The Existence of God

Well, the world couldn't be created from nothing. Like something or someone would need to do something to make it happen.
Personally I’m surprised by the number of people who do believe there’s some sort of invisible, all-powerful being floating above us. The funny thing is that most Christians are rational, critical folks who know exactly why all other religions are hogwash. They laugh about the silliness of all other belief systems. They find the Norse and Greek myths ludicrous, the Sikhs superstitious pagans, the Hindus just weird and muslims scary fundamentalists, yet they don’t see how their own beliefsystem is just as flawed, ludicrous, superstitious and sometimes even scary when its taken to extremes.
I can’t help being astonished about the number of people that actually believe in any god. With all we know today, how’s that possible?

 

I don't think there is a God, and if it was i think he should take better care of the "place" he created.

 

Thats like asking to show proof he does exist. How can it be done?

 

What do you mean by 'the world'? Are you referring to our solarsystem, our planet, our galaxy, the Universe, all of existence in its entirety? Because scientists have rational explanations for all of them, none those explanations contains something coming from nothing. That's more Creationist-propaganda.

 

Planets are unintelligent objects, yet they move in an intelligent manner. It is rational, I think, to believe that an intelligent being or a god is behind this.

 

How do planets move in an intelligent manner?

 

How do they move in an 'intelligent manner'?

And no; I don't believe in a god. However, if proof was to surface; I'd switch. I'm not sure what you would call this; but I'm content with it.

 

They don't move in an intelligent manner. They orbit in an eclipse, which is caused by the gravitational pull from one another.

 

Three words: Theory of Gravity.

Planets do not move in an "intelligent manner".

 

I'm currently unsure what to believe to be honest

 

I don't think I'll ever beleve in such a rediculous thing.

 

Planets move in a fixed orbit, which according to St. Thomas Aqunias and myself, is an intelligent manner. Why is there gravity?

Science will only take you so far, how do you explain the cloak at Guadalupe? Where the Virgin Mary's Image was imprinted upon a cloak? Science could not explain this? How do you explain this?

 

But at the same time, even though science doesn't explain it NOW doesn't mean that you should attribute it to God.

People saw rain falling from the sky. They had no idea how. And since the "science" of their day couldn't explain it, they probably had somebody similar to YOU saying "Explain that with your science!". Now we can. 2000 years ago we couldn't. Just because it's unexplainable now doesn't mean that God did it. So don't blindly attribute it to God.

 

You use science to explain everything. When science fails once, I believe that all your arguments are as weak as that. Coincidence is it, that the image is of the Virgin Mary?

When science cant explain something like why its/what is rain(ing), thats different. But when, an image of the Virgin Mary cant be explained, I attribute that to God.

 

To be intelligent, doesn't it have to be conscious? The planets are merely responding to an outside influence.

That's like asking why is there the sun, why is there the moon. We just know gravity is something you get with objects that have mass.

I explain it by saying when you are looking for something, you'll find it. Some things simply can't be explained right now. And since this isn't the bronze age, there is no reason to be stupid and think god did it.

You're an idiot.

Why do you attribute it to god? That's simply stupid.
First of all it hardly looks like Mary, and why couldn't it be a coincidence?

 

Welll, since you won't accept scientific logic, then I'll give you religious logic.


Explain this:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3FTO6EjRbe4/Ro_Imnr3fzI/AAAAAAAACGs/SvDzPzV0Hlo/s400/Cantaloupe+Fruit.jpg

Now whatever explanation you use to explain why that fruit says the word "allah" in arabic, imagine you're saying it to yourself, but instead replace the word "allah" with "the virgin mary".

I rest my case.

 

Interestingly enough, the orbits of the planets are not fixed, but have variations too small to perceive with the naked eye.

How would a fixed orbit demonstrate intelligence, anyway?

There are many theories as to why gravity exists - but how does the existence of gravity show that a God exists?

Do you take every reporting of physical manifestations of the divine as legitimate? What about the Arabic word for Allah appearing on the African landscape, or faces of demons in the WTC smoke?

Humans have a tendency to see patterns where there are none. It's natural, but it's not intellectual. Use your mind instead of jumping to conclusions.

All of science is only as good as its weakest link? What sort of rubbish is that? Do you reject modern medicine because Freud's "theories" were shown to be false?

You are seeing patterns where there are none. You are also using the argument from ignorance - "I can't think of any way in which this could have come about naturally, therefore, the Judeo-Christian deity came down and drew on this piece of toast".

 

If god was damn near real, I believe things would be oh so different... no I do not.

 

Lol. We aren't talking about a piece of toast... Both you and that other guy^^, have tried to discredit me by using an example of rain and a piece of toast?!? An image of Mary was found on a cloak and scientists have examined it and have no idea of how it was created. Mind staying on subject? Give me your theory on how it came about?

 

Sigh...

Multiple images appear on multiple objects. Each occurrence is rare, but there are still hundreds of such reports each year. Why don't you accept all of these images as proof of various religions? Why only Mary?

In any case, when did this image appear on this cloak? Do we still have the cloak? How do we know that those who came forward with the image were trustworthy?