Suggestion - Ban Commisson Sales

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Suggestion - Ban Commisson Sales
  1. Unread #41 - Jul 20, 2022 at 7:14 PM
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    Suggestion - Ban Commisson Sales

    As mentioned previously what's stopping you doing the same?, maybe stop moaning and get with the times and commission me LMAO :p
     
  3. Unread #42 - Jul 20, 2022 at 7:16 PM
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    Suggestion - Ban Commisson Sales

    I explain why in my first post it shouldn't be allowed and I know it does effect you so I understand your salty post. But if they rule it as allowed of course I will do this myself just as they are
     
  5. Unread #43 - Jul 20, 2022 at 7:19 PM
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    I really dont see how it affects me one bit.. so salty most definitely not
     
  7. Unread #44 - Jul 21, 2022 at 4:22 AM
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    Suggestion - Ban Commisson Sales

    I kindly request you to reread what I wrote. I am not against him nor defending him, I don't even know how his server operates. I was merely replying to Pikachu and stating if Titanite was or wasn't allowed to advertise his server.
    No I'm not.

    I don't know where you get that idea from. They have been reported and the reports have been dismissed. The reports were also discussed among staff.

    As Titanite mentioned, this is not the case.

    We could definitely further explain when a server is considered open-trading.

    I do believe the difference lays in the consumer to consumer interaction. Yes, this could be added to the rules. I don't believe it has been an issue before, and as you might know the Sythe rules have been curtailed a while ago in the hope to make everything clearer. The downside is that certain rules could be interpreted in different ways.

    To reply to your Eldo/PA paragraph: on Eldo/PA consumers do actually get in contact with each other. They can talk with each other via a chat system on those sites. This is not the case in Alex and Achilles server.


    Back on topic of commission sales: what's the difference of you listing names for other people and the way Alex/Achilles are doing it?

    If I had a name I wanted you to sell for me, you would put it on your list that you show to people given they have POF. Alex/Achilles automated this process, but are essentially doing the same thing. Are you suggesting it's open-trading just because they dedicated a Discord channel to displaying these names?
     
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  9. Unread #45 - Jul 21, 2022 at 4:42 AM
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    Suggestion - Ban Commisson Sales

    ElDorado/Playerauctions were not banned due to communication and the proof is in the thread here. That is the only difference between PA/ElDorado/alex+achilles' thing and I don't think that makes a massive difference with that and if that truly is the case it should be specified. I don't know how not having communication suddenly qualifies it not to be a trading server. But they were forbidden to post and no communication method etc was even mentioned/discussed here in this thread below where they officially got banned from posting

    Forbid advertising middleman/advertising platforms (Outside middleman sections or completely)

    That is the threads title, no mention of communication and its interesting you are so sure communication was the reason they were banned when it was LONG before you became a moderator and I Highly doubt that was the main reason they were disallowed from advertising here on Sythe. Advertising platforms is essentially what they are doing yes. Do I do the same thing with much much much fewer names, yes, but they are private and for friends only. They advertise them publicly and no POF is needed. I am suggesting its an open trading server based on Sythe Rules and what they say. It's a channel where other people (not workers) are advertising their names and anyone can post them basically publicly so the rules should be altered if sythe is considering what they are doing okay. Nothing crazy

    I just think commission sales should be removed entirely as people will just abuse it and only offer these kinds of services which I do not think is good for Sythe or for the market as a whole
     
  11. Unread #46 - Jul 21, 2022 at 4:45 AM
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    Surely, if Alex’s discord was deemed an open trading server, the 3 reports made by someone’s alt would have reflected that, and Alex/Achilles would have been felt with appropriately when they were reported multiple times?
     
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    Suggestion - Ban Commisson Sales

    Nice argument. So because I wasn't a mod at the time, I couldn't know? Were you a mod at the time? No?

    That's fine.

    Again, I was explaining why Alex/Achilles server wasn't considered open-trading. It's not just one factor. It's not just the communication factor. It plays a role in the big picture, but there are multiple factors that staff currently considers when determining if a server is open-trading or not.
     
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    Just pointing out some obvious inconsistencies man. I understand that but reports should reflect Sythe rules don't you think? Like its against the rules for users to scam on Sythe so therefore they are banned when a report comes up. Report resolutions aren't Sythe Rules and the rules should change now to reflect how those reports were resolved

    Chill out I wasn't trying to insult you. Its just such a random small thing to recall from so long ago and you weren't in the discussions that mods normally have that ruled the way they did then so don't go at me for questioning if that's the real reason it was disallowed.

    I understand that and right now that is clearly a massive grey area and it needs to be clarified as it seems to be all over the place. I am glad you agree that these things need to be clarified I just hope they will be done. I understand how the reports went but that still doesn't exactly clarify what is determined when judging if some server is a trading server or not
     
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    To get back on topic, I agree that if we don't approve this suggestion, we should clarify the rules regarding the matter a bit better.

    I'm currently also not really against or in favor of this suggestion. I think both sides have valid points.
     
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    Seems like same bullshit being discussed back and forward.
    the only points that matters.
    1.Is something being sold?
    2.Is something being middlemanned?
    3.And more importantly are non-staff of the business are allowed to advertise their sales?

    Now answer yourself these questions, and act accordingly to the current rules or change them and stop using your feelings as arguments cuz no one gives a shit.
     
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    Listen just to clarify, it seems as if the Alex / Achilles discord keeps being brought up, As mentioned in the Original Suggestion Post, this is NOT a report against them, I understand what they are doing is allowed based on how the rules are written, We all obviously understand unfortunatly the rules aren't black and white and there is alot of Grey Area, hence why im suggesting its either completely against the rules for EVERYONE, or the rules are rewritten to specify the potential grey areas.
     
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    Suggestion - Ban Commisson Sales

    Support a ban of commission sales for names

    1. The market of name sales is frowned upon, and has generally gotten a bad wrap due to the sketchiness of people (hackers/snipers)
    This imo is just going to add some more salt to the wound if we allow people to Buy/Sell names that are not 100% clean and/or bought from someone and than resold which makes them clean.

    I do not want to personally attack Alex's server but i would like to point out that they were listing a name a banned user because that banned user was using an alt account to list with them. We should NOT give any banned/scamming users any type of ability to sell goods or profiting without having a 100% clean slate

    I do also think having a server where people can advertise THEIR names by interacting with a bot and then that bot making a post to the WHOLE server which is advertised on sythe with a rule that disallows advertising of open trading servers is quite shady as well and should not be allowed.
    There is a big difference with having names of others on your list and people having to make a ticket + post proof of funds to see this list VS interacting with a bot that makes a post to the WHOLE server advertising the name for sale.
     
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    This would completely kill the RSPS market if implemented there, but I'd support it for certain markets.
     
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