The rule against discussing bans in the feedback section...

First off, you don't have to be such a dick.

Second, obviously people are going to want to talk about it, we know we can't do much else.

 

Gohan that's the way it works become a mod and be a dick honestly i don't know SMR don't care to know what he has contributed to the site but his modship was purely based off his previous actions which is bullshit and his reasoning is ridiculous if they are handing modship to jackasses where can i apply?

Being a mod is about having power and stretching your epeen or signing up to make sure the community is clenan and average users are happy?

 

Take it easy. All I said was that we don't want community discussion on bans.

For one, as I said above, we don't really consider it, so you would waste your time posting, and second, it creates arguments and leads to flaming, and causes anti-staff sentiment. Sort of like what happens when I assert that this is a private forum and that our decisions tend to hold regardless of feedback.

 

Why can't we have community discussions on bans? Don't we deserve to know what happened, and the whole story at that?

 

What if, due to privacy concerns, we don't want to share why?

 

We aren't expecting staff to tell us about every ban. I understand some can be private, but for the most part they should be able to tell us a ban reason in most cases.

 

Why do you want to know what happened and the whole story? It's nothing but to satisfy the human need to know and process schemas. It merely creates drama and nothing else. Post in "Where did xxxxx go" thread and you will find your answer without any e-drama.

 

That's already what it's for, I know that.

 

Back when I was an admin, I was very open about major bans. Case and point: http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=338102

If we don't want to share why someone was banned for whatever reason, we are entitled to not share that information.

 

I mean you don't have to make a thread for a specific person, just have a Mod come and occasionally answer on the "Where did person go" thread.

 

We answer there quite often......

 

Right. Then what are we arguing about >.>

 

Oh sorry Gohan, thought you were implying were never in there. 2 of the top 4 posters in that thread are mods.

 

I was just replying to SMR xD

 

I would like to know if i was the only user infracted here just because someone is a mod does not exclude them from the rules fireZ i was on-topic

 

Okay , let me answer this. Person A is a friend of mine on MSN we talk a lot. Person B get's banned for DDoSing and key logging. Person A starts to talk to Person B after his ban. Person B sends him a link and person B gets a key logger/RAT as most people aren't sketchy about clicking links from friends.

All of this could have been changed if player A knew what the ban was for.

 

Not in the slightest. Back when we used the AWS instead of the infraction system, people didn't trade with anyone who had ANY warnings, and warnings were given for things like double posting and whatnot. If someone is banned for any reason, who would trade with or accept files from them?

 

Same thing basically applies for bans. Allowing people to see the reason, if only for high profile cases would help greatly.

It is becoming less and less true. Ban reasons are kept secret and people are not even allowed to talk about it, anywhere. They want to know whats going on and it causes unneeded friction when it is not allowed.

Censorship is essentially what not allowing discussion of bans is. People resent censorship much more than they will resent the staff's decision about a ban. Well moderated community discussions about bans can be done if some effort is put into it. Most of the bans that are discussed are about high-profile cases, or about cases that involve ban reasons that are questionable. In these cases, the staff can not honestly say that they know they are right and have decided on the perfect action. User ideas can be used to shape the staffs thinking to allow them to see other points of view or other methods of dealing with the situation. Now, this would obviously not happen all the time as for the most part, staff are fairly good with bans. But there are still many bans that are completely bullshit from the users perspective and these people should be allowed to question the staff, even if just for an explanation.

Now, sometimes there may be a ban that the staff wishes to remain private, meaning that the reason and the evidence remains behind closed doors. However, this will rarely happen. The person who is banned in these cases will demand to see the evidence and such and almost defiantly post a dispute. All disputes are public and thus all bans are public. If someone believes that their ban is given in error, they will redoubtably dispute it, making it public and not private. Controversial and high-profile bans, based on the above, will almost always be disputed, putting them in the public eye, making them public business, and allowing the users to be able to see what is going on.

 

We're not going to allow discussion of bans here.