The Existence of God

Personally I think it's pretty arrogant of humans to suggest that cells are not conscious - Our ancestors are single celled organisms if we go by the theory of evolution of, and our entire body is made up of cells.

For some reason, the western mentality has isolated humans from the rest of nature, we think we're special - The only intelligent beings on the planet! And for some reason this gives us the right to destroy it and tear it to shreds so we can further our understanding and accelerate our intelligence.

Nature is intelligent. Cells are intelligent. It's pretty obvious if you look at it, Nature is so intelligent that it can create and sustain entire ecosystems that function harmoniously - Our cells are the same way, our body is just one giant eco-system - all of our cells know how to play their parts perfectly to keep us up and running - do you consciously beat your heart? No? Then who does it for you???

Your consciousness is the collective product of their combined consciousness, you are the "King" so to speak of that eco-system and as such you are allowed the conscious ability to make choices so that you can function in THIS eco-system, which is planet earth. The planet is also conscious, and so are the plants - This is why there has been an escalation in natural disasters and climate problems. THE PLANET IS PISSED. Hahaha.

The planets function in their own ecosystem that we call our solar system, and those function in their own ecosystem called galaxies - it goes on and on like this, and it's all conscious!

You have to understand that plants, animals, cells, planets - they all have a different form of consciousness than we do, but that does not mean they are not conscious, it just means they operate from a different perspective.... just the way that people in different countries have different tendencies and languages...

Go and meditate with a tree for a few hours, YOU CAN TALK TO IT! I don't mean a voice in your head, but you can open up a channel of communication and understanding by forming a connection with that tree and being open to the energy it exchanges with you.

NATURE IS ALIVE! LITERALLY.

When you come to understand this, it's hard not to get upset about all the damage we have caused as a species - because when you understand that nature is ALIVE - and not only that - It's our ECOSYSTEM... if our ecosystem is destroyed, we are destroyed too... it's that simple folks.

You need to understand that you are a product of nature, you were designed by nature - you know those eyes? yea i mean the two on your head? The optics inside those are several times more advanced than our top camera technology... Do you realize how complicated you are? You as an organism are the product of billions of years of INTELLIGENT and conscious evolution! Millions and millions of years of genetic memory is stored inside our DNA for us to draw from - do you know how much data is contained within your DNA? Probably more than can be contained in every computer in the world.

Man kind used to have a connection to nature, we used to understand these things as a species - and some cultures that are rooted deep in the amazon and other places still do understand these things... many native americans still understand these things... yet the "Civilized" man has isolated himself so much from nature that he thinks he is the only conscious intelligent species on the planet! To think that all the forces that have come together to produce you as a human here on this planet are unintelligent when we as a species still have no fucking clue how we got here, so much so that we're still having hundred page debates about it... and to claim that those forces that brought us here are unintelligent is absolutely absurd...

But we're destroying our eco-system in our little soul-searching quest of ours that science has taken.... maybe one day we'll find our soul, and I guess we'll do the same thing to it that we did to the Atom - Analyze it and tear it apart until it's destroyed - oh wait! our collective soul is the planet! we're already doing that! Guess everything is ok then!

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Anyway, now that we've got that one out of the way... about the greasy foods, I never ate much of those to begin with, and the acne was actually caused by a heriditary symptom on my end - my dad is 43 and still has it, yet I was able to get rid of it by providing my organism with the foods it was designed to eat and process most effectively...

Do you really think biological evolution has been able to keep up with all the changes we've made to our diet? Granted it's doing a petty good job, I mean we aren't dead yet even though we are obese-cancer infested- walking zombies.


About the script meds - I want you to understand that the symptoms those meds are designed to alleviate are almost exclusively problems our society has created, with the exception of pain.

Do you think wild animals have anxiety attacks? Do you think they get depressed? Do you think they go psychotic? Not unless they have rabies.

I would go as far to say that even tribal societies probably don't have those problems very often as long as western civilizations haven't interfered with them too much.

 

We are a far more advanced species than any animal.

 

No the planet is not "Pissed"

I thought it was called gravity?. But that's just me.

You cant be serious, talking to tree's?

Didn't that just defeat the whole purpose of you being a Jesus believer?

Absolutely correct you provided your body with "Healthy" foods, which have been scientifically proven to help with certain symptoms for certain conditions.

Do you know how many millions, most likely billions of people would've died if it wasn't for "Western Medicines". It has helped the world in so many ways it is remarkable.
I dont know about you but i would rather not have a tooth ripped out without some type of painkiller/anesthetic.

People where i live have a certain name for "your kind of weird" HIPPIE ^_^

 

I love you too man haha.

 

They gave one example... Who says this isnt a miracle?

Untill they do some REAL tests i will believe that devine intervention took place.



Oo Ughster are you a brand of "hippie"?

 

Why is a bird not a miracle? Because we have science to understand why it can fly. The same reason as other people who thought a lot of scientifically explained (in modern times) events were miracles or the work of god, we think these small things we can now see but not full understand are "miracles".

Why should one person get a miracle and not another with the same disability? It's unfair and if god judges based on what that person will do in the future, then there's no point in life, as god see's it all...

 

http://www.google.com/search?q=spon...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

There is no evidence to demonstrate that divine intervention occurred.

That is an irrational viewpoint - why would you believe that divine intervention took place when there is no evidence to demonstrate that it did?

 

Short and simple, no I don't. I'm sorry for my lame excuse but in order to believe it, I have to see it.

 

Its like asking if you believe in a mythical creature (EX: big foot, unicorns, lockness monster) some do, some dont, those who dont, most say it is because there isnt any proof to show they exist, thats the same with god in my opinion, there isnt any proof of his/her existence so why should we believe in a mythical being such as god who is exactly like big foot or the lochness monster

 

I believe in a God and he is good.

Jesus Christ is the shit =P

 

This is the debate forum.

Why do you believe in God?

 

There is absolutely no empirical evidence to say that there isnt a God. Once you find some, you will have something to back your statement up.

Finish this sentence with fact, not opinion.
I dont believe in God because...

 

The burden of proof is upon the one who asserts a positive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

 

Are you really comparing something that a lot of people believe in and respect to bigfoot and the lockness monster... I do not believe in god, however, if I did I would find your statement offensive......

 

I am no where near as talented at debate as you and I will give up. There is no proof that there is a god, and the burden of proof is on me for saying there is one. I can not provide such proof.

However, Pascal's Wager
If there isnt a God, then when I die its all over.
If there is a God, then I live in eternal life.
If there isnt a God, you were right, but you still die.
If there is a God, then you go to eternal damnation.

That is quite a wager. Best case scenario, you are right. But is it worth risking all that just to be right?

 

Yes, it is worth risking it just to be right.

 

Are you that proud? Or just stupid? Think logicly.

 

Pascal's Wager is fundamentally flawed. First off, there's a big difference between being a true believer, and one of those lamers who just says "sure, why not", then proceeds to shut off his or her mind. Most religions requires more than just believing, you also to refrain from premarital sex, lust, masturbation, etc. Basically, you can follow call yourself a Christian in order to save your butt, yet still obtain eternal damnation.

You also assume there's one God. Look through Greek mythology, Nordic mythology, Aztec mythology, Judaism/Islam/Christianity, certain sects of Hinduism, you name it. The number of potential gods almost reaches infinity as virtually anyone can make any number of god's up in their mind - how do you know there's just the one in which Pascal talks about?

 

Wrong. You're asserting the "Christian or Atheist" false dichotomy. What if you're wrong for believing in the wrong God? What if one of the thousands of other religions that preach "eternal suffering for disbelief" that you don't believe in is right when it comes to their religion? Are you willing to forfeit your intellectual honesty to have a 1 in a million chance of being right?

Plus, belief is impossible without some sort of push. Some people see a door closing on it's own to be the work of a ghost, so they believe (that's their anecdotal "evidence"), but ask someone who hasn't had that "push", saying yes would be like saying they like a food that they've never tried before. It's simply not there.

So now you're offending a God, if he exists and has these pitiful human characteristics. First you believe in a God that isn't him, and then you think he's stupid enough to really think you're a believer just because you say you are. I'd say that would be a ticket to Hell.

Also, that begs the question: Why would a God only want faith? Wouldn't a God want the honest truth about yourself rather than a fabricated story made out of fear?

“Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear” - Thomas Jefferson

 

Those examples are fundamentally the same thing. Both are ridiculous fantasies with no evidence. The fact that millions believe something is irrelevent.