The hypocracy of democracy.

I agree, it can.

 

freedom:

a : the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action

even our own body is a constraint on our choices and actions.

are you saying that governments will get to the point where they find ways to allow people to do whatever they wish free from coercion, constraints, and necessity?

they cannot, because to be completely free is to also violate the laws of physics, because physics is too a constraint limiting our freedom.





also, i noticed you misinterpreted my post.
even if we had no government, we would not be free for the reasons stated above.

 

Read it again pay attention to the ,
This isnt a debate about natural constraints, this is a debate about forced coercion.

 

refresh your page and do not misquote me on purpose or else i will report you.

 

you are the one splitting hairs about us not having complete freedom.

and also, you cannot have a proper debate while purposefully disregarding complete and correct definitions for words you base your claims on.

 

I am a no government advocate, i dont believe we need a government, i believe the freedom and the advancement of the human race is held back by governments, do you understand now?

 

You do realized the united states isn't a democracy? It's a republic. It's in the damn Pledge of Allegiance.

Also, nobody is forcing you to do anything. If you want to stop being a citizen nobody is stoping you.

 

Grats on assuming i am an american.
To the actually relevant part of your post, completely untrue, because the government claims to own the ground under your feet and if you live within the invisible lines they decided to call states, you are considered part of the citizenship.

 

*cough*
illegal immigrants
*cough*
person on vacation
*cough*






ps.
i know i said i would disregard your posts but i just had reply to this one.

 

A person on vacation doesnt live in america, illegal immigrants are deported for exactly this reason, however in both cases you are still bound to the laws of the state, hence not free.

 

Since the op sounds like it could be about america, and you talk about america a few times on the second page I thought it was a pretty safe assumption. What country are you referring too?

And the government is forcing you to live in the land that they claim to be theres amiright? Nothing is stopping you from going out and claiming your own land, hell nothing is stopping you from declaring the land you live on to be your own and no longer part of the country.

 

There is no unclaimed land.
You try to tell the united states government that you have claimed a chunk of land and that you are going to seccede from its citizenship, taxes and laws.
Let me know how that works out for you buddy.
Thats the entire point, the governments of the world have taken by force something that belongs to no one and claim it as their own, your options are:
A: suck it up.
B: die.

 

Well you must be blind towards the numerous wars, stupendous disease rates, poverty rate, crime rates and numerous other statistics around the world.

Let's take a stroll in some of America's projects.

Things could ALWAYS be worst, does that mean we allow it to stay as it is? You've just gotten robbed for your life savings and your teeth punched down your throat, but things could always be worst...right? Your logic is seriously flawed with no backing. You're seriously deluded to think a revolution won't change anything. Traditional sitting on lawns picketing probably won't help but real activism will definitely stir the tide.

They DON'T know what they're doing, have you seen the huge economic crisis?

 

Oh they know what they are doing, helping the bankers become rich beyond their wildest dreams.

 

PLEASE enlighten on me on what you would do. Because this is basically all im getting from you. You expect the American government to dissolve simply because you feel that you aren't free enough.

Comparing slavery to government? Are you daft? The government allows you to be educated, for the "poor" to be able to buy food. Public parks and public centers only exist because the government makes it so. Most peoples lives would crumble if there was no goverment.

There would be no teachers, police officers, firefighters or paramedics.

What do you want? besides freedom elaborate on what you would do with this freedom.

 

We're not discussing what the alternatives are. Is it right or wrong? That's all that matters in this debate.

I'm not just comparing it, I'm calling it slavery.

These things exist at the expensive of others. Yes public parks and convention centers are nice things, but you can go build them on your own with your own money, or donations from others voluntarily. But what if I don't want to pay for this convention center (under a hierarchy)? Well too bad, the government is taking your money from you at gun point and making you pay for it anyways. That's certainly not freedom.

You think because the money isn't robbed from others things will cease to exist? Ever heard of private schools? Ever heard of volunteer firefighters? Ever heard of community watch? Most large communities/neighborhoods have private police. Pharmaceuticals is the most profitable business in the world, you won't have to worry about hospitals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism

anarchy is simply the freedom of choice.

 

I am not american, though america is one government that causes more harm then good.
Every thing you mentioned can exist without a government, and it will cost a lot less.

 

Looks like someone just watched Fight Club for the first time hurpa durp.

You don't get anarchy as an option (ie no structured government) because it's flawed and would fail-

No government =
people want safety from lawlessness =
packs with leaders are formed =
packs turn into 'government-like' hierarchies with government-esque laws =
primitive government is born =
people want a more concrete form of this new found protection =
people elect officials =
true government is spawned

tl;dr Anarchy = Government

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPiU69WX30M

 

Governments are just as corrupt as the systems they sprung up to protect you from.
In order to stop you being robbed we are going to rob you.