The Existence of God

1st , here we are talking about traditional english , plus i am arabic & have the arabic copy , & It says "Inshuq" Which Could Also Mean Separate ..

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What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?

1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

Answers :

-Badly , It Turned Against You.. As IT Shows the Holy Qur'an Greatness
-> Baby created from sperm , Sperms Becomes A Mere Inside his mom
So Born MAN Created From A Sperm Which becomes A mere So Both Works
-> They Forgot To Ad : "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"(21:30),
So If We Looked Well , First Man Was Created From Mud , Which Is Made Of Clay & Water ... If I said Man Was created from mud , clay(Dust) Or water .. All Are Right!!!
->Yes Man Is Created From Nothing! As Every Thing .. Baby is made from Mere , Mere From sperms ( Of Father) , 1st father is made of mud , mud from water & clay (dust) , clay (dust) & water from molecules , molecules from atoms , atoms from electrons & neutrons & protons , electrons & neutrons & protons From Nothing .... So BOOM!

How Should the Qur'an Contrad. him self then ?? Haha .. it shows greatness of Qur'an Mr. And More Is Coming =]

Conclusion : I Could Say Man Is Made Of Sperms , Mere , Water , Clay(Or Dust) , Mud , Or .. Nothing ,, You & ure Site FAILED A BIG FAIL! THERE IS NO WAY TO SHOW CONTRADICTION BUT THERE IS A WAY TO SHOW HOW THE WORKING ON THIS SITE ARE (SORRY) STUPID!

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-Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
1-"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
2-"And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
3-"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
4-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).


ME:Oh , lol :laugh: , These Stupids Made Me Laugh ... No compulsion in religion ofcourse ! Easily , In any country in the whole world there should be a penalty , AS : If Someone killed another in US will go to prison .. there was no compulsion to follow the law here but there is a penalty for breaking it in (9:3), But In (9:5) ...What is that? .. why have you left (9:4) , It Says :[4] Except those of the Mushrikûn (See V.2:105) with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them for the end of their term. Surely Allâh loves Al-Mattaqûn (the pious - See V.2:2). Mushrikun = pagans , mutakin = good muslims ! now every thing is clear kill any pagans that have breaked the contract between them and muslims which is something logicaly should happen , A Country like US had a peace contract with korea but korea supported iran to attack US .. so simply US would attack korea ! LOL ,
If i came & talked about (9:29) .. Do you know what is jizyah ??? .. it is a tax paid to protect you from other enemies which is considered to be like zakah for muslims with differences About service (as muslims protect them selves) ..

Now .. It is clear that that WEBSITE Gets a Part & leaves another , to make it refer to another things!!! & it is clear now that islam don't force anyody to be a muslim but forces , law breakers which Is War Strategy basics!! (Any One Attack Who Supports his enemy!!)
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-The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?
1-"And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
2-"When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
3-"And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).

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Plus in no.1 .. (ignoring that they added "bow") he meant he is the 1st one to believe in his time !!

In no.2 moses is the 1st one to believe in what ? .. in his time Mr.. ^_^ So hahaha , & btw every prophet is 1st one to believe in his ppl HAHAHAHA

in no.3 Islam means To Worship Allah through the religion which is made for your people & time .. here it does not refer to anything Abraham wanted his sons to be muslims .., but not the 1st one

I am going to continue soon , but it is too late her now ! please give me a chance to write every thing After I Wake Up & i am not a sheikh (like church man , but in islam) so i may make some few things wrong !

 

I am an agnostic as I do not see any proof of god existing, and runescapez I highly doubt whoever wrote the Qur'an meant a few rocks being taken off the moon by astronauts when they said it would split.

 

But could a god create a man?
And what is the definition of a god to you
you can't prove a god existence so stop trying
and i admit i can't prove him not being there
So stop with the bs

 

It's In Qur'an , It was Wrote in seconds In Holy Qur'an ( in an indirect way , which i will say after i sleep ) , I will give you nasa links , Translated Qur'an Links , Then You Will See The Prophecy .. So you should have no doubts!!!


Just lemmy sleep now guyz , i am so tired !

 

Like Man Could Create Games , Robots .. lol !

I will prove that there is a god but when i am awak insha'Allah ....
just lemmy sleep now

 

It is impossible to prove/disprove god.

 

but you say man is created of nothing?
so how can nothing create something?

 

I believe in "God," but not a figure, rather a source of energy.

 

I believe in God due to personal experiences.

 

Could you elaborate, please? Did God save you or a loved one?

 

Not quite. I see things much more vast then anything man could understand. God is my way of answering the unanswerable. There are many experiences that have led to this revelation but I'm not going to name a specific one. I've never spoken to God or anything clinically insane like that though.

Also, I can't believe it ends at the grave. I just can't. It's just the way I think.

 

I could do , by showing you some profecies that no one could know unless he is the god!

So Why the God Is A God ?

ok , I know that theory > who created the electrons , protons , neutrons to form the theory ?
Answer .. A Spirit Which we have to call it a god!

Nick plz read me posts in this thread!

right .. =]

 

Give me a legitimate unbiased source for these PROPHECIES and I'll consider the possibility, if only briefly. Chances are they're extremely easy to debunk if you look at the big picture.

What?

Incorrect. According to modern scientific understanding and law, absolutely NO matter can be created, and absolutely NO matter can be destroyed. The only thing that may happen to matter is change. In other words, you can't create or destroy anything, only change its chemical composition (or according to the Theory of Relativity, convert to energy). For example, in a simple combustion reaction one requires a fuel plus oxygen. The byproducts of this combustion reaction is heat, Carbon Dioxide and water (in most cases). The product of any reaction is equivilent in mass to the original reactants.

This is simple chemistry. An example reaction is as follows:

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CH[SIZE="1"]4[/SIZE] + 2O[SIZE="1"]2[/SIZE] → CO[SIZE="1"]2[/SIZE] + 2H[SIZE="1"]2[/SIZE]O
Methane + Oxygen -> Carbon Dioxide + Water

This is all just an example to help you understand the law of conservation of mass. It doesn't have much to do with God, however it has a LOT to do with your argument. You state that everything must have been created. This is a pure argument ad ignoratum (argument from ignorance, in case you are unfamiliar with debating latin) and your basic logic is thusly: "I don't know therefore God must have done it!" Of course, in accordance to known scientific law and theory, matter cannot be created or destroyed, therefore wouldn't a simpler explanation be that there was no creation in the first place? I base my arguments on the premise that everything that currently exists always has existed in some way or another, and will continue to exist for all eternity. I do not bother to delve in to the origins of the universe because we simply don't know, and most likely (in fact, this is mathematically impossible to know) never will know what the origin is. God is most likely just a fictional character made up to explain these things by people with little understanding of the workings of universe at the time. I will admit that we don't know much about the universe either, but we know a lot more than they did therefore it is a lot better for us to at least theorize about the universe rather than just say "God did it" like every other believer with a damned invalid argument in this thread.

 

Then you are againist nature laws!

Plus , You Are The Last One to talk about logic!

As Energy cannot be created ! how electrons , protons , neutrons made to confirm soap theory ?

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Prophecy in Qur'an :

A very interesting prophecy relates to the moon landing (which occurred in 1969), is it possible The Quran predicted this? Well, judge for yourself by considering the following information – Chapter 54 of The Quran is entitled “The Moon” and starts right away by giving us news about the splitting of the moon as a sign that the end of the world is drawing close.

“The moon has split and the hour has drawn closer” (The Quran, 54:1)

When did the prophecy come to pass?

To answer that, one must keep the prophecy in mind: “The moon has split.” This is a metaphor. Parts of the moon have left its surface. They no longer are part of the moon. So, the prophecy does not refer to the landing on the moon or to the first step made by Neil Armstrong but to the fact that Armstrong and Aldrin collected 21 kilograms of lunar rocks to bring back to earth. The prophecy was fulfilled at the very moment the astronauts left the moon in the lunar module containing 21 kilograms of rocks that had belonged to the moon. This can be confirmed by checking the definition of “split” in any dictionary, among the definitions given by Dictionary.com are – “to divide, disunite, separate”

The date this prophecy came to pass was on July 21 1969. The moment the prophecy was fulfilled is confirmed by the hour of departure of the lunar module, which left the lunar surface at 17:54:1 (Universal Time) or 1:54:1 (EDT) and as you have seen above, verse [54:1] is the verse that deals with the prophecy.

Still not convinced? Lets read the following verses after (54:1) –

“The moon has split and the hour has drawn closer. Then they saw a great miracle; but they turned away and said, “Old magic.” They disbelieved, followed their opinions, and adhered to their old traditions.” (The Quran, from 54:1 to 54:3)

Here, the author of The Quran specifically states – “the moon has split”, then people will see “a great miracle”, yet they still “disbelieved”. Could the “great miracle” be the fulfilment of prophecy?

If you want to check the time of departure yourself, see
NSDCC Master Catalog (Government Site)
Israeli Communications Site
Apollo 11 site


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I am perfectly within natural scientific boundaries. Explain how I am not.

Again, how so?

Looks like even though I dumbed down and explained the science involved, you still couldn't understand. This pretty much puts a shadow of doubt on your entire argument as you haven't even done the research nor have you understood the basic principles that I have presented. What I have provided is common scientific law, accepted by every successful scientist (except for a few raving lunatics with no real argument to begin with, i.e. you) as fact. Every experiment ever performed has abided by these fundamental laws, and I have provided an example of that.

You then go on to provide me with a biased image apparently "proving" a prophecy, and the only legitimate source you provided was the NASA site (which of course, does nothing for your case).

Your socalled prophecies are easy to debunk. Enjoy this little read: http://www.scribd.com/doc/13617289/Miracles-of-the-Quran-Exposed

 

Swan, as much as I enjoy reading the very few intelligent posts on this site, you are seriously wasting your time. These kids are idiots and wouldnt even know what gravity is, and would believe it didnt exist if they read it in a book.

 

Lol definately their is NO God, was just a bunch of madeup ballshit made up by some guy and put into a book they called the bible.

Its like people 2000 years from now beleiving in the 3 pig gods and the evil devil wolf that destroyed their houses.

All a load of crap thats been passed around, and the spreading of the rubbish is easy to pass on as parents can easily tell the bullshit to their children

Only the clever people in life know the truth... god DOESN'T excist

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Not all of them, actually. Darren was able to successfully convert a few.

Are you trying to troll in SFA or just be ignorant?

 

You do realize that the term god isn't limited to organized religion, but probably not since you're a complete dumbass.

Or unless some guy can foresee the future, or if some guy traveled back in time and gave those prophecies. Be more creative dude, there's more possibilities than just god.

 

If you haven't already noticed the ignorance illuminating from your post, allow me to entertain it.

Not all concepts of God are supported by a book. If you're going to speak strictly of one God while speaking generally at the same time, especially coming into a conversation that pertains to the general concept of God, then you don't need to be speaking.

Oh, and also, to be "clever" and state that God simply doesn't exist is a contradiction of itself. Think about it.