Thoughts on gun control and gun culture in the US?

With recent events playing out how they have, do you think there should be stricter gun laws? The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world. Do you own guns and do you think anything should be different with gun laws in the US?

 

I don't live in the US but stricter rules need to be enforced. I am not saying take guns out of the picture completely for civillians, but there need to be stricter background checks, increased powers for the police on the streets and certain types of firearms banned completely (who the hell is going to be needing an automatic rifle for?)

 

What laws can the government place that would mitigate the use of the 300 million guns in circulation, but not obstruct the second amendment? I would love to cease such use of weaponry to the 9th degree, but the gun nut loons would lose their head.

 

Gun control really boils down to having an armed government but not an armed people. And of course we know all our governments to be so virtuous and not prone to mass murder. Oh wait...

 

These talks are jokes at this point, as you said US has highest gun ownership rates. Its too late, if they were to start confiscating guns the people would turn on them. There are plenty of other countries with high firearm ownership rates and very little gun violence. We should focus on what they are doing that we ARENT.

According to wikipedia there are 90 guns (civilian owned!!! Military weapons are not counted!) for every 100 people. The only people who will follow stricter gun laws are law abiding citizens, meaning it will change nothing. Bad guys don't follow rules and the guns are already there.

Nearly every mass shooting suspect in the past 10 years or so has had some documented mental illness/instability. How these people end up with guns is what concerns me, if they can document mental illness and instability they should be able to incorporate it into the background check.

Then again that (backround checks) only goes for NEW guns from a shop or licensed individual, individuals are allowed to sell used guns Willy Nilly via Facebook, Craigslist, Gun Shows and garage sales!

Also : www.sythe.org/general-discussion/1685082-firearms-talk-enthusiats-not-anti-gun-bedwetters.html 'Murrica!

 

Yeah, a lot of people that commit crimes with guns obtain the guns legally I am assuming. If not they can go to a gun show and purchase from a "private collector" without one. I had a lot of things willed to me from a relative that passed away recently. Some of the things included guns and all I had to do was go to the courthouse and pick them up. I had no idea what were in some of the cases but I ended up getting a Spikes tactical AR-15 sniper mod (I think that's what the mod/style is called) I never owned a gun before it and they just kind of handed me all these cases and I was on my way. Kind of scary/weird to think about.

 

I find the entire "we need guns to protect ourselves" argument bull. Yes, the U.S. populations owns a ridiculous amount of guns, no they do not stand a chance against an actual military campaign against the U.S. Sorry to break it to you, but your M4 that you have in your closet is not going to stand a chance against a drone or an F-35.

Also, studies and statistics have shown that in-home gun ownership increases both chances of homicides taking place alongside the chance of a successful suicide.

Anyway, I don't know if I would say it's too late to initiate gun control, but it would be incredibly difficult. Unlike places such as Europe & Australia, black market guns are not expensive in the U.S. It would take years to attempt to remove guns from the market place to where the availability would be scarce.

I don't have a problem with gun ownership; I myself own two shotguns and my dad owns more guns then I care to count. Now, I do think proper steps need to be taken to ensure guns cannot be purchased by the likes of Dylan Roof. Background check loopholes need to be fixed and IMO there should be limits on what everyday civilians can go buy. IMO John Smith does not need an assault rifle with extended mags.

Guns are not some inherently bad thing and there are ways to address the U.S. problem of mass shootings.

Also, check out what Bernie Sander's says about guns in a recent interview:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...mont_are_not_the_same_as_guns_in_chicago.html

No country comes close to the U.S. in actual private ownership rates. The U.S. owns approximately 42% of the WORLDS private owned guns.



Edit: Also I saw elsewhere in your post you mentioned Wikipedia's stats. Wikipedia's stats are often incorrect and in a different thread (on the topic of gun ownership) there were some significant discrepancies between them and GunPolicy. I would use them (gunpolicy) for any stats related to gun ownership whether private/military/illegal/whatever.

 

I own two mosin-nagangts, a remington 870 and HK45. Ohhhhh and guess what... my firearms have never grown legs and open fired on people.

Half the time this comes down to seller common sense. I've seen idiots walk into gun shops and joke around with the weapons they're handed, the owners ask them to leave and they won't sell them a firearm. On the other hand, I think we all know there are people who don't follow the law regardless of background checks.

I know people would like to pretend that the millions of guns lying around may turn out one day to have a mind of their own, and that ALL THIS TIME it has been the work of demonic spirits possessing them, buttttttttt I think that's a little far fetched.

There are 300 Million+ people in the US, and just as many firearms, yet....... we don't have the highest homicide rate compared to other countries. LOL I just find that to be hysterical.

 

Ill be quick and to the point on my point of few guns don't kill people, people kill people. The only people that would really give up there guns are the people who are not criminals. You think some thug on the street going to give his guns up your crazy.

 

Yeah, I don't think people are pretending that it's not people killing people but using instruments to make it easier. When I got an inheritance that included many high powered rifles, what is stopping me from selling them to any random guy for a few grand? I inherited a Valley Ordnance 0.50 bmg and all I did was pick it up at the courthouse. The gun was obtained legally and there are very few shooting ranges around me (about ~2 hours to the nearest one that allows .50 rounds to be shot) Just kind of weirded me out that I got this insanely high powered rifle just handed to me no questions asked.

 

Still like Chris Rock's idea to stop making bullets.

 

Wouldn't work. You can reload from used casings, make gun powder in numerous ways, and smelt lead (or other soft metals!) Into cast bullets.

Also at least 60% of ammo is imported these days. Moron.

 

Yes, people kill people, but guns provide a faster and more efficient way for said people to kill other people.

Felons cannot own a firearm and the felons that do are doing so illegally. As for non-felon criminals, if a crime is committed it should be removed, but most guns being used by criminals are not purchased legally. Guns on the U.S. black market are also incredibly cheap and easy to get due to the massive supply.

While highly unlikely and incredibly difficult to do, measures could be taken to remove various guns from the U.S. population; furthermore, if there weren't so many guns available in the U.S. they wouldn't be so cheap on the U.S. black market.

This is such a dumb meme. Hmm, lets compare a failed drug war and gun control, because they're exactly the same thing.

1. Gun ownership has shown a strong correlation on successful suicide attempts and homicides.
2. Manufacturing drugs and manufacturing guns are hardly the same thing.

 

Definitely stricter, its to the point now where EVERYBODY owns a gun for 'protection'

 

Okay so guns make it easier for people to kill people. You don't think those people will still be able to get a gun easy? like I said drug are illegal and I can tell you where to go to get any kind of drug you want. They will have to pay more for a gun compared to now a days but that just means the thugs on the streets will have yet another way to make money.

They will end up the same way failed. Maybe up north people would just hand over there illegal guns but down south its just never going to happen. People down here wouldn't give them up they are to head strong about it. So when everyone says no about giving up there guns who is going to go get them. Not the active military, not the national guard or reservist so who?

 

You ignored like half my post, yes I do think guns will still be easily available due to the vast amount that is available in the U.S. There are ways to solve said issues and Australia could be looked at as a possible example. If there weren't so many guns in circulation, price wouldn't be nearly as low, and guns wouldn't be nearly as available as they are now.

Cool, buying weed and buying a firearm are entirely different things. Firearms are harder to produce then drugs (generally speaking) and you're not going to find people at parties selling a firearm like they do ecstasy. Drugs are an entirely different thing and you cannot just compare them because it's convenient.

Loving your optimism.

Your entire paragraph revolves around individuals handing over their illegal guns. If someone owns a gun illegally, they're not going to come forward to begin with.

Anyway, any "gun removal program" would likely (at least at this point in time) have to be optional. Said program would probably take form in a buy-back like program in which you can turn guns in voluntarily for whatever amount. Even that would face a strong resistance from the NRA, politicians, and people.

 

Guns are very easy to make. Prisoners make them out of crap that is lying around. Gun control only stops law abiding citizens from having guns. It does nothing to stop criminals from getting guns just like laws against drugs fail to stop people from getting them.

 

You can 3D print guns as well.

 

This is a very real issue. Technically speaking a gun is not a "firearm" without a serial numbered receiver. They consider the frames of a pistol the receiver, with so many polymer framed handguns out there its very easy to buy a slide, trigger, barrel and magazine (no ID required, no backround checks!) And print the frame. Same with AR 15's and AKs... They also sell what's called "95 percent" receivers which are factory receivers with all but 1-2 holes drilled technically not making it a receiver at all (no serial #'s, no documentation or backround check). No paperwork, you can build an AR 15 with nothing but a cordless drill, a punch set and absolutely no paper trail whatsoever LEGALLY.

There are also a few 3D printable designs of extremely crude single shot handguns made entirely of printed mediums. TL;DR you can make a gun out of a fucking staple gun. You can reload ammo from old movie film (gun powder) and car batteries for lead. Its too late, its too easy and there are too many guns AND loopholes.

 

This. lol

The whole "hurr hurr guns are hard to make!" is so hysterically irrelevant because there's a guy on YT that practically brags about the fact that he 3D prints firearms. Not sure what stage he's at now, last I saw he had been successful in firing XXX number of rounds without the receiver breaking.

btw is anyone interested in my black magic kit to make your gun grow legs and commit murder for you? It's only $9.99 + shipping and handling, and you have to sell your soul.