Trump's Immigration Ban

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Trump's Immigration Ban
  1. Unread #41 - Feb 14, 2017 at 2:17 AM
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    Trump's Immigration Ban

    Generally the way I view Trump is two sides; Good Trump and Bad Trump. My feelings about his immigration banned are mixed. It is temporary. As long as it is not a permanent ban on immigration or the adoption of refugees, then I'm completely fine with that. I'm pretty sure the Obama Administration did the same thing in his first 100 days in office, correct me if I'm wrong.
     
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    Until any of you can come up with a 100% fool proof method of knowing that every refugee entering into the country is a non- ISIS supporter I think its a mute point. He banned any and all individuals from those 7 countries because they are connected not only by religion but REGION to known islamic extremists (isis.) Everyone is trying to be a social justice warrior to make themselves look better as a human being. I would challenge you to answer one simple question. What is one direct benefit we get from allowing refugees into the country? No generalizing like its the right thing to do.. or it's our humanitarian duty. I mean directly beneficial to the economy and the overall wellbeing of our country. Because fuck the homeless veterans that served our country, lets care more about syria.
     
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    Here is one benefit - Allowing refugees of a nation into our country means that there is no counter-legislation from the other nations whose territory is clearly more central to conflict and who could be producers/consumers of USA-related goods. We lose out on consumers and produces, thus driving up the price of goods we buy and lowering the demand for goods we produce.

    A second drawback is that OPEC as a whole has fucked over America in the past and angering core nations of their pact may also lead to them doing the same again. Not going in as much detail, but a Google search would lead you to oil crises.

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    From a moral-based standpoint, it is entirely hypocritical of Conservative Christians/Catholics to refuse refugee entry. Earlier there was the predominantly Conservative March to Life rally whose core message is "All life is sacred," yet they support the death penalty and refuse to allow persecuted or other refugees into their country. Without trying to come across as a prick, it baffles me how people can be so incoherent in their values.

    Addressing your 100% statement: There is a 24 month vetting process that the US Government goes through for each refugee that comes into our nation so if that's not fool-proof I don't know what is. At some point you have to realize that our everyday threats outweigh the threat of terrorism in our homeland by a significant margin. Look at the murder rates, it's no real competition.
     
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    So I don't think you actually realize what the "extreme vetting" for already known refugees really is. Its an AVERAGE of 18-24 months. Not only that it entails interviews while your already living here. You get interviewed over the phone or in person. They ask questions about personal things like.. your love life, your opinions of the U.S., your personal interests. Its basically a questionnaire for a dating site. You can pretty mucb fake your way through the questioning WHILE you're already here. SOOO EXTREME.
     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/29/us/refugee-vetting-process.html?_r=0
     
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    You wouldn't expect some kind of lengthy process to become a citizen? Like at all? "Hey you have been here what.... 2 months? Meh fuck it welcome to the United States." I am a racist then because I lock my door? I am a racist because I secure my wifi? You date someone 2 months and immediatly marry them? You meet someone you want to hang out with at the bar... and after 2 months you give them a house key.. You don't know if this human likes men or women, enjoys walks on the beach, or identifies as a toaster, but you know you want them to come to your house anytime they feel necessary. That is asinine.

    You want to have such a bleeding heart for other nations when we have such a problem here? Then get out of your house and off your computer. Go out and donate to a charity or host an event. I honestly do feel terrible for other nations that go through trouble. But I feel worse for the veterans that serve our country and come back to a system that is supposed to support them that is extremely broken. I feel terrible that in inner cities and around the nation it feels easier for some to sell drugs and make money that way than it is to hold a steady job. Why are we as Americans so caught up in everyone elses dilemmas but forget to take any actions against any we have at home.
     
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    I had no clue wishing best for refugees and wishing best for veterans were mutually exclusive.

    Face it - for every factual-based question I have come back with points and now you're left with this argument which contains filler. I guess we should stop Colombian immigrants because they may be involved in the drug trade. Mexicans? I heard from a guy in power that they're rapists so let's not let them in either. Germans might be Nazis and Irishmen could be members of the IRA.

    We are a nation FOUNDED on immigration by immigrants and to compare the plight of refugees to veterans is an obvious deflection from what once was a legitimate argument of yours. I've volunteered at shelters, donated clothing, and attempted to do my part with the veterans but that sure as hell doesn't mean I have to turn my back on another person seeking asylum in the United States just like my great grandfather and mother did. So please if you want to make this a discussion then make an actual argument or refer to my first post and just admit that you "don't like em."
     
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    What I find hilarious is that I haven't said one word about Muslims being bad or that I dislike them. I did say however I care about our nations problems more. Your benefit that you stated is that our economy remains stable because 220 million people buy our Fubu jeans and unbranded trucker hats. You do realize the cost of immigration comes out of taxpayers pockets correct?
     
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    Trump's Immigration Ban

    Anyone have more thoughts now that a second order has been signed?
     
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    The irony here is that many U.S towns were founded by people escaping religious discrimination.
     
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    Trump's Immigration Ban

    We bomb them, invade their homes, torture and abduct them for questioning, then offer victims of war a home in our country. We're fooling ourselves to think only good intentions are harbored for "saving" these "victims". I'm also against the ban, but it's food for thought.
     
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    Trump's Immigration Ban

    I'm for it, not for all Muslims but for the countries that harbor these radical Islamic terrorists and then try to send them here to kill our people. At least until we can gain control of our borders. Just look at all of these other countries since we have enforced this ban, all of the terror attacks that have taken place. It is a proven fact that you can't let just everyone into your country because you never know what they may have planned or who they are working for. I support the ban on the countries that have been presented within the ban and I will continue to support it until we have a better system to end Americans from dying to terrorist attacks, I advise other countries to do the same
     
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    The problem arises when the US and Europe begin to take in notable amounts of migrants from countries that aren't in war zones. Other countries that we might not have interacted with could also devolve into war on their own. I agree with the basis of what you're saying, but the US has to be careful how it applies this responsibility.
     
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    Except there's never been terrorist attacks from people from the countries in the list. If that were the case then Saudi Arabia would be on the list. Of course you cannot let anyone into your country but vetting and visas exist for that purpose, a blanket ban is just stupid.
     
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    But if we put them on the list how would the military industrial complex make money?
     
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    There has never been any terrorist attacks carried out by people from Syria, Yemen, or Libya?
     
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    Trump's Immigration Ban

    Lots of people want to move to US and live here and have a great life, and there are also some people who want to see people get hurt. Trump wants to do something called "vetting" which is just a way of making sure Americans know who is getting into the country. He suggested to halt or slow immigration from areas of the world where the terrorists are coming from, until US has those "vetting" systems in place. I think that this idea is OK, on the other hand, 100% banning the immigration doesn't sound good.
     
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