The Existence of God

no i don't, simply because this world is too terrible to have such a "great" higher being, people die for no reason, and if you believe in god then, honestly how could you, besides most of theses kids are fucking manipulated by there parents, so no, its just like polotics, your parents vote for mccain you'll go to school, saying mccain is better then obama, and you have no reason to say that simply because you dont know anything about.

 

Which within these 35 years, if a person called Jesus was here, his miracles would of been exadurated.

Maybe he was something more along the lines of;

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vmaGULNRouc&feature=related

Hope you enjoyed the real miracles!

 

im not 100% sure what you mean, not trying to agree nor disagree, or flame, but you say 1st book was written 35 years after jesus died, do you mean of the new testament?

 

as i said b4 i personally dont believe in god, though i feel if your going to state what you did you should read the bible before using dumb explanations such as why innocent people die, because that is answered in the bible, the reasons for that stuff, wether you agree nor disagree you should know what your'e talking about before you use useless examples to back up your statement

Thanks and Regards,

Miranda

 

..i have read the bible, and if your read what i said, i posted why do innocent peopel die......

 

exactly and if you have read it you would know the bibles answer to that, being when adam and eve took the fruit that was forbidden fruit, and there children than had sin in the heart and where not immortal, adam ane eve would have had eternal life and immortality, thats why people even die in the first place, aswell as the bible teaches you that theres a reason for everything wether being death nor something else, obviously you know nothing about the doctorine term in the christian religion "ORIGINAL SIN" (which is a state in which they can not obtain eternal life without the gracious intervention of god) the term prelapsarian also explains it, it refers to the sin free state of humanity prior to the fall of man (before they ate the fruit)



so idk what bible you read but its obviously not the christian bible.

GF?

 

Weren't we forgiven for our ORIGINAL SIN? hence the Jesus dieing and all? doesn't that mean we should be back to the garden of Eden? Why are we still paying for the ORIGINAL SIN, if we have been forgiven for it? Some fucking forgiveness...

Also, Iv Adam and eve didn't have any logic, didn't know right from wrong, Had the knowledge of a peanut, How the fuck did God expect to reason with Adam and eve and to expect them to know right from wrong if they didn't know of it yet?

Why would God even plant a metophorical tree with fruit of knowledge if he didnt want them to eat it? If they had no knowledge, how would they know they shouldnt "eat" it? An all powerfull god would have seen the flaws in his logic. Oh, youl probably say to "test" them, How can you test someone with no sense of right or wrong or up from down? they where basically brain dead people.

 

first of all the tree was of lucifer, second of all it was a temptation as we have in our daily life today, also all i did was quote what is said in the bible because if you read what i post that i originally quoted i was just answering a question and providing a statement based on facts, ask those questions to a preacher, because as ive said im not a christian, they said they read the bible but they didnt know why innocent people die so i provided the answer. also yes we where forgiven for our sin when jesus died for us and the new testament was formed, but dont quote me trying to prove me wrong like you did when you obviously ask questions in your reply because you dont know what your talking about, aswell as why ask me why god does something, did i say im a christian? NO i merely responded to someones ignorance. just like im doing by quoting you with this post.

As I Said I Am Not A Christian, though the best weapon to debating most of the people that claim to be christians is the bible itself, but dont try using the bible as a debate tool to back you up if you are un-educated about the bible itself.

Thanks and Regards,

Miranda

 

also as you say they had no knowledge, lol if you have read it yourself you would know they where smart and god explained what not to do and what to do,

 

Yes, at least 5 times. I never said you where a christian, And being a christian is irrelevant.

Dont assume anything, I could sit here and quote the bible all day if you wanted, tho I dont see the piont as Iv posted in this thread so many times, ever since this damn thread came to existance. So maybe instead of jumping to conclusions, Read the previous 500 posts Iv made.

Lol, you dont get it do you? How could they be smart, het have 0 knowledge? They would have had the innocent mind of a 5 year old. And if god explained to them what to do and what not to do, isnt God then teaching them right from wrong? The very exact thing God DIDNT want them to know?

If I sat down to my dog and explained, When I put food In your dinner bowl, I DO NOT want you to eat it. Do you think It would know what to do?

Edit: Lucifer didnt create the tree of knowledge, Only encouraged them to "eat it". So its still gods fault for making the dam tree. And if lucifer did, then he holds power over god, And so god cannot be omnipotent

 

you obviously couldnt quote it because you have to ask others about it, also being a christian is relevant when you ask me questions that would be merely based on someones faith or there personal interpretation of the bible like im supposed to be a preacher or something, u fail, and who says they had no knowledge? read genesis and it will explain the knowledge they had.

 

why would i have to read your 200 posts, when the only time i mentioned something to you was when i was being quoted by you?

 

If you go by the bible, you were not forgiven for original sin, you have to accept christ as your saviour before you can enter heaven. With the fall of man, no human is born without sin. The only way to cleanse yourself of the sin is to accept Christ's "ransom"; if you do not, you will not be allowed into heaven.

I am not a Christian either, although I support many of the moral views of Christians. However, arguing about it with ignorant replies such as "some fucking forgiveness..." makes atheists look as bad as the christians who stick to ignorant dogma regardless of how science has proven many things in the bible wrong.

Anyway here are my thoughts on believing in god or the bible:

Think about the time period Jesus lived in. They did not have true science, the peasant people were not educated. Now think about this. If someone as clever as David Copperfield was born, and he was able to do tricks that defied a peasant's logic, is it possible he may be elevated to such a level in their minds that he must have otherworldly knowledge? When I was a little kid, I was fascinated by maigcians... people in those times may have been fascinated as well. But then you have rulers who don't appreciate that someone so clever grabs this attention from the common folk...

Then think about the time period when many of the books were put together into the form we now know as the bible. There were powerful christian leaders that chose what books should be added, and what books shouldn't. Some of those books today are now known. Why were those books not added? Why does "man" get to decide what goes into the gospels and what stays out? There were books written about Christ that never made it into the bible. Things that said more about Mary Magdalene and her role in Christ's work.

Also, how am I to beleive a church that calls Mary Magdalene a whore, although the bible never states this, yet they still embody this fabrication to this day? It was a Pope previously that labeled her that, and it has stuck ever since. Another thing they embody but that is not mentioned in the bible is the Trinity. Yes, it may mention god in plural form, but it does not say there is a holy trinity. Yet it is part of christian dogma.

I do believe there is a higher intelligence, however I don't believe the bible. It was written by man, and man is not infallible. Religion has always been very important to many people, enough so that they may even alter events in a "holy" book or even remove events from it, all to get the average person to not question it.

 

What? im not asking anyone about it. Im asking questions for the sole purpose to question your arguement. Christian or not, you are still posting an argument of gods existence and the validity of the bible. If you keep dodging my counter argement by ignoreing my questions, your admitting defeat.

You have admitted that you have no knowledge or opinion on the matter, I suggest you leave.

THE FUCKING BIBLE!! Its the fruits of KNOWLEDGE!!! and when they ate the fruits of KNOWLEDGE, only then they gained KNOWLEDGE!! Are you fucking stupid?

 

I dont know why you guys debate this.. It's not like you are going to make the other person say all of a sudden " yeah, you are right!" .. Pointless debate. Stop now and kill this thread.

 

I want to make a final point on this thread, and that is that this argument is an exercise in futility. People comment on it because they'd like to prove somebody wrong, but it ends up becoming an endless argument where ends are not met and nobody is satisfied.

You're all quoting each other, breaking down everything you say until you're not sure what you're talking about anymore. Why do you think this is the biggest thread on sythe?

Because it's an exercise in futility. I hope at some point you will understand that God can neither be proven nor disproven until we die. If an argument can't be settled in 2,008 years, it can't be settled in a few weeks on an online forum.

Get over yourselves and how right you think you are, but God will never be proven nor negated by any totally empirical evidence. All you have at this point are your impossible to prove opinions.


Goodbye and have fun.

 

I've done that several times before...

 

No matter how many hundreds of people you have convinced, this site and the internet in general is teeming with people who would just love to show you how ignorant they can be if they want to.


Furthermore, what do you have to gain from proving people wrong? especially when they scoff at you when you're completely right?

 

why? What morals do christians have? Christians only care for themselfs and have no true value of life. They approach life as a waiting line to heaven.

I, an athiest, have alot more morals then your typical christian. I do good things for the sake of doing good, not out of fear of pissing off some higher power that will send you to hell. When a christian does something good, they dont think, wow, i just did something good for a complete stranger, that makes me feel good inside. no, they think, that should get me in the good books with god.

To do good for the sake of doing good takes a much better person then for someone to do it for there own selfish reasons.

 

how was i admitting/suggesting gods existance by my posts, i was merely posting in reference to the people claiming to be a christian as i stated in my post. aswell as before posting your questions that can be answered if you read the bible, why not read it before you try using it as a debate tool.