The Philosophical Thread. Expand your Intelligence.

[Gekkostate]

Listen, I'm not trying to propose this as a valid experiment. Are you capable of concieving of the idea of a hypothetical scenario? Disregarding such practical matters as energy storage, inertia, etc., please consider the scenario as it is intended to be considered.

Why propose anything at all then if you're not actually serious about it, as said before ANYONE can come up with a bullshit Scenario and it seems all of your proposals on how you could time travel, when all added together=Null and void because they are completely not linked together even though you said they would 'help' with travelling at near-light speeds when simply, they cannot. And ROFL of course the Atomic clocks were travelling at different speeds, hence the Airplane? or jet or w.e was there...hahahaha omg that sure would take genius to figure out. A stationary object and an object on an airplane moving are travelling at different speeds?! no way that's not possible

 

[Shredderbeam]

Why propose anything at all then if you're not actually serious about it

Ever hear of a hypothetical scenario?

as said before ANYONE can come up with a bullshit Scenario and it seems all of your proposals on how you could time travel, when all added together=Null and void because they are completely not linked together even though you said they would 'help' with travelling at near-light speeds when simply, they cannot.

Guess what? I came up with one.

And ROFL of course the Atomic clocks were travelling at different speeds, hence the Airplane? or jet or w.e was there...hahahaha omg that sure would take genius to figure out. A stationary object and an object on an airplane moving are travelling at different speeds?! no way that's not possible

You seem to have misread my post. I stated that the only DIFFERENCE between the clocks was the difference that they were moving at.

 

[The Supreme Intelligence]

Shredder, hypothetical situations don't exist in philosophical matters.

And just for the record, clocks don't move at different speeds in relation to how fast a motorvehicle is moving... However,

 

[Shredderbeam]

Shredder, hypothetical situations don't exist in philosophical matters.

They do, though. Philosophy is generally considered as abstract thought, and sometimes, one needs a hypothetical situation to make things clearer. Take the person who believes in guardian angels, and that if they say a certain prayer, they will be safe all day. You can propose to them a hypothetical scenario: If a sniper shoots at them, and they had not said the prayer, would the bullet hit? Does the angel physically come into the universe and nudge the bullet aside? How?

You see?

And just for the record, clocks don't move at different speeds in relation to how fast a motorvehicle is moving... However,

With relation to gravity and speed, clocks keep track of time at different rates. If you, from a safe distance, were to witness me falling into a black hole, you'd see me fall slower and slower, and see me fade away as the wavelength of light reflecting from me stretched past red and into infinity.

Hey, look. Another hypothetical situation.

 

[/\/\OO please.]

I believe that time doesn't exist.

I cannot explain HOW things get old, and how we aren't frozen since there is no time, I just believe that time is just a chart humans made for themselves.

 

[Shredderbeam]

I believe that time doesn't exist.

I cannot explain HOW things get old, and how we aren't frozen since there is no time, I just believe that time is just a chart humans made for themselves.

It doesn't exist as an inherent property of the universe, true. That Newtonian view is wrong. However, it does exist as a dimension.

 

[The Supreme Intelligence]

Actually you're wrong shredderbeam. If I was to witness you "fall" into a black hole, I would never actually see you go anywhere past the horizon. From my point of view, I would see you at the horizon, and I could continue looking at you forever waiting for you to disappear, but you wouldn't. This is simply because light cannot escape from the singularity, therefore the picture never "updates", to say.

And philosophy exists to CLEAR OUT any abstract idea, and reform it into a concrete one. It is there so that there is nothing unexplained. the unexplained is the abstract...

 

[Shredderbeam]

Actually you're wrong shredderbeam. If I was to witness you "fall" into a black hole, I would never actually see you go anywhere past the horizon. From my point of view, I would see you at the horizon, and I could continue looking at you forever waiting for you to disappear, but you wouldn't. This is simply because light cannot escape from the singularity, therefore the picture never "updates", to say.

Yes, I know that. I would slow until I hit the event horizon, but since my wavelengths of light would be stretched out into infinity, you would be incapable of seeing me.

And philosophy exists to CLEAR OUT any abstract idea, and reform it into a concrete one. It is there so that there is nothing unexplained. the unexplained is the abstract...

You could say that, but that would be in the case of the average person, who cannot grasp every abstract idea.

 

[The Supreme Intelligence]

Usually average people don't entertain themselves by studying philosophy.

 

[Shredderbeam]

True, average people don't study philosophy, but they sometimes have abstract thoughts. For example, one of my roommates recently proposed to me "What if what I call green is really what you call red?"

But, since average people don't study philosophy, you can philosophize in abstract terms, and still have other philosophers understand you (provided you supply clarification, etc.).

 

[Gekkostate]

You seem to have misread my post. I stated that the only DIFFERENCE between the clocks was the difference that they were moving at.

So cannot the word 'Moving' also correspond with the word 'Speed'? i'm pretty sure they can, you're just using different forms of a similar word to make it seem as you are right, anything that involves moving surely involves speed -.-, thus i did not misread anything

 

[Shredderbeam]

So cannot the word 'Moving' also correspond with the word 'Speed'? i'm pretty sure they can, you're just using different forms of a similar word to make it seem as you are right, anything that involves moving surely involves speed -.-, thus i did not misread anything

Well, if you're moving, you're going to be doing so at a certain speed, so yes, they can.

When you said that the clocks were travelling at different speeds, I thought that you thought that that was my only conclusion. My conclusion had been that since they are moving at different speeds, their times vary.

 

[/\/\OO please.]

True, average people don't study For example, one of my roommates recently proposed to me "What if what I call green is really what you call red?"

I also have thought that, I have found an article about this idea, where it proved that we all see the same red, I'll try to find it again.

Anyways - If time is the 4th dimension (sp) and we can alter the other 3, I believe that we can also alter time therefore 'travel' back , and forward in time.

edit: nevermind thats irrelevant my thinking way was off

 

[the_wippit]

I've heard of that, yet I have yet to see any conclusive proof that it actually happened.

i have yet to see any conclusive evidence that you not figment of my imagination, but some things are just excepted becuase they were proposed by people who specialize in those feilds

 

[Shredderbeam]

i have yet to see any conclusive evidence that you not figment of my imagination, but some things are just excepted becuase they were proposed by people who specialize in those feilds

The Eldridge remains a conspiracy theory. Most people who specialize in those fields dismiss it as such.

 

[highstandards10]

Time travel to me seems impossible.A quote i often use from stephen hawkin's book "a brief history of time", states, "we measure time in the direction disorder increases", if this is true, then in order to go back in time, you must increase order in the universe, which is impossible.Some say gravity holds time in its essence, but you must look at what time realy is. When you get sucked into a black hole, does the direction in which disorder in the universe increases change?The answer is probably not.

According to your logic then it would be possible to travel forward in time as has been suggested by others on this thread? Because as it may be impossible to increase the order of the universe, but I am fairly certain you wouldn't have to do much to increase the disorder of the universe. Although, its much more likely that I'm way off on this and if thats the case then just forget everything I just said.

 

[The Z]

wow. this thread has been turned into quite the debate.BTW philosophy can consist of hypothetical scenarios thats actually very common in philosophy.

 

[DeanIs#1]

My philosophy:

I think, therefore, I am non-existent.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Why does thinking imply non-existence?

 

[The Supreme Intelligence]

My philosophy about Dean:

He's stupid, therefore, he should get off this thread.

The Z, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Philosophy exists so that there is always an answer for every question, so that there would be no abstract ideas or concepts. Therefore it would be inaccurate to say that philosophy can talk about something that can't happen, such as a hypothetical scenario.