The thread disproves god entirely

Well... most definitions of the two words use "infinity", which would coincide with my original argument. But I know the root omni means "all", so I'll bring up another argument. Lets say, for instance, I tell you that I've seen all Pokemon episodes (so true). It does not include episodes that have yet to be made, yet the statement is still true. So could one not say that some items of knowledge are non-existent? These items of knowledge would no doubt be concerning the future, in terms of this dimension. So, with these items not existing, it is impossible for God to know of them, being essentially random, yet it doesn't mean he doesn't know everything.
Of course, I know there's a fundamental difference between knowledge and tangible things, like Pokemon episodes. The relevant difference being that it is indeed possible to know of thing relating to the future, in terms of this dimension. The simplest example being the choices we make. We make decisions and essentially know the basis of our short-term future, having forged it in mind. Another example is the use of science and mathematics to estimate, with outstanding accuracy, basic related random occurrences. God, being the best scientist and mathematician in existence, could no doubt calculate less basic events with more precise accuracy. So that perhaps could explain how He would know of the events described through revelations in the Bible, but not know how many potato chips we're going to eat tomorrow.

I know. I was referring to the meaning of the word not being any more than what I said. But no matter, it's irrelevant.

Or you're saying you don't fully understand it's merits, but you understand the merits of the medium of thinking that resulted in the assertion(s).

Yeah... and the denial of God usually comes from pride in one's knowledge.
Either way, those people make their beliefs in the wrong way. It's a common perpetual cycle of prosperity and loss where people flip-flop. Meh... fools.

 

Yet if God is infinite, he has infinite intelligence, infinite calculating abilities, etc. All of the circumstances that are supposedly "random" just require vast amounts of processing to determine the outcome. God should have this power, and, having infinite time, should have figured out what will happen long ago.

And, omniscient is not defined as "all-that-has-happened-up-to-now knowing", it is simply defined as "all knowing". All encompassing all of existence, of course, the future included.

Yet what he says makes sense. If no evidence whatsoever points towards God's existence, yet you cannot accept that he doesn't exist, then intellectually, you know that there is no reason for him to exist, but you simply cannot accept this fact. THAT is faith.

If people flip-flop on this issue based upon their financial status, they (in my opinion) are not even worth considering. I wouldn't try to convince them, since their beliefs depend on how life is going for them.

 

Well, then it's apparent why your thoughts don't matter on a universal scale. You're too confident in your thoughts concerning matters you know nothing of.

One could argue that, with a perfect knowledge of the present, one could calculate the future. But the accuracy of such cannot be determined.
Now explain how God "should have this power" while infinity does not entail a completion.

It doesn't help that you don't explain. How is it that you came to the conclusion that the future is, of course, included in the realm of "all" things? If time, and everything related to it, were a constant, it would not exist.

Agreed.
But there is evidence of God's existence (already talked about this -_-). Whether you trust the evidence is irrelevant.

 

Hell is an infinite punishment. Crimes committed on Earth are finite crimes. Tell me how an unlimited punishment is fair retribution for limited crime, please.

If God is ALL-knowing, then he should have this power.

Time is a dimension. If we think of a four dimensional universe, then knowing the future is no more difficult than looking "forward". I would assume that God, creator of everything that the universe contains, is capable of seeing in the higher dimensions.

I should have said evidence that actually means something. Empirical evidence, the sort of evidence that proves or disproves theories.

 

IF god was real, he would know exactly what would happen, before it did, but he didn't chose what people do, their is free will, god can just see where it will lead people.

 

i don't know if anyonw has posted anything similar to this but here it goes.

This is just what i think. Maybe "God" created everything perfect in the begining but eventually something happened along the line that made some things imperfect. And it says that "Satan" is supposedly a fallen angel, so if you think about it "Satan" could of introduced the evil influence upon the universe. Because god supposedly made humans with freewill after that they could have chosen evil over good.

Another the definition of perfect: The state or quality of being or becoming perfect.

^^ If something is perfect it originally had to become perfect, and if something has come to become it can therefor become unperfect.

now if something i said didn't make sense, as in the way i spelled it or the way the sentence was put together, please tell me ill fix it. And if i have messed up on my theory please don't flame just tell me whats wrong with it.

 

If your gonna "disprove" that god exsists the least you can do is write it yourself.

all you did was copy and paste then write "pwnd" at the end.

 

CHRISTIANS AND NON-CHRISTIANS PLEASE READ THIS....

I don't really like term Christian because lots of people have been giving it a bad name. There are some "Christian's" that kill homosexuals. Kill Blacks. And kill other people because of Religeous Difference. I prefer people calling me a BELIEVER IN CHRIST. But that it actually a christian just different wording so I will use the name Christian for this Paragraph. I also don't like the word church either...I use Fellowship instead. But that doesn't matter right now, keep reading.

Just lay down some guidline here. Christianity is NOT a religion. Religion is book of rules that you have to follow to be in a group. Here's an example. Your have to pray 8 times a day. You have to remove your shirt before you enter a holy place...like a church. Your must go to church certain days of the week. You have to repent if you ever done any sins or you'll go to hell. If you don't follow rules like this you are looked down upon or kicked out of the group. Christianity still has rules, we don't have to nesseccarily have to follow them, a good christian will try to become a better christian be doing so but it isn't mandatory.

Christianity is a faith. Faith that someday our lord and saviour will come back to earth and save us and the revelations will begin.

Look if your a christian, you know that anything that it can't be proven that god is real or if he isn't. It doesn't matter. Us Christians don't need to SEE or HEAR Jesus Christ to believe he's real. We have Faith that God/Jesus Christ is real. None christian might not understand this Faith. I don't care. As Christians we shouldn't care about what other people think. (But we're still on here arn't we guys) Even though we shouldn't give a rat's ass about what someone else believes, but we are still here to populate heaven. We still want to try to tell people about our awesome faith.

ShredderBeam to answer your question...Why didn't God find someone else to die on the cross? Jesus died on the cross. Jesus is God. Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God are one. It's kind of hard to explain so ask your local christian preacher or pastor. Anyway, God couldn't let a human take all that punishment on a human. All the world's paint, suffering, illness, every nasty thing you can ever thing of was a burden for Jesus Christ to carry until he died.
And God has the right to do anything you wants dingbat. He's God!
And God isn't saying in christianity "follow me or burn in hell" hes just saying that if you don't believe. You cease existing. Hence what most athiests believe. You are born, you live, and you die and cease existing.

For all non-christians out there if there are and christian Alpha courses out there I would seriously recommend attending one of the those courses. It's pretty much just people basicly explaining what christianity is and what's it is about. There not hard on any people who don't believe at all and won't go to church or anything.

And to anyone who thinks hell is a burning pit where you burn and suffering for eternity, well, simply its not. Its just the absence of God. They just have to decribe it as a horrible place in the bible.

B - Basic
I -Instructions
B -Before
L-Leaving
E -Earth

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You can neglect everything and anything I say here. It's your choice. We are only on the Earth or a short number of years before we pass on for the next generations. What you do over the next 100 years or for however longer you will be on this earth will determine what you'll be doing for the next eternity.
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Thanks for reading this if you have any questions or comments or oyu wanna agree of disagree with something or you wanna argue with me or you send hate mail to me please pm me. I'd love to talk.

Heaven's going to be a huge party! And I wanna see you there!!

 

Yeah, lol I notice for them being atheist they like know the bible back and forth. I think they are copy pasting and maybe a little editing from evilbible.

 

How much more blinded can you be?
1. Confessing your sins is an acceptance of your imperfection to God and to allow him to forgive you, my personnel view on this happens to be that God will always be in your heart and that you do not necessarily need a priest to confess to.
2. Baptism, Communion, Confirmation and Holy Matrimony. Simply common logic is the way to describe these sacraments.
3. Definition of Grace in Christian theology: A state of sanctification by God. Mary the Mother happened to be in this state because she had the honor of being the mother of God and that's why Catholics say Mary full of Grace and that is why we pray to her. Because she was always so close to God.
4. Indulgences are no longer given out, it has been 500 years since their banishment from the Catholic Church.
5. Commandment #8: Keep the Sabbath Holy.
6. Once again Mary in a constant state under God... proving that Grace can only be distributed by God because she is his Mother. And therefore making her the only way to grace.
7. It cannot be put any simpler...
8. As a messenger of God and his official Prophet it is obvious that you must submit to his teachings.

Please stop being so biased and so misinformed.

 

Yes I know you have to confess your sins but to god, you dont need to tell the priest in order to be forgiven. Yes baptism is good I am not arguing it along with communion and other things.

 

This might get off-topic by the way, but it somewhat relates to your quote.

So you don't think anything in this world is "supernatural" or "divine?" Well, I obviously don't believe in ghosts like, haunting people, or invincibility, magics, or anything that is beyond human state. For humans that is...But I believe that there is a godly being out there, and someone with more power out in the heavens. It's like your pet, and the owner. In a way, you're the all-mighty, the powerful and "divine" being towards your pet. They have limited powers, while you have power and strength over them. It makes you the "God" over them. (Alright, not the best example...but I think you get the point)

So, why can't we be like that towards God? Why can't there be a supernatural being that can watch over us, and take care of us? It's not likely that we are with something out there, that is equavilent to our abilities.

In a way, it's true. But as an atheist, you try to believe and force yourself that there is NO God?

 

Bad analogy. Not even going there.

What are you saying? First you say something about a supernatural being then you say that it's not likely that we are with "something out there"...?

I don't know any Atheists that force themselves to believe there is no God. In fact, I would like it if there was a God, but I cannot believe due to lack of evidence.

 

I think they basically just forget about the fact and just argue the fact that there is a god and he is real. Most of the atheist's I know do nothing but try to take a swing at Christianity. I think its because there self esteem and little man syndrome makes them feel small inside so they fight off the only thing that can save them. I am not saying this with holds in all atheist's but for most it does.

Also a question to any atheist. When did you stop believing and why? Dont give me the lame excuse that you got older, or smarter and realised it was joke. A friend of mine openly admits saying that he gave up on god when his mom died. He said that if there was a god he wouldn't have allowed it when he was so little. But i see it as a blessing because she was sick, in pain, and had a mind full of awful memories of her brother raping her.

 

I think they basically just forget about the fact and just argue the fact that there is a god and he is real. Most of the atheist's I know do nothing but try to take a swing at Christianity. I think its because there self esteem and little man syndrome makes them feel small inside so they fight off the only thing that can save them. I am not saying this with holds in all atheist's but for most it does.

Also a question to any atheist. When did you stop believing and why? Dont give me the lame excuse that you got older, or smarter and realised it was joke. A friend of mine openly admits saying that he gave up on god when his mom died. He said that if there was a god he wouldn't have allowed it when he was so little. But i see it as a blessing because she was sick, in pain, and had a mind full of awful memories of her brother raping her.

 

Something that is equal to our abilities. Ugh, it's hard to explain without going to another topic. I just don't want to go to another point. But, I mean, in our lives, there's bound to be something out there, that is superior to your abilities.

Why not use faith? If you tried becoming a believer, these things might become real, and you could "experience" God.

 

Feel free. If it has to do with the existence of a God, then post it.

Faith. Meh.

I'm not going to believe something simply because I want it to be true. That would be called delusion. Sure I want to somehow have 5k posts on here, but believing that I do will not change the fact that I don't.

 

Alright. It's going to be quite rusty, and short, since I g2g soon. Bear with me.

So, as an atheist...what do you think is in the world? Just us humans creating our own lives...just doing things on our own? You don't believe that there's a God out there, organizing things, and creating all these scenarios? Just a question to start an answer up.

Lol? What?

Edit: Forgot to read the bottom.


@ the faith.

Want it to be true? Hm, christians don't want it to be true, they "know" it's true. That's why they actually believe in God.

"I have faith that you can do this."
"I believe that you can do this."
"I know you can do this."

Those are quite close, aren't they?

 

No, You have to be willing to let god intervene. Some times people get hard headed and don't see how god was there the whole time. Like they take things for granted that should never have happened but they did. Such as some one has a near death experience and they were like 1 in a billion to get lucky enough to survive. Now idk about you but I think some one up there is watching out for them. And its funny how allot of things lead up to the right way and people shut there eyes and go any way they want denying that anything happened.
They reason I bring up these kinda topics instead of trying to prove how god is real is because its not working for you. If you want I'll try to look up stories or something lol sense idk what else to do to convince you.

 

That question should answer itself since you did in fact preface it with "So, as an atheist...".

No Not at all.

Having faith that you can do something has no correlation on whether or it is possible for you to do it. Believing that you can do something is close to faith. Knowing that you can do something entails that the scientific process has been invoked consciously or subconsciously, meaning that you have gathered evidence and came to the logical conclusion that you're hypothesis is true. Faith=believing without evidence. Knowing=believing with evidence. Complete opposites.

I have seen that happen. I have also seen people who should have in every possible situation survived, die. Was this God watching out for them too? People live and people die. That's just the way it is.

I have heard these "stories", and none seem convincing at all. You know why? Because they are stories. Nice stuff to hear. Nice things people want to be true, so they believe it.