The truth about paypal donations

[Deacon Frost]

There will be no getting new email accounts/paypal accounts. Everything will be done legitly. The person that does it must be cc verified, address verified and bank verified. Were not in the shady business Deacon.

It's not shady to protect your assets. PayPal won't take money directly out of your account, if someone does a chargeback, and they already have the rank, instead of losing money, you'll be protected.

 

[CarnageX]

I would also like to chime in again and say that I agree with phone verification.

 

[Syed]

We should have a surfpin system

TJ is more than responsible enough to handle this as he handled it last time.

 

[TJ]

It's not shady to protect your assets. PayPal won't take money directly out of your account, if someone does a chargeback, and they already have the rank, instead of losing money, you'll be protected.

Creating multiple accounts because you owe paypal money is shady. That would be like me stealing from someone and just moving somewhere else.

The question is does he want to continue it? I honestly think it's too risky. If you're dieing to donate, send it via Mail.

This is not a thread for me to try and get me to open up my business, just to show that you can take donations via paypal and do it right. I would however, open it up again if i was allowed. THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT ME BEING ABLE TO OPEN MY SHOP UP, JUST TO GET PAYPAL DONATIONS IN GENERAL.

 

[Antoine]

great idea. i support this

 

[johnty15]

Word. And still, people can get inbounds on a VOIP and just use that. Not to mention, sythe's PayPal risks limitation and other factors.

people could go to Matthews shipping address and hold him up out of the donation money back.... we have to be real. adding paypal as payment for donations would make me donate, and so what if half of it is charge backs? (which it wont be) its not like our losing anything. just take the rank away. also we could do the 45 day thing just instead as soon as we get payment change it to donor but have like donor in the making or something to say its not totally a donation yet. i honestly think having paypal donations all this time could of made an extra 1000+ bucks for sythe. im sure if this goes into play ill be a donor and alot of others will be too. support to the fullest. please make this happen

 

[shawnvd]

bad idea will get denied... if anyone else is making a profit off of sythe's ranks it will be denied

Donating is more of a privilege than a right, and 2 years ago or so the community showed we couldn't handle it.

I think we have a better chance getting Runescape Mils as a donation back.

Gtfo, you don't know shit about what sythe decides to do or not do. This is a legitimate suggestion. So according to you, users providing a service for sythe shouldn't be making a profit, so official middlemen should be free too? Runescape mills will never be accepted, since it takes way too much time and effort to transfer.

 

[TJ]

people could go to Matthews shipping address and hold him up out of the donation money back.... we have to be real. adding paypal as payment for donations would make me donate, and so what if half of it is charge backs? (which it wont be) its not like our losing anything. just take the rank away. also we could do the 45 day thing just instead as soon as we get payment change it to donor but have like donor in the making or something to say its not totally a donation yet. i honestly think having paypal donations all this time could of made an extra 1000+ bucks for sythe. im sure if this goes into play ill be a donor and alot of others will be too. support to the fullest. please make this happen

That was the hardest thing i have ever had to read..

If any of the money is charged back, the person would be banned instantly. No exceptions, ifs ands or butts.

 

[Grave]

A 3 day wait isn't too bad, tbh. Person sends money, and you instantly transfer the money to your bank account. Even if the person does a chargeback, the worst that happens is your paypal goes into the negatives. So just get a new paypal account.

With a 3 day wait, you're guaranteed to get the money.

If it goes into negatives and it's hooked to a bank account, you're fucked.

Word. And still, people can get inbounds on a VOIP and just use that. Not to mention, sythe's PayPal risks limitation and other factors.

The PayPal can easily be taken off limits by adding social security and ID.

But what people don't understand is the max time you should have to wait is 2-3 weeks. There should not be waiting of 60 days, as that is ridiculous. I did it without any problems, and raked in over 2-300$.

Also, the only way people are going to donate is for the rank. That is the only real reason people do it. Ranks are like post count, it shows trust. The more ranks, and higher they are, the more trusted you are.

Well of course 60 days would be ridiculous, but that's the only way to make it almost foolproof. You can't say everyone donates for the rank, because I'm sure there's at least one person out there that actually wants to help.

If the money is taken back at any time after it reaches the account, the person should be instantly banned.

That still gives them a 'trial' period to scam people. Probably one of the reasons PayPal was closed down, since it also required time and effort to ban all the people who charge back.

It's not shady to protect your assets. PayPal won't take money directly out of your account, if someone does a chargeback, and they already have the rank, instead of losing money, you'll be protected.

I'm sure it's against PayPal policies, and if they wanted to, they could fine you up to $2500 or something. Not to mention you can't add the same bank account to two PayPal accounts, so Matthew would have to keep getting new bank accounts.

If Sythe/Matthew decide to re-open PayPal donations, they will most likely do it themselves. I'm against someone else handling donations, because it is unsafe. When I donated for someone else via mail I was already paranoid about the package being lost so I added insurance, tracking, and signature confirmation for $6. This is the main reason I support bringing back PayPal, but it must be handled by an administrator.

 

[Cfrey]

Its not fullproof... I can recover any transaction I make on paypal by just a few phone calls.


Scenario 1:
1. Scammer donates $25
2. Sythe gets money in his paypal (which won't go to the site anyways)
3. Sythe puts in bank account
4. Scammer calls paypal, bank, or cc company
5. Sythe is now -$25 in paypal
6. Scammer repeats for luls

It adds up after awhile, and then sythe can break the law, and paypal tos to make another account to accept donations or have to deal with that -$25.


Scenario 2:
1. Sythe user age 13 donates to sythe with dads paypal
2. Sythe recieves money in paypal
3. Sythe spends money on a new game online
4. Dad is mad and calls paypal
5. Sythe is now negative ammount of what was donated.

Well now sythe actually has to use his own money to buy something instead of his own.


Scenario 3:
1. Sythe user donates to sythe to help get better server
2. Sythe recieves money in paypal
3. Sythe has a hot date in a few days so he puts that money in the bank to take the girl out somewhere nice
4. A few months later sythe user gets pissed off that the site is still laggy, and finds out that those two little ads on the right of the page cost $300+ each, so gold4rs has to be paying quite a bit, and the server only costs $400. He sees that the money he donated did not get used for helping sythe out at all so he claims back
5. Calls paypal, bank, or cc company to get money back.
6. Sythe is negative balance

I could probably make about 20 more scenarios that can happen to screw sythe over but I'm bored.

Cya

 

[FG4]

Lol so you're just saying that people can scam no matter what, and that Sythe doesn't spend any money on the website?

Grats on finally getting your account back, though.

 

[Redrum297]

Cfrey that was so bitchy :L
I think the phone option would be better honestly, but I do think that Paypal donations should be brought back. I imagine the income for these greatly outweighed that of WU and mail, and while the money was going through an outer party, it did all reach it's intended target.
What was the actual reason Sythe gave for removing Paypal donations?

 

[FireZ]

Your scenario 2 fails extremely hard. Paypal doesn't give a damn about a dad who can't keep his 13 year old out his paypal account.

Anyways we need to think of good bullshit prevention ideas rather then sitting here bitching how bad its not gonna be.

 

[TJ]

You are right cfrey, its not full proof. But within the 2-3 months that i did paypal donations i got charged back once. I still had the money and it was only 10$ so it wasn't a big deal.

 

[TJ]

Bringing this back from the dead.

 

[kfjjjdst]

bad idea will get denied... if anyone else is making a profit off of sythe's ranks it will be denied

Donating is more of a privilege than a right, and 2 years ago or so the community showed we couldn't handle it.

I think we have a better chance getting Runescape Mils as a donation back.

That, although it's nearly impossible to take RSGP as donation, hence the selling process' slowness and what not. Any time Gp could stop selling, thus making the donations worth nothing at all, but I still rather support that, then the paypal idea.

EDIT: one important note I forgot: RSGP has a huge disadvantages as well: It has no stable currency like USD does. USD is a currency and RSGP is an online game's gold, thus making it highly unstable and unreliable.

 

[TJ]

That, although it's nearly impossible to take RSGP as donation, hence the selling process' slowness and what not. Any time Gp could stop selling, thus making the donations worth nothing at all, but I still rather support that, then the paypal idea.

Why would you not support a paypal money trade, but support rsgp? Because the paypal money is actual hard cash.

 

[kfjjjdst]

Why would you not support a paypal money trade, but support rsgp? Because the paypal money is actual hard cash.

Yeah, just realised and edited my post as you were posting, but the question really is: Which risk do we want more? Chargebacks and direct loss of funds or indirect loss of funds, through a RSGP crash for example. I'm not that experienced with Paypal, so I couldn't really support it, is why I said I'd stand by RSGP rather, sry TJ.
Personal oppinion only.

 

[TJ]

Yeah, just realised and edited my post as you were posting, but the question really is: Which risk do we want more? Chargebacks and direct loss of funds or indirect loss of funds, through a RSGP crash for example. I'm not that experienced with Paypal, so I couldn't really support it, is why I said I'd stand by RSGP rather, sry TJ.
Personal oppinion only.

Chargebacks aren't really a problem as long as you lay down guidelines. I did donations for sythe for around 3 months last year, and only got charged back once. I still had the money (didnt send it to matthew yet) and the person was banned. No harm was done.

RSGP will never be taken back, as its too hard to transfer it in game (in an orderly and fast fashion)

 

[kfjjjdst]

Chargebacks aren't really a problem as long as you lay down guidelines. I did donations for sythe for around 3 months last year, and only got charged back once. I still had the money (didnt send it to matthew yet) and the person was banned. No harm was done.

RSGP will never be taken back, as its too hard to transfer it in game (in an orderly and fast fashion)

I'm not a paypal expert, so this is also a question. Couldn't something be done where a donator has to state in his/her donation that it is purely for the support of this site and that he/she means this transaction permanent and shall never be charged back. No idea whether paypal would actually believe this or take it into consideration, so just a thought. Idea?