The Existence of God

Mhm, thats why when i do have kids, i will not be pushing anything upon them. If they would like to go to church and believe the bullshit to make they're lives "better" then i shall let them. But, i will not ever change my mind until i either have one of the following things happen to me :

I get hit by a ice cream truck, whilst im in an air plane.
A deer with wings, flys and hits my car whilst im driving.
God comes down, meets me in my house, and shows me his "powers"

 

God is said to have given everyone control of their actions, he will not interfere with life on this planet, but to only test his most loyal subjects-Quoted from a priest in Sunday Church.
There are over 6 BILLION people who believe in religion, 1Billion Scientology's, Atheists, etc.

I was quoted >_>
There are Bible's dated back in museums from hundreds of years ago, one I think from 1 thousand years ago, NO ALTERATION. SCIENCE DATED IT .......

Shedded a tear? I could give 2 shits about this argument. I am here and I posted before, (Or did you not read again?) I am only here to be better at debate and learn many things. Turning water into whine isn't magical it is showing he has miracles, not just to heal, and besides, magic is something everyone can do, there are many different historical sources saying this. Although Darren brought up a very interesting point which was that Jesus is Arabic, and I am still looking for that.

Why? I can chose to go atheist any time, I know as much about religion as some of you here.. I chose not to, I am at the age where I can understand this stuff.. My parents have never pushed me into a religion. One is Catholic, one is Muslim, they just want me to believe and if I don't it's none of their concerns. Also, your avatar is freaky

 

Isnt that a contridiction? he planned everything that we would do, where is the control in that? how can we be tested? all we are doing is what god has planned us to do, thefore we have no control over our life.

ever played chinese wispers?

Im talking about real magic, like magical flying unicorns, not magic tricks. tho turning wine into water is just a simple ilusion. but you say god can defy the laws of physics, as he can do everything? sounds like fantasy land.
and if you want to debate, find a subject that is debatable, you cannot prove that something with no evidence exists, you have no arguement.

 

Hell doesn't exist, and the world isn't a trial.

It's only possible for people to know about their own beliefs?

I'd like to take a look at it.

For something to be logically impossible, there must be an inherent logical contradiction. Mormonism contains none.

I, too, have seen this episode. I found it delightfully funny.

Your only argument is basically that Mormonism sounds ridiculous.

There have been several alterations within the first 300 years, actually, which was when the Bible was written.

 

Well, that's an opinion or a fact to an atheist, to religious people, it does, which is 6Billion people. 6 Billion ignorant people?

I was not basing it off of this AT ALL, I have been "Rewarded (>_>)" Many books of mormon and a Biography of Joseph Smith. It all says pretty much the same thing. I didn't want to write a 700 Page paper, so I just said if you have seen it, which most have. I would never get my facts from South Park.

I said 1000 years ago, and that was 1000 years AFTER the bible was written. Also, maybe they made the alterations then, I had no idea of this.. Anyways, all I am doing is believing, if I am wrong, big whoop, wasted 10 hours arguing a point on a forum. If I am right, heaven awaits. (maybe not :s)

 

jesse, i thought you should read this, its from www.godisimaginary.com

If you are a Christian, then Jesus promises that your soul will have everlasting life. In John 3:16 the Bible says: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." All that you have to do is believe in Jesus and your soul gets to go to heaven.

But have you ever really thought about your soul? Have you ever thought about how the afterlife would work? Which life forms get an afterlife and which do not?

Start with a bacterium. Does it have a soul and does it get an afterlife? A bacterium is a cell membrane filled with a variety of molecules. These molecules react together in different ways to create what we call life. Although all of these molecules are reacting in fascinating, interlocking ways, they are still nothing more than chemicals reacting. The "miracle of life" is no miracle -- it is a big chemical reaction. When those reactions stop, the cell is dead.

Now here is the question: When the bacterium dies, does it get an afterlife?

There are not many people in the United States who believe that bacteria go to heaven. The Bible does not talk about heaven being filled with all the disease, putrefaction and pestilence that bacteria cause. And what, exactly, would go to heaven? Do all of the bacterium's molecules get transported to another dimension so that they can keep reacting? If that were happening, there would be thousands of tons of chemicals leaving earth every day. Clearly there is no afterlife for bacteria cells.

What about mosquitoes? A mosquito is much more complex than a bacterium cell. For one thing, a mosquito is a multi-cellular insect with amazing capabilities. But if you look at each cell in a mosquito, it is very much like a bacterium in its basic functioning.

Do mosquitoes get an afterlife? Clearly not. Think of how many mosquitoes have lived and died over the course of millions of years. No one imagines heaven being full of septillions of everlasting mosquitoes. There is also the problem that we saw with bacteria -- the only way for a mosquito to go to heaven would be to somehow transport all the chemicals in a mosquito from earth to heaven.

So what about humans?

The human body is nothing but a set of chemical reactions. The chemical reactions powering a human life are no different from the reactions powering the life of a bacterium, a mosquito, a mouse, a dog or a chimp. When a human being dies, the chemical reactions stop. There is no "soul" mixed in with the chemicals, just like there is no soul in a bacterium, a mosquito, a mouse, a dog or a chimp. Why would there be an afterlife for the chemicals that make up a human body?

The whole notion of your "soul" is completely imaginary. The concept of a "soul" has been invented by religion because many people have trouble facing their own mortality. It makes people feel better, but the concept is a complete fabrication.

It is when you think about the chemical reactions powering your life and your brain that you realize how completely imaginary your "soul" truly is. And at that point, everything about religion comes unraveled.

Christians will rationalize the concept of the soul by saying that the soul is a magical element that has nothing to do with cell chemistry. God divinely "instills the soul in each of us." According to believers, the soul is of another dimension and therefore is beyond science.

Whenever you hear people talking about "magic" and "other dimensions", it is a clear marker for delusion. It is as simple as that. The soul is a completely imaginary concept, as is God.

 

Not quite. The earth's population is around 6.6 billion, and a conservative estimate for the nonreligious population of the world is about 16% (link). That means that only about 5.5 billion are religious, and if you take out the Buddhists, who don't believe in a God, about 5.1 billion people in the world believe in a God. It is a large number, true, but even if there are 5 billion people who believe in some kind of deity, none of them can agree with each other on what its nature is. Maybe if the whole religious population of the world shared the same idea of what God was like, then the number who believed it would matter somewhat. If the whole population of New York City thought they saw something in the sky one clear sunny day, but couldn't agree on if it was a whale mating with King Kong, a pink unicorn, or a giant watermelon shaped like Mel Gibson's ass, then would it really matter how many of them had these hallucinations? I think not.

The Bible has been altered so many times that if you read the original manuscripts, you probably wouldn't recognize them.

 

It's a bit funny, but I have seen no empirical evidence to support your claim of this. My only logical recourse is to assume that you are mistaken.

I am going to agree with you that Mormonism sounds a bit ridiculous, but where is the logical contradiction?

Maybe not:

 

Yes i belive in god.
I do also have a winti culture.
Click here for info
So i have the proof to belive in it.

 

Do you have any empirical evidence to demonstrate that these people who have been "possessed" are telling the truth?

 

I'm a Satanist, so no God. Hail Satan.

I don't know who said this but:
"Some call him Lucifer, others Satan...but me; I call him Father."

 

If Satan exists, then God likely exists. If God exists, then you will burn in hell for worshipping Satan.

Unless you believe in the existence of Satan without God? If so, what empirical evidence do you have for his existence?

 

Agreed. And many of my "Facts" are only for believers which is why you wouldn't understand. I will stop arguing with you because I have no "Empirical Evidence".
Check this site out tell me how much of it is BS.. 99%? 100%? http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop
I think is is 100% BS because it says by 2037 it will be 10449038493.. it changes every time by like 3B >_>

 

"Satanism" is a usually a nom de guerre for a twisted kind of atheism revolving around being self-important.

Sir, I do not know how birth is factored into your religion, but I'm pretty sure people get born.

 

"your facts" how can you call it a fact tho? a fact is something that has been proven, so how have you proven it to yourself?

Well, im not sure what this site has to do with anything. this is just an estimate. A simple formula has been put in this program on the average population growth. And can you tell me, what has this got to do with god being real or not?

 

It gives an estimate of around 10 billion...that's probably not that unreasonable.

You have no empirical evidence? Grand, you basically admit that your beliefs are irrational, then.

 

First of all, there are not 7 billion people living on this planet just yet. Secondly, "religion" is a very loose term to include 6/7 people in it. But not loose enough to include scientology? Its beliefs make just as much since to some people as christianity.

Oh, and athiesm/agnostics are higher than you think and quicky growing. First off, Buddism is not included in these demographics and it is a athiestic religion. Non religous is growing RAPIDLY in educated countries. A 2006 study showded 73% of americans believe in a higher power/god. Go back 100 years and that figure is near 90%. Look into European countries, and you'll see even higher non religious figures. France for example "

 

In the US, the number of non-religious people has more than doubled from 14.3 million in 1990 to 29.4 million in 2001; their proportion has grown from just eight percent of the total in 1990 to over fourteen percent in 2001.

 

And the number of people attending college between 1990 and 2004 rose 31%. coincidence? doubt it

 

I don't even know anymore.. I'm done with this topic >_>
Maybe there isn't.. I mean the number of people that aren't Religious is doubled because people like you convince them otherwise, and who knows maybe you're right.. I lately noticed all the things I "Prayed" For have NOT been coming true all the things that are Obviously gonna happen, might happen sooner.. So I don't even know, It's just there are soo many things, possibly all fake that caused me to believe this, that I get carried into it too much sometimes. My whole goal in this "Debate" was to learn more and I did, so I reached my goal.