The Existence of God

Nothing. You wouldn't exist anymore. Your mind would cease to operate upon death.

 

I believe in God and there is no reason for me not too. Yeah scientists have their "theories" but they are called theories for a reason.

 

so you wouldnt think about anything see anything nothing! i disagree i strongly believe there is a heaven i mean i think thats more resnoble because theres prophets visions by people and more evidence talking to shredderbeam

 

These prophets claim that they have seen visions. You have no way of telling whether or not they are telling the truth, or if they are completely mistaken.

Why do you believe in God?

 

Yes, we do have a way of finding out if they are mistaken. Prophets from thousands of years ago have written prophecies(spelling?) in journals and have been found to be true.

 

yea great arguement shredderbeam i can say that about anything to you dont need proof the bible is my proof wich yes i know what your going to say the bible can be written by anyone yes yes i know but still for some people thats enough unlike you oh and also prophets from a very long time ago and turn out to be true so i disagree oh dustein just wrote that sorry whatever

 

There are a few things you must establish first:

1). Has anybody tampered with the prophecy?
2). Is the prophecy in clear and unambiguous terms?
3). What is their "hit ratio" (percentage of prophecies fulfilled)?
4). Did those who fulfilled the prophecy have access to it?

"How do we know that God exists? The Bible says so. How do we know that the Bible is accurate? God wrote it."

Circular logic.

 

Shredder I respect the fact that you don't believe, but I really don't know why you are going around trying to prove everyone wrong. This thread was created as a simple question"Do you believe in God"? Not "Say what you believe in and then try to prove every last comment that the opposing side says wrong". Once again I respect what you believe in but I don't think you should be trying to tell others that they are wrong.

 

This is the debate forum. Thanks.

 

well whatever i have enough belief i dont need all that proof theres so many things people believe in that could be made up ufos bigfoot loc ness and other things but people still believe in them and the proof could be made up to same goes for god but people choose one way or the other end of story

 

No, not end of story. We're talking about God. Not about Bigfoot, not about the Loch Ness Monster, God. Why do you believe in a God without proof?

 

Answer is, by law of association.

The world is a miraculous place. The probability of our existance according to science is a chance of one in billions. Therefore, from their point of view, our survival isn't chance.

Faith doesn't need proof. I don't have a Faith for Christianity, as it is a truly man-made religoin (there are no claims that Jesus or God wrote the bible) and therefore is just as humanly corruptable. Either way, proofless faith isn't any more irrational than choosing not to have a explanation.

 

you dont need proof for everything im telling you and those were examples i just believe because you just know and you here these stories and you believe without proof

 

Are you referring to the fact that the Earth is nearly perfect?

Not knowing is honest. One can examine a problem, and admit that one does not know the solution to it. Faith, on the other hand, is belief desipte the absence of evidence, or in contradiction to evidence. It does not stop at neutrality, at ignorance, it presses onto an arbitrary conclusion.

 

In a rational world, you need proof to believe anything.
If not you are ignorant and irrational.

 

How do you "just know"?

 

do you know how many people believe in god they just know i have alot of people on my side

 

The number of people who believe in something has no bearing on its claim to the truth.

How do you "just know"?

 

The majority isn't always right.

 

Not perfect, but I can understand why science, which says we are a spin off from the sun and molten rock... seems lacking of a so-called divine plan.

I agree with you on circular logic. I was lectured that I could not feel true friendship or love without believing in God. That's why I remain largely anti-Christian in beliefs but open to the idea of a divine being. Also, by power of association. If you assume God is real, therefore everything good that happens to you is a direct result of God you get a reassurance of both his existence and benefit to believe. Huge circle.

It's also painful. Choosing between having everything thought out for you (possible ignorance), and being "honest"... well. It's a debateable topic.

Rationally speaking, a hypothesis needs to be both provable AND disprovable. Since you can't do either, both the hypothesis and counterhypothesis are invalid - this doesn't make YOU any less susceptible. Atheists have a tendency to believe that the lack of belief is neutral position; however, since there is only a "yes, I beleive" and a "no I don't", it's not truly neutral, at least from the "faithful" point of view.