The Existence of God

I'm sure some one has answered this but i can't be bothered looking but if their is a god what is he/she/it and were does he/she/it live cause I want to visit one day

 

it lives with santa and the flying spaghetti monster...

you cannot visit imaginary friends.

 

Evolution is not against the beliefs of the Church.

The Bible writers were using phrases of the time that were popular. Saying to the ends of the earth, or something to that extent, is just using a popular phrase of the time. It just means all over the earth. We still use 'sunrise' today even though we know the sun doesn't move.

Creationism would be God creating everything, including the law of conservation of matter.

Genesis was translated from another language to English, and the term 'days' was used in place of the term 'periods of time'. The Bible doesn't say how long those periods were.

From the verses, you are to see the seriousness of sin. God is just saying how serious of sins these are.

 

Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind. But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 11:22-23

 

"All the ends of the Earth have seen the power of God."

Yeah, it's a song I hear in Mass sometimes. My point being, it's a song (most likely taken from Proverbs or Psalms, but it doesn't matter). It's not scientific. The authors of the Bible were not trying to prove anything scientifically or historically.

We have to take in the fact that back then they had very little knowledge about how the world works. Is that their fault? Nope, they just used what they had to work with.

 

And it's also in the Bible...not just a song sung there.
I don't necessarily agree that it's saying the Earth is flat, as it's a fairly common expression.

Well for a divinely inspired book one might think it would be a tad more accurate.

 

You people are annoying as bat shit. I say one thing, and you twist and turn it into making out like im saying something else.

Evolution is a theory yes, but its just as proven as gravity, so correct me if im wrong when i say evolution is fact. its close enough! I dont need to gather heaps of boring information because you are to lazy to find out yourself. research darwins theory of evolution.

And who cares if the bible didn't actually mean to say the world is flat. if you take what it says literally then yes it does. the point is the bible is fucking stupid.

Here it says that the earth doesn't move, and indicating the sun revolves around the earth.

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"

"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"

"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"

"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"


the point is that the bible was written by man, I don't care about "interpretations" and bullshit, the bible says what it says, don't go taking other meanings like "oh but it really meant this".

Also. I would really appreciate people where not so quick to say "no it doesnt" when they havn't even read the bible. for example:

god doesnt want you to kill every person who works on the sabath!!!

oh but wait

Exodus 35:2

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

How much clearer do you want it?

Why would you follow a God that would want you to kill EVERYONE, even nurses, doctors, ambulance drivers, that work on the sabbath? You are going to hell by not killing them anyway. you are disobeying gods orders.

If you believe in the bible, you have to believe in ALL OF IT, not just the bits you like. So when god tells you to kill someone, you either believe that thats what god wants you to do, you you believe that the bible is a load of shit.

 

Inspired to be religiously accurate, not scientifically. God did not write the Bible. The authors of that time wrote it and did not have access to infallible scientific information, simply because of the times they lived in.

 

You cannot take one passage like that and immediately come to the conclusion that "CHRISTIANS BELIEVE WE SHOULD KILL PEOPLE WHO WORK ON THE SABBATH." No. First of all, all of the Laws explained in Leviticus, Exodus, Numbers, etc. are ANCIENT JEWISH LAWS. Christians do not teach those laws. In fact, even MODERN JEWS DO NOT TEACH THEM. There are some laws from those books that still live on today in the Jewish Orthodox religion, though, but nothing as stupid as laws like killing people who work on Saturday.

So why were those books even put in the Bible? Because those books explain the ancient Israelite history. They are the stories of how the Israelites came to be.

You just can't find a passage in the Bible and immediately come to rash conclusions about it.

 

I didnt say christians believe we should kill people, im saying GOD wants us to kill people. You are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions.

Christians claim the bible was written by god? then whatever is said is a DIRRECT message from god. either that, or God didnt write the bible, making it a usefull as dog shit.

You cannot take parts out of the bible and ignore others. Its like if you dropped chocolate in shit, you cant just take it out, its tainted. The fact that the bible isnt perfect, proves it was written by man, man who thought the world was flat.

 

hmm i think dont there is 1.

 

Actually, Christians do not believe God wrote the Bible. we believe God inspired the Bible, which is totally different. The Bible was still written by humans who only had the knowledge available in their time, which was why there are a lot of scientific ideas in the Bible which we know today are not true.

It's not that we're ignoring these parts of the Bible. My entire semester in Theology has been devoted to the first 10-15 books of the Bible, so obviously we're not hiding anything.

 

I do. I was raised by non-religious parents, but I found God myself. I had a few experiences that convinced me that God had to exist, but I would rather not share them as they are quite personal. I do not however follow any specific religion, I rather believe what I think is correct.

 

If I recall, there's also something in the bible that says to protect yourself, and other people before obeying it's laws. AKA those who try to harm your sabbath deserve to be killed.

 

Are you serious? how does it harm it by working? so if you where hurt and an ambulance came and saved your life, you think they still deserve to die because they "harmed" your sabbath?

 

Read my post on the page before this

 

If it was written by people, and people with little to no understanding on how the world works, How could the even begin to explain how the universe was created?

people only believe in the bible as they think its from the words of god. If thats not the case then the bible is no more then a novel, a fairytale, should not be taken seriously

 

Again, God did not write the Bible. People wrote the Bible.

In the case of the creation stories, "fairy tale" is not too bad of a comparison. Hardly any Christians nowadays actually take the creation stories to be literally true. You have to understand that many stories of the Bible were not meant to be scientifically or historically true, but all of them have religious truth to Christians.

The creation stories are an interesting example that I can explain. The decision to include both creation stories in the Bible was made by the Israelites during the Babylonian Exile.Genesis 1 (In the beginning, etc...) was made during the Babylonian Exile. The main reason the Israelites wrote it was to combat the Babylonian Enuma Elish creation myth. So, basically, they made their own story (which was significantly different from the Babylonians'), went to the Babylonians, and said "fuck you, we have a story now." Genesis 2 and 3 (Adam and Eve) was made long before the Babylonian Exile. The reason they included it was because they identified with Adam and Eve. Just as Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden, the Israelites had been banished from the Promised Land.

So what was the point of explaining that? Every book in the Bible is there for oe reason or another. Not all of them are scientifically true, but archaelogical evidence has proven many events in the Bible (Jesus obviously lived, the Babylonian Exile obviously happened, etc.). The ones that aren't scientifically true all have religious truth, which is why they remain in the Bible. When you read a story in the Bible, you have to consider many things: a) when it was written, b) who wrote it, c) what they were trying to say with their story, d) what the writer's culture and beliefs were, etc...

Anything else?

 

true...

So then why do people still believe god created the universe If they know this?

 

No.

Nuff said.