2013 Wichita bomb attempt: 58-year-old avionics technician, identified as Terry Lee Loewen, was arrested on December 13, 2013, for attempting a suicide bombing at Wichita Mid-Continent Airport, where he was employed. Loewen became radicalized after reading extremist Islamic material on the Internet. He was arrested while driving a vehicle into the airport with what he believed to be an active explosive device. Later sentenced to 20 years in Federal prison.[88]
    -April 13, 2014: Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting: A pair of shootings committed by a lone gunman occurred at the Jewish Community Center of Greater Kansas City and Village Shalom, a Jewish retirement community, in Overland Park, Kansas. A total of three people died in the shootings. One suspect, identified as Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr., a neo-Nazi neo-Pagan, was arrested and charged with capital murder, first-degree murder, attempted first-degree murder, and aggravated assault.
    -June 8, 2014: 2014 Las Vegas shootings: Two police officers and one civilian died in a shooting spree in the Las Vegas Valley committed by a couple, identified as Jerad and Amanda Miller, who espoused anti-government views and were reportedly inspired by the outcome of the Bundy standoff. The Millers both died during a gunfight with responding police; Jerad Miller was fatally shot by officers, while Amanda Miller committed suicide after being wounded.
    -October 23, 2014: 2014 New York City hatchet attack: Zale Thompson injured two New York City Police Department (NYPD) officers, once critically at a Queens, New York City shopping district by striking them with a hatchet. Four officers were posing for a photograph when Thompson charged them. The police opened fire killing Thompson and injuring a civilian. Thompson who converted to Islam 2 years before the attack posted "anti-government, anti-Western, anti-white" messages online.[89]
    November 28, 2014: Austin, Texas: Right-wing and anti-government extremist Larry Steven McQuilliams set a fire at the Mexican Consulate and shot towards several government buildings. Police arrived on scene and shot him dead. McQuilliams had a prior criminal history including drug possession and robbery.
    -December 2014: "The Guardians of Peace" linked by the United States to North Korea launched a cyber attack against SONY pictures. Embarrassing private emails were published and the organization threatened attacks against theaters that showed The Interview, a satire which depicted the assassination of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. Following the refusal of theater chains to show the movie, SONY Pictures withdrew release of the movie, a decision that was criticized by President Obama and others. Obama said the USA will respond. North Korea denied responsibility for the attack and proposed a joint investigation with the U.S.[90][91][92]
    -December 20, 2014: Ismaaiyl Brinsley killed two New York City police officers, Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu in the Bedford Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn. Brinsley was reported to have walked up and fired directly into the officers squad car. Other officers chased the suspect into a nearby subway station, where he committed suicide. Prior to the shooting, Brinsley had written Instagram messages calling for revenge attacks in response to the police killings of Eric Garner and Michael Brown. He also allegedly shot his girlfriend in Maryland earlier that day.[93][94]
    -May 3, 2015: Curtis Culwell Center attack: Two gunmen opened fire outside the Curtis Culwell Center during an art exhibit hosted by an anti-Muslim group called the American Freedom Defense Initiative in Garland, Texas. The center was hosting a contest for cartoons depicting the Muslim prophet Muhammad. Both gunmen were killed by police. A Garland Independent School District (ISD) police officer was injured by a shot to the ankle but survived. The attackers, Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi, were motivated by the Charlie Hebdo shooting in France and the 2015 Copenhagen shooting in Denmark earlier in the year. The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant claimed responsibility for the attack through a Twitter post.[95]
    -June 17, 2015: Charleston church shooting: a mass shooting took place at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in downtown Charleston, South Carolina. The church is one of the United States' oldest black churches and has long been a site for community organization around civil rights. Nine people were killed, including the senior pastor, Clementa C. Pinckney, a state senator. A tenth victim was also shot, but survived. 21-year old Dylann Roof was arrested and later confessed that he committed the shooting in order to initiate a race war.
    -July 16, 2015: 2015 Chattanooga shootings: Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez opened fire on two military installations in Chattanooga, Tennessee. He first committed a drive-by shooting at a recruiting center, then traveled to a naval reserve center and continued firing. He was killed by police in a gunfight. Four Marines were killed immediately, and another Marine, a Navy sailor, and a police officer were wounded; the sailor died from his injuries two days later. The motive of the shootings is currently under investigation.[96]
    -August 30, 2015: Hospital Bomb Threat in Mississippi: An Iranian national was arrested in Hancock County for allegedly making terrorist threats and assaulting two sheriff's deputies. His actions and threats led to a two-hour closure of the I-10 Interstate near Louisiana state line. Subsequently, the subject was taken to a local hospital, where he's still threatening to kill anyone who isn't a member of Islam or Muslim.[97]
    -November 27, 2015: Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting: Robert L. Dear, armed with an assault-style rifle opened fire at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic. Two civilians and one police officer were killed, and four civilians and five police officers were wounded before the suspect surrendered. Dear told police "No more baby parts" after being taken into custody.[98]
    -December 2, 2015: 2015 San Bernardino attack: A mass shooting occurred at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California, with 14 dead and 22 injured. Two suspects, Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, fled in an SUV, but were later killed.

    Of those 20 I think I counted 5 or 6 that were carried out by Muslim radicals, and some were mentally ill. So basically ~25% of attacks since 2010 in the U.S. White supremacist carried out a similar number of attacks. So fuck off with that picture it's not accurate or relevant because it's not a list of attacks in the U.S. Notice in the picture you provided there is only one Jihad-ism attack listed that occurred in the U.S...so again how does that constitute banning all Muslims from entering the U.S.?
     
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    Oh and it doesn't even matter if even if ALL people who follow Islam think there shouldn't be religious freedom/freedom of speech (which isn't even true). This is because until they actually take action and infringe on other people's rights their religion and thought is protected by the first amendment. For example, the KKK's freedom of speech is protected under the 1st amendment. While their ideas are despicable, they have the freedom to think that way and speak about it.
     
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    There are actually 19 total events you listed, 3 of them are not terrorist attacks. 6 of those 16 were Islam, and 2 were White Supremacy.

    These three are not terrorist attacks:

    -April 16, 2013: April 2013 ricin letters: Two letters, sent to Mississippi Republican Senator Roger Wicker and president Barack Obama, were tested positive for ricin. Each letter contained the message "I am KC and I approve this message". On April 27, 2013, a man named Everett Dutschke was arrested.
    -December 2014: "The Guardians of Peace" linked by the United States to North Korea launched a cyber attack against SONY pictures. Embarrassing private emails were published and the organization threatened attacks against theaters that showed The Interview, a satire which depicted the assassination of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. Following the refusal of theater chains to show the movie, SONY Pictures withdrew release of the movie, a decision that was criticized by President Obama and others. Obama said the USA will respond. North Korea denied responsibility for the attack and proposed a joint investigation with the U.S.[90][91][92]
    -December 20, 2014: Ismaaiyl Brinsley killed two New York City police officers, Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu in the Bedford Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn. Brinsley was reported to have walked up and fired directly into the officers squad car. Other officers chased the suspect into a nearby subway station, where he committed suicide. Prior to the shooting, Brinsley had written Instagram messages calling for revenge attacks in response to the police killings of Eric Garner and Michael Brown. He also allegedly shot his girlfriend in Maryland earlier that day.[93][94]


    I hope you can count past one.
     
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    There is only one in the U.S. in the picture you provided. Also you didn't respond to this.
     
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    Cant stump the trump baby. You Americans have alot to look forward to if he does make it ahhhh..
     
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