The Existence of God

How can you be so quick to say all other gods are BS? you dont even know half the gods that people worship. and seriously, christians make up the most bs i know, have you even read the crap they put in the bible, it contradicts itself in everything it says.

you want to know what bullshit is?

god has a plan for everyones life,

He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death. The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

God has a divine plan for each of us, then he had a divine plan for Hitler too. God would have planned for every abortion.
It is when you stop to think about it deeply that the contradictions hit you.

Also, there would be no piont in praying, as he has already planned your life, so why would he want to change it? why would he cure peoples sickness if he planned for them to get sick?

 

What do you mean? BS? BS that god planned everything? Because, I'm telling you that it's not BS that god planning it all. God have planned everything that will happen to our lives not believing to him, parent's getting divource etc. I will Point out: "there would be no point in praying" I know God planned it all for us but praying is just 1 thing of talking to him and communicating to him, I know when you pray nobody answers ( respond to you ) but the actual thing is he do and always does, he answers every questions you ask but he will do it in different Events that WILL take some time, He answers on your wishes little by little and still takes time. Like you said he planned it all so your only doing WHAT HE PLANS YOU DOING,when you pray it means that he plan it that you will pray at this very EXACT time? Answers will be there on the right time as he PLANNED it.

 

EDIT o not want my soul to burn !

 

Did you even read what i said? Ok, lets say god did plan everything. so your saying god planned 9/11? planned for hitler to murder thousands of people? planned for people to have abortions, planned for all the evil things that have happened? what sort of god is this? This god has a sick twisted sense of humour if he gets off from this.

And for prayer, he doesnt answer you, its called coincidence. you ask for $1000 right? a few weeks/months later you might get your tax back of over $1000. you would think god did it right? Why doesnt god help amputies, im sure there are plenty that pray to have there arm or leg back, not one has he answered.

If god does plan life, i think he is a sick fuck. why wouldnt he make the earth a better place, why does god hate third world countries, why would he have planned for thousands of kids to die of starvation? answer that before you try and argue with me...

EDIT. so god planned for me to be an athiest and try to educate people that god doesnt exist? why would he do that?

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YymNb-pr-Pc

Watch that video about prayer.

Also, I haven't been around sythe in a while, could someone fill me in on what the big deal is with the avatars like porman's?

 

Check pens thread in the spam forums

 

What sort of cowardly bet-hedging is this? Oh, yes, Pascal's Wager. As dpunk has said, there is no guarantee that mere belief in a God will grant you access to heaven.

There are no miracles that have happened. What have I said about this before? Oh, yes: A miracle violates natural law. Because the body of evidence to support miracles is absolutely overwhelming, you must have what amounts to a full proof that a miracle has occurred.

If you're deciding to rule out a viewpoint right now, then you are not being rational.

If God's planning it all, even your thoughts, then you are not responsible for your actions, and hence, cannot be punished or rewarded by hell or heaven.

 

Rofl No, i agree with the 3rd comment on the post.

 

to sum what i said up basicly do i belive in god yes, have i seen him no i havnt have i seen physical evidence no i belive in teh idea of him adn wtf he ahd to be real if they made jerusalem after him? sorry if i misspelled anything

 

There is a book in Shiaa Reliogion of Islam (It is a section as you know Darren) and they state many things ; Prophecies ; that would mark the coming of a leader. They state that the Men would start being more like Women, there will be unbearable plaques, it has stated MANY MANY more things, (I hardly know those two, I'm not very religious.) and they happen, if god has NOT planned all of this out, how are these "BS's" Coming forth?

Pen asked people to show some kindness and remember the day that guy died, and people posted they wanted to, and he changed their avatars. (sorry I don't remember the name.)

I say that some other religions are BS because one man Named Joseph Smith says he saw "Scriptures" but no one but him can view them, he writes them down, but then is called a fake, and he has nothing to back him up, just a bunch of hick's who travel across the U.S to get to the sold called "Land Of The Brave".. Don't say these things are true when you probably, most definitely have no prior knowledge of Mormons.

No one is fucking calling Atheism bull shit don't call god having signs bull shit.. Have some respect for fuck's sake >_>

 

Haha, you atheists, eh?

 

Yeah I am an atheist because I feal there is no god there is no miracles
there is no jesus christ. I get religion pelted down my throat every day at my catholic highschool. I am curently in conformation which is like a barmitzfa (spellled wrong probably) and I am being confirmed in less than a month. What do I do, should I drop out and tell my parents I do not support Catholicism anymore? I dont know Darby you tell me.

 

God is real because the builders of Jerusalem MUST have been right? That seems to be an illogical argument.

There has always been war, plagues, weak-minded men, etc., and there will always be. Predicting these things isn't a testament to your divining skills. It's a testament for your ability to notice the obvious.

That's not logically impossible, you know. In fact, compared with some of the points of Christianity...

Yes, but be careful. I don't know what sorts of things they will tell you to convert back.

 

If it's so easy for you to make arguments to us.. and so easy to say you are here, how hard can it be? My parents think I am religious, but if you are ABSOLUTELY sure, then sit and have a conversation with them, ask them questions until they can't answer then say this is why I am no longer a catholic.

 

I like how you aviod my questions, why would god plan for me to be an athiest and try and educate people that god doesnt exist?

Are you serious? you think there is only one other religion other then yours? there are hundreds of them, you cant dismiss them all because you dont like one. and if your willing to say other religions are BS, then why not your own? obviously your just some kid who has no idea about your own religion and the constant contradictions the bible is filled with. how about you do your homework, if you want a good read, go to www.godisimaginary.com

I called it bullshit because the person i quoted said athiest was bullshit, and you, are no different. your calling all other religions bs without even knowing about them, astleast iv done my homework, unlike you.

Id bet that alot of god believers would still believe in santa if your parents never said otherwise. because santa is just as believable as god, you say oh they cant be magical flying riendeers, how do you know that? your willing to believe alot more far fetched magical crap that you say god does.

 

I didn't avoid jack.. you'll probably go to hell and take everyone you convinced with you idk.. there has to be believers and non-believers and I like how you don't read.. I have posted this 3 times. THIS WORLD IS A TRIAL --says all the books people believe in ffs >_>

What religion? I never said any religion, I said the 4 main ones is all I believe in, my mom is catholic.. and plus, who are you to talk about other religions when all you know is "Atheism"

unlike me? surprising how someone can be so idiotic.. you quoted me, and I never did say Atheism was bullshit did I? Learn to read.. ffs.. you are a bad reader aren't you? I said Mormon, etc. meaning the religions that have no real book.. Book of Mormon = 80% from the Bible 20% BS.. maybe you should read, or are you not bright enough?

Don't try to use Shredder's argument with this whole "Santa" Non-sense.. think of your own shit, and magical crap? What the fuck are you talking about magical crap? You can't come here flaming and using other peoples topics to back yourself up!

Plaques and Wars is not all it talks about, there are more things. If you can find it, that would be great, because I don't know where.. :S

Yeah it is >_>
I have read many things and saw many videos and if you want the basic story in a great expressive background music watch the South Park episode on it.. it is 98% True (It wasn't from a hat, and the wife didn't hide it, it was lost.)

 

If god is both omniscient and omnipotent and he created me, then it is his fault that I do not believe.

So because a book says something it must be true?

I was raised a Catholic, and went to church every sunday for the first 15 years of my life to indoctrinate me into the bullshit that is religion.

There is just as much proof for Santa as for god.

Take a leaf out of your own book.

 

Isnt there already enough people that dont believe? and why should i go to hell? its not my fault god made me this way. i shouldnt be punished for making me this way.

dude, i know more about religion then you do. I wasnt born athiest, im a catholic. iv just chosen the most logical explanation.

you said all other religions are bullshit... and you think the bible is 100% true? hasnt been altered in the thousands of years its been around? And anyone can write a book. god didnt write the bible, people did, and what would these people know?

You really are a fool arent you? so turning water into wine, creating the universe in 6 days, all these "miracles" dont sound magical too you? You have no idea...
and im not using other peopes topics, and im not flamming, your the one getting all emotional, you sound like you shedded a tear righting this.

 

Guys calm down, i created another planet with life in 6 days also! I have also wrote a book, in which millions of "non - smart" people believe in.

But yes, if you believe in god, then you must believe in unicorns, leprachauns, pixies, fairies, etc.
You have no proof that he does exist.

And until you can touch, feel, taste, smell, or look at him, then he cannot be proven.

 

Many people don't know it but everyone is born an Atheist, it's not until a child has religious beliefs pushed on them with out any evidence to support them that they "think" they're a Theist. The point is that a child doesn't have the ability to even know what a religion is to make a decision, this is how most are "brain-washed", they get you when you don't have any common sense. Just look at that poor J£sse guy, he is completely convinced of his own self-righteousness, despite being proven wrong on several occasions in this very thread.

Don't blame J£sse though, blame his parents. They are the ones who fucked his mind up.