The Golden Compass

[Dorito]

The Golden Compass as many of you probably know is out this Christmas season in theatres.

The movie is based on the trilogy called His Dark Materials which is written by Philip Pullman. He is an atheist and his objective is to bash Christianity and promote atheism. The second and third books are The Subtle Knife and The Amber Spyglass.

He despises C.S. Lewis and Narnia and his books tell of the "other side" of the story. He has blantenly stated that he is trying to kill God in the minds of children.

The entire trilogy of his books tell a story of a girl, who becomes enmeshed in an epic struggle against God. In the end of the trilogy there is a boy and a girl who is depicted to be Adam and Eve and they kill God.

The first movie, the Golden Compass is a dumbed down version of his first book. It is to get young children to want to see it and there parents to take them. He is hoping that after seeing the movie, their parents will go out and buy the series of books not knowing the true message of his words.

I posted this because I want to hear other's views on this subject.

Personally, I think it is very wrong, and I for one, won't be going to the movie, or supporting it in any way. The message is very clear, considering in a 2003 interview he said "My books are about killing God" and in 2001 stating he is trying to undermine Christian beliefs.

Post and discuss.

 

[jubjubs5]

That is ridiculous. I didn't see the movie but I heard about it from both at school and from church. Just last sunday my confirmation teacher/administrator told me and my peers not to see it. His books will definitly be banned from school libraries.

 

[The Z]

wow. thats terrible. things like this should not be allowed to be shown in theaters

 

[Shredderbeam]

I didn't boycott any of C.S. Lewis's works for promoting Christianity.

I think it's about time we had a movie that has the potential to move people towards Atheism. I don't particularly find the concept of God to be a very likely one.

 

[Dorito]

I didn't boycott any of C.S. Lewis's works for promoting Christianity.

I think it's about time we had a movie that has the potential to move people towards Atheism. I don't particularly find the concept of God to be a very likely one.

The problem isn't that it's pertaining to atheism. The problem is the way he is doing it. He blatenly said his books and movies are about killing God. He basically dumbed down the movie, in hopes parents would take their children to it, since the worse parts were either removed or toned down a lot, parents would think it was fine and buy their children the books not knowing what they were actually about.

His series isn't merely talking about atheism, it's about bashing Christianity and trying to undermine the Christian faith, he stated that clearly himself.

If an author can come out and say that, and no one thinks anything of it, I seriously think our world needs to change.

 

[WhereIsTheGod]

I doubt children will lose faith because of that movie.

They'll lose faith when they get older and find out that it's all been a big lie.

(Not this movie won't hurt.)

 

[Dorito]

I doubt children will lose faith because of that movie.

They'll lose faith when they get older and find out that it's all been a big lie.

(Not this movie won't hurt.)

You obviously don't get the point I'm making.

 

[Shredderbeam]

The problem isn't that it's pertaining to atheism. The problem is the way he is doing it. He blatenly said his books and movies are about killing God. He basically dumbed down the movie, in hopes parents would take their children to it, since the worse parts were either removed or toned down a lot, parents would think it was fine and buy their children the books not knowing what they were actually about.

His series isn't merely talking about atheism, it's about bashing Christianity and trying to undermine the Christian faith, he stated that clearly himself.

If an author can come out and say that, and no one thinks anything of it, I seriously think our world needs to change.

The part where he tries to trick people into buying the book, which contains the real message, is a bit dodgy, yes. However, I don't really see anything wrong with the plot of the books, from what I've heard. Of course, I haven't actually read them, so I can't say too much on the subject.

 

[WhereIsTheGod]

You obviously don't get the point I'm making.

I think I got it. What was your intended point?

 

[Dorito]

I think I got it. What was your intended point?

Read everything I have posted, then you tell me.

 

[WhereIsTheGod]

Read everything I have posted, then you tell me.

Yes, about him bashing Christianity and marketing that to little kids.

I don't see anything objectionable with that.

 

[x⁹]

I didn't boycott any of C.S. Lewis's works for promoting Christianity.

I think it's about time we had a movie that has the potential to move people towards Atheism. I don't particularly find the concept of God to be a very likely one.

C.S. Lewis' books didn't promote Christianity. They had subtle Christian themes, but they didn't promote Christianity in the way The Golden Compass promotes Atheism.

And the books don't just 'bash' Christianity. It's much worse than that, imho. I just heard a quote from either the second or third book that basically says "If there's a war and 'the church' is on one side, then everyone good is on the other". Note that the evil society in the series is known as 'the church' in the books, but in the movie is called 'the magestarium' (basically latin for 'Church').

This is like making a film about a good and noble society that happens to be called the Ku Klux Klan which must destroy mud-people who just happen to be called 'niggers'.

 

[WhereIsTheGod]

C.S. Lewis' books didn't promote Christianity. They had subtle Christian themes, but they didn't promote Christianity in the way The Golden Compass promotes Atheism.

And the books don't just 'bash' Christianity. It's much worse than that, imho. I just heard a quote from either the second or third book that basically says "If there's a war and 'the church' is on one side, then everyone good is on the other". Note that the evil society in the series is known as 'the church' in the books, but in the movie is called 'the magestarium' (basically latin for 'Church').

This is like making a film about a good and noble society that happens to be called the Ku Klux Klan which must destroy mud-people who just happen to be called 'niggers'.

I always thought that the KKK was somehow connected with the church.

With the burning crosses... and such.

 

[Dorito]

WhereIsTheGod, he was making an analogy.

Also thank you x9 for going into it a bit more and explaining it better.

I would have no problem with The Golden Compass, more so the series it's based on if it promoted atheism like Narnia promoted Christianity. The fact is, it doesn't, they can't even be compared.

The Dark Trilogy, the series it is based on are all about finding a way to kill God, and that's how the series ends. It isn't purely showing some of atheism, it is about going far past bashing and is very offensive to me, and many others.

There was one quote from a British journalist who wrote that went along the lines of "If atheists prayed, Philip Pullman would be their saint".

Even though the series is about killing God, saying that the Church is the almighty evil, and all the lies about it. The one that that disturbs me the most is how he is DELIBERATELY dumbing it down. Just so parents will like it and buy it for their children when they have no idea what the real message and true intentions of his books are.

If an author can come out and say "My books are about killing God in the minds of children", and you see nothing wrong with that, than I really don't know what our world is turning in to.

If you haven't read it, I suggest you do, or at least read an overview of it, because trust me, after you read an overview, you won't want to read the actual books. Some of the things in it are simply disturbing, there are no other words to describe it.

 

[the_wippit]

wow finally, i was gona post this same thread but i decided sythe would care less, i agree with you 100% but i feel more threatened becuase although it attacks Christan's it is targeted at catholics and im the book the evil organization with the god is the catholic church, but in the movie they call it the Magisterium, for those of you who done know the Magisterium is the teaching body of the catholic church. In th book (and maybe the movie too im not sure haven't seen it) they are part where a nun throws her cross on the ground and stomps on it, and also where they show a nun being unfaithful to her vows and desiring a man. also through the movie children have partners, which are called deamons and help them on there way, on there website they encourage your child to find his own personal demon, now thats just scary if you ask me

 

[Varda]

This is very interesting.

Just today i was browsing through a book catolouge. On the front cover was the 'The Golden Compass'. This is what the text read..
"Kids 12+
All three books of this modern masterpiece, acclaimed by both adults and children. This amazing series is a thrilling story of courage and humanity - read the book before you see the film."

On the Cover of the book was a still from the movie.

Maybe they have a Movie version of the book aswell?

Odd..

 

[TDD]

So it's perfectly alright for christianity to be forced down our throats in everyday life, but it's not ok for one person to do the opposite?

bias.

 

[jaamal]

If he is forcing atheism down your throat, just don't watch the movie. I understand that it somewhat angers you to see atheism marketed in a way to lure people to watch films about killing god, but truthfully christianity is marketed as well, you can buy children forms of bibles. Also bibles that are broken down and in numerous translation and different meanings, there are thousands of songs, books, shows, and movies that are all religion based and used to move people towards christianity... Last there television channels broadcasting only church sermons and bible songs. Yet I don't complain, I just don't watch it...

This is extremely bias!!!

 

[Gekkostate]

I agree with many points shown here so far about how Christianity is exercised and marketed to the utmost extents on a daily basis but as soon as someone ont he opposite side of the spectrum comes along people are just like WTF THAT'S SO WRONG, i mean come on seriously you're talking about biases and how faiths are being stomped on when you yourself can't even bring yourself to gather another perspective by watching the movie, bias much? At least he had the will power and determination to put his ideas up front for everyone in the world to criticize and that takes something most people will never obtain

 

[OnceUponATimeInMexico]

I agree with many points shown here so far about how Christianity is exercised and marketed to the utmost extents on a daily basis but as soon as someone ont he opposite side of the spectrum comes along people are just like WTF THAT'S SO WRONG, i mean come on seriously you're talking about biases and how faiths are being stomped on when you yourself can't even bring yourself to gather another perspective by watching the movie, bias much? At least he had the will power and determination to put his ideas up front for everyone in the world to criticize and that takes something most people will never obtain

I agree with everything you say there.